The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

[Cavsfan4life]

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And they would've brought in another max guy last offseason like LA or Deandre or someone else of that ilk.


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Once LeBron signed, would have been more difficult to sign anyone else unless they cleared more cap. Wiggins, Bennett, and I think we had a TPE from the Jack trade. That's why they traded for Love, it would let them go over the cap to resign.

I still do the trade 11 times out of 10, especially with how Wiggins has played these two years.

[The 24th Letter]

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I would too...

I know I'm not about to waste the last few LBJs prime on future plans...if that's the route I wanted to take, I don't bother with LBJ at all...and just take Wiggy

Hindsight is 20/20, but even with the first rag tag year, they made it to the finals. Nobody was counting on the best regular season team in history and what may end up being a new
dynasty being there to steamroll them twice...

It's what it is. I'm certainly not crying for LBJ...but I see it as worth the risk they took...

[King_B_Mack]

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Man I don't know. I mean I guess. It's not hindsight being 20/20 because people were making these arguments when the trade was going down at the time. This ain't second guessing the decision after seeing how it played out.

I don't know if I mortgage your franchise's future for a dude that made it clear he was going to be signing a series of 1+1 contracts with you with the threat of leaving you high and dry with the cupboard bare again based on standards that only he knows. Particularly when one of the biggest issues regarding his first go round with the team was having no accountability for him and allowing him too much control/influence of the franchise.

[redsox4evur]

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Man I don't know. I mean I guess. It's not hindsight being 20/20 because people were making these arguments when the trade was going down at the time. This ain't second guessing the decision after seeing how it played out.



I don't know if I mortgage your franchise's future for a dude that made it clear he was going to be signing a series of 1+1 contracts with you with the threat of leaving you high and dry with the cupboard bare again based on standards that only he knows.

Yea like I said earlier when they lose I wouldn't be surprised to him bolt and go somewhere else whether it be LA, NY, back to South Beach, wherever. Because him being 2-5 in the finals don't help his resume and prolly wants another couple rings. And as has been seen the last 2 years he can't do it in CLE.


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[Vni]

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Vni, what's up with the new avi? What kind of spell are you trying to cast on the C's?

Ain't tryin to curse anybody. There is 30 avatars available to use I will use them. Plus I like the Celtics.

[King_B_Mack]

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And so it starts. That train is never late.

http://sportsworld.nbcsports.com/lebron-james-alone-in-finals-again/?utm_network=facebook&utm_post=5855955&utm_source=FB%20-%20NBC%20Sports&utm_tags=srm%5Bbasketball%5D

LeBron James is the best team in the Eastern Conference. By himself. Grab nine guys hanging around at UCLA, put them together with James and they win the East. He has won six consecutive Eastern Conference titles, which is really an amazing feat.

However, the Western Conference has three or four, maybe even five teams, that LeBron James cannot beat alone. The Warriors are obviously the best of the best. And this NBA Finals is quickly turning into a mockery.

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For comparative purposes, here are the Warriors best players during their last four games:

Game 6 against Oklahoma City: Klay Thompson. Scored 41, including 11 three-pointers, many of them seemingly impossible shots.

Game 7 against Oklahoma City: Stephen Curry. Scored 36 with eight assists, five rebounds, and just three turnovers.

Game 1 against Cleveland: Shaun Livingston (20 points, 8-of-10 shooting) or Andre Iguodala (12 points, seven rebounds, six assists, incredible defense, plus-21 on the day).

Game 2 against Cleveland: Draymond Green. Scored 28, with seven boards, five assists, a steal and just one turnover.

You see where this is going, right? Let’s look at Cleveland’s best player the last four games:

Game 5 against Toronto: LeBron James. Had 23 points, six rebounds, eight assists, dominating floor presence.

Game 6 against Toronto: LeBron James. Had 33 points, 11 rebounds, six assists, unstoppable force.

Game 1 against Golden State: LeBron James. Had near triple-double, 23 points, 12 rebounds, nine assists, a couple of steals and a block. Not good enough.

Game 2 against Golden State: LeBron James. Had 19 points, eight rebounds, nine assists, four steals (also seven turnovers). He played only 34 minutes because the game was out of hand.

[redsox4evur]

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And so it starts. That train is never late.



http://sportsworld.nbcsports.com/leb...Bbasketball%5D

Of course it does...nah if they lose this on Lebron (the GM).


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[NINJAK2]

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Good read imo..

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nelson-cheng/the-cavs-are-losing-not-b_b_10316604.html

[The 24th Letter]

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Well we're speaking on it now, while the Cavs are getting thrashed, suggesting the Wiggins route was the way to go.....I'm aware some didn't like it from the jump though...not like either is a guarantee...I just know as of right now, the move they made gave them two cracks at the title, and possibly more...I won't get into the whole 'Bron GM' thing because I think its overblown, and only comes out in losses
..Thats just my view on it though, it's hard as hell to win a title...I'd personally want my franchise to take that leap.

I've seen these plans for the future amount to nothing, get blown up due to an injury, and treadmill too many times.

