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**sonofsiam** · 07-14-2004, 01:36 AM

Re: Do the Kobe critics even know the basics?

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KDRE said:
Question, if we are comparing Kobe to Jordan , why does Kobe need something tailor made to his game.

As you seem to want to imply, the triangle wasn't tailor made for Jordan's game. Yet he used it as a lethal weapon against his opponents.

Why then is was the triangle not good enough for Kobe Bryant? Is Kobe special? Is Kobe better than his Airness?

Jordan, like Shaq, wanted to leave after Jackson left. Apparently, Jordan not only had no problem with adapting his game to the system, he embraced it.

Kobe, no so. Maybe if they had kept Jackson and dumped Shaq, Kobe could have seen the beauty of this "stifling" offense, the same offense that stifled Jordan.

Next please.

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Okay..............because your slowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww........the system and pieces were not built for Kobe. Is that hard to work out. I didn't see the Bulls dump it into their Centre. I didn't see the "role players" built around the post game.

In 3 years, this arguement will be reduntant. The simple facts are, I don't know if it will all work. I don't know if Kobe will ever end up at MJ's level. Larry Brown thinks he can. So does Rudy T. But, facts are, neither of them can be sure.

I never professed it will work out. I merely said "here's his chance". As someone who is not a Laker fan, I won't lose any sleep if it fails miserably. It will be interesting though as a basketball fan.

Of course though, KDRE knows better than us all. Next please, move along son, KDRE is here to tell us what will work or not.In fact, KDRE why on earth aren't you a GM in the NBA. You know more about basketball and players talent levels and personalitities than all of us combined.

I feel so honoured to even share this board with you champion. Your the man

**Slip** · 07-14-2004, 01:36 AM

Re: Do the Kobe critics even know the basics?

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KDRE said:
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Slip said:
But honestly, it goes both way with the comparisons because of it.

Of course you cant say Kobe isnt near Jordan or never will be because of the fact that he is only 25, and Jordan had a GREAT career, so let Kobe's career play out and see what happens.

Then, for this same reason, you cant say he is near Jordan. You really cant debate either side.

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Do you realize what MJ did individually by his 3rd year? Something noone has done since in the L.

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What he did by his third year doesnt matter. Not only because when comparing players who played at different times, you have to look at the whole career, which obviously cant be done yet, but Kobe also didnt get regulary playing time in his first couple seasons, THAT however is beyond the point, just something that came to mind.

Wait 10 years....I know its a long time, but it has to be done.

**Slip** · 07-14-2004, 01:36 AM

Re: Do the Kobe critics even know the basics?

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KDRE said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Slip said:
But honestly, it goes both way with the comparisons because of it.

Of course you cant say Kobe isnt near Jordan or never will be because of the fact that he is only 25, and Jordan had a GREAT career, so let Kobe's career play out and see what happens.

Then, for this same reason, you cant say he is near Jordan. You really cant debate either side.

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Do you realize what MJ did individually by his 3rd year? Something noone has done since in the L.

<hr /></blockquote>

What he did by his third year doesnt matter. Not only because when comparing players who played at different times, you have to look at the whole career, which obviously cant be done yet, but Kobe also didnt get regulary playing time in his first couple seasons, THAT however is beyond the point, just something that came to mind.

Wait 10 years....I know its a long time, but it has to be done.

**Slip** · 07-14-2004, 01:36 AM

Re: Do the Kobe critics even know the basics?

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KDRE said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Slip said:
But honestly, it goes both way with the comparisons because of it.

Of course you cant say Kobe isnt near Jordan or never will be because of the fact that he is only 25, and Jordan had a GREAT career, so let Kobe's career play out and see what happens.

Then, for this same reason, you cant say he is near Jordan. You really cant debate either side.

<hr /></blockquote>

Do you realize what MJ did individually by his 3rd year? Something noone has done since in the L.

<hr /></blockquote>

What he did by his third year doesnt matter. Not only because when comparing players who played at different times, you have to look at the whole career, which obviously cant be done yet, but Kobe also didnt get regulary playing time in his first couple seasons, THAT however is beyond the point, just something that came to mind.

Wait 10 years....I know its a long time, but it has to be done.

**sonofsiam** · 07-14-2004, 01:41 AM

Re: Do the Kobe critics even know the basics?

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Slip said:

Wait 10 years....I know its a long time, but it has to be done.

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You know, that pretty much was the point of this post. As basketball purists, this should be interesting for everyone. That the possible "next" superstar has his own team. Maybe he'll fail? Maybe he does what Coach Brown and Coach T think he can do........go to a whole new level?

Who knows????? Only time will tell.

**sonofsiam** · 07-14-2004, 01:41 AM

Re: Do the Kobe critics even know the basics?

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Slip said:

Wait 10 years....I know its a long time, but it has to be done.

<hr /></blockquote>

You know, that pretty much was the point of this post. As basketball purists, this should be interesting for everyone. That the possible "next" superstar has his own team. Maybe he'll fail? Maybe he does what Coach Brown and Coach T think he can do........go to a whole new level?

Who knows????? Only time will tell.

**sonofsiam** · 07-14-2004, 01:41 AM

Re: Do the Kobe critics even know the basics?

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Slip said:

Wait 10 years....I know its a long time, but it has to be done.

<hr /></blockquote>

You know, that pretty much was the point of this post. As basketball purists, this should be interesting for everyone. That the possible "next" superstar has his own team. Maybe he'll fail? Maybe he does what Coach Brown and Coach T think he can do........go to a whole new level?

Who knows????? Only time will tell.

23 · 07-14-2004, 01:43 AM

Re: Do the Kobe critics even know the basics?

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
sonofsiam said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
KDRE said:
Question, if we are comparing Kobe to Jordan , why does Kobe need something tailor made to his game.

As you seem to want to imply, the triangle wasn't tailor made for Jordan's game. Yet he used it as a lethal weapon against his opponents.

Why then is was the triangle not good enough for Kobe Bryant? Is Kobe special? Is Kobe better than his Airness?

Jordan, like Shaq, wanted to leave after Jackson left. Apparently, Jordan not only had no problem with adapting his game to the system, he embraced it.

Kobe, no so. Maybe if they had kept Jackson and dumped Shaq, Kobe could have seen the beauty of this "stifling" offense, the same offense that stifled Jordan.

Next please.

<hr /></blockquote>

Okay..............because your slowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww........the system and pieces were not built for Kobe. Is that hard to work out. I didn't see the Bulls dump it into their Centre. I didn't see the "role players" built around the post game.

In 3 years, this arguement will be reduntant. The simple facts are, I don't know if it will all work. I don't know if Kobe will ever end up at MJ's level. Larry Brown thinks he can. So does Rudy T. But, facts are, neither of them can be sure.

I never professed it will work out. I merely said "here's his chance". As someone who is not a Laker fan, I won't lose any sleep if it fails miserably. It will be interesting though as a basketball fan.

Of course though, KDRE knows better than us all. Next please, move along son, KDRE is here to tell us what will work or not.In fact, KDRE why on earth aren't you a GM in the NBA. You know more about basketball and players talent levels and personalitities than all of us combined.

I feel so honoured to even share this board with you champion. Your the man

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Oh yes the Bulls did start by dumping it in to their center. You need to watch some tapes, and yes the triangle starts in the post. MJ also played the post quite a bit, which is something you dont see Kobe doing.

The system was built for everyone, not just one player. MJ even called it an equal opportunity offense when he was introduced to it, but he accepted it and flourished under it. Same as Kobe beacame a top league player under it too.

Oh and can you please stop calling my name out getting all personal. If you cant take it dont post. Amazing how I havent called one of you guys names out but you continually call me out like I'm ringin you bells from a post. Get over it man.

23 · 07-14-2004, 01:43 AM

Re: Do the Kobe critics even know the basics?

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
sonofsiam said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
KDRE said:
Question, if we are comparing Kobe to Jordan , why does Kobe need something tailor made to his game.

As you seem to want to imply, the triangle wasn't tailor made for Jordan's game. Yet he used it as a lethal weapon against his opponents.

Why then is was the triangle not good enough for Kobe Bryant? Is Kobe special? Is Kobe better than his Airness?

Jordan, like Shaq, wanted to leave after Jackson left. Apparently, Jordan not only had no problem with adapting his game to the system, he embraced it.

Kobe, no so. Maybe if they had kept Jackson and dumped Shaq, Kobe could have seen the beauty of this "stifling" offense, the same offense that stifled Jordan.

Next please.

<hr /></blockquote>

Okay..............because your slowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww........the system and pieces were not built for Kobe. Is that hard to work out. I didn't see the Bulls dump it into their Centre. I didn't see the "role players" built around the post game.

In 3 years, this arguement will be reduntant. The simple facts are, I don't know if it will all work. I don't know if Kobe will ever end up at MJ's level. Larry Brown thinks he can. So does Rudy T. But, facts are, neither of them can be sure.

I never professed it will work out. I merely said "here's his chance". As someone who is not a Laker fan, I won't lose any sleep if it fails miserably. It will be interesting though as a basketball fan.

Of course though, KDRE knows better than us all. Next please, move along son, KDRE is here to tell us what will work or not.In fact, KDRE why on earth aren't you a GM in the NBA. You know more about basketball and players talent levels and personalitities than all of us combined.

I feel so honoured to even share this board with you champion. Your the man

<hr /></blockquote>

Oh yes the Bulls did start by dumping it in to their center. You need to watch some tapes, and yes the triangle starts in the post. MJ also played the post quite a bit, which is something you dont see Kobe doing.

The system was built for everyone, not just one player. MJ even called it an equal opportunity offense when he was introduced to it, but he accepted it and flourished under it. Same as Kobe beacame a top league player under it too.

Oh and can you please stop calling my name out getting all personal. If you cant take it dont post. Amazing how I havent called one of you guys names out but you continually call me out like I'm ringin you bells from a post. Get over it man.

23 · 07-14-2004, 01:43 AM

Re: Do the Kobe critics even know the basics?

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
sonofsiam said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
KDRE said:
Question, if we are comparing Kobe to Jordan , why does Kobe need something tailor made to his game.

As you seem to want to imply, the triangle wasn't tailor made for Jordan's game. Yet he used it as a lethal weapon against his opponents.

Why then is was the triangle not good enough for Kobe Bryant? Is Kobe special? Is Kobe better than his Airness?

Jordan, like Shaq, wanted to leave after Jackson left. Apparently, Jordan not only had no problem with adapting his game to the system, he embraced it.

Kobe, no so. Maybe if they had kept Jackson and dumped Shaq, Kobe could have seen the beauty of this "stifling" offense, the same offense that stifled Jordan.

Next please.

<hr /></blockquote>

Okay..............because your slowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww........the system and pieces were not built for Kobe. Is that hard to work out. I didn't see the Bulls dump it into their Centre. I didn't see the "role players" built around the post game.

In 3 years, this arguement will be reduntant. The simple facts are, I don't know if it will all work. I don't know if Kobe will ever end up at MJ's level. Larry Brown thinks he can. So does Rudy T. But, facts are, neither of them can be sure.

I never professed it will work out. I merely said "here's his chance". As someone who is not a Laker fan, I won't lose any sleep if it fails miserably. It will be interesting though as a basketball fan.

Of course though, KDRE knows better than us all. Next please, move along son, KDRE is here to tell us what will work or not.In fact, KDRE why on earth aren't you a GM in the NBA. You know more about basketball and players talent levels and personalitities than all of us combined.

I feel so honoured to even share this board with you champion. Your the man

<hr /></blockquote>

Oh yes the Bulls did start by dumping it in to their center. You need to watch some tapes, and yes the triangle starts in the post. MJ also played the post quite a bit, which is something you dont see Kobe doing.

The system was built for everyone, not just one player. MJ even called it an equal opportunity offense when he was introduced to it, but he accepted it and flourished under it. Same as Kobe beacame a top league player under it too.

Oh and can you please stop calling my name out getting all personal. If you cant take it dont post. Amazing how I havent called one of you guys names out but you continually call me out like I'm ringin you bells from a post. Get over it man.

23 · 07-14-2004, 01:44 AM

Re: Do the Kobe critics even know the basics?

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Slip said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
KDRE said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Slip said:
But honestly, it goes both way with the comparisons because of it.

Of course you cant say Kobe isnt near Jordan or never will be because of the fact that he is only 25, and Jordan had a GREAT career, so let Kobe's career play out and see what happens.

Then, for this same reason, you cant say he is near Jordan. You really cant debate either side.

<hr /></blockquote>

Do you realize what MJ did individually by his 3rd year? Something noone has done since in the L.

<hr /></blockquote>

What he did by his third year doesnt matter. Not only because when comparing players who played at different times, you have to look at the whole career, which obviously cant be done yet, but Kobe also didnt get regulary playing time in his first couple seasons, THAT however is beyond the point, just something that came to mind.

Wait 10 years....I know its a long time, but it has to be done.

<hr /></blockquote>

If you feel that way then dont mention MJ in a Kobe post because he aint MJ and he aint the best player since MJ either.

23 · 07-14-2004, 01:44 AM

Re: Do the Kobe critics even know the basics?

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Slip said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
KDRE said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Slip said:
But honestly, it goes both way with the comparisons because of it.

Of course you cant say Kobe isnt near Jordan or never will be because of the fact that he is only 25, and Jordan had a GREAT career, so let Kobe's career play out and see what happens.

Then, for this same reason, you cant say he is near Jordan. You really cant debate either side.

<hr /></blockquote>

Do you realize what MJ did individually by his 3rd year? Something noone has done since in the L.

<hr /></blockquote>

What he did by his third year doesnt matter. Not only because when comparing players who played at different times, you have to look at the whole career, which obviously cant be done yet, but Kobe also didnt get regulary playing time in his first couple seasons, THAT however is beyond the point, just something that came to mind.

Wait 10 years....I know its a long time, but it has to be done.

<hr /></blockquote>

If you feel that way then dont mention MJ in a Kobe post because he aint MJ and he aint the best player since MJ either.

23 · 07-14-2004, 01:44 AM

Re: Do the Kobe critics even know the basics?

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Slip said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
KDRE said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Slip said:
But honestly, it goes both way with the comparisons because of it.

Of course you cant say Kobe isnt near Jordan or never will be because of the fact that he is only 25, and Jordan had a GREAT career, so let Kobe's career play out and see what happens.

Then, for this same reason, you cant say he is near Jordan. You really cant debate either side.

<hr /></blockquote>

Do you realize what MJ did individually by his 3rd year? Something noone has done since in the L.

<hr /></blockquote>

What he did by his third year doesnt matter. Not only because when comparing players who played at different times, you have to look at the whole career, which obviously cant be done yet, but Kobe also didnt get regulary playing time in his first couple seasons, THAT however is beyond the point, just something that came to mind.

Wait 10 years....I know its a long time, but it has to be done.

<hr /></blockquote>

If you feel that way then dont mention MJ in a Kobe post because he aint MJ and he aint the best player since MJ either.

**sonofsiam** · 07-14-2004, 01:52 AM

Re: Do the Kobe critics even know the basics?

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KDRE said:

If you feel that way then dont mention MJ in a Kobe post because he aint MJ and he aint the best player since MJ either.

<hr /></blockquote>

The Man has spoken again

Screw Larry Brown and Coach T's opinions! I am on the phone right this minute, conference call with several GM's coming up. Please tell us more KDRE. This is brilliant. No longer do GM's need to 'risk' long term deals, they just need KDRE to tell us what will happen. This is revolutionary!!

**sonofsiam** · 07-14-2004, 01:52 AM

Re: Do the Kobe critics even know the basics?

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
KDRE said:

If you feel that way then dont mention MJ in a Kobe post because he aint MJ and he aint the best player since MJ either.

<hr /></blockquote>

The Man has spoken again

Screw Larry Brown and Coach T's opinions! I am on the phone right this minute, conference call with several GM's coming up. Please tell us more KDRE. This is brilliant. No longer do GM's need to 'risk' long term deals, they just need KDRE to tell us what will happen. This is revolutionary!!

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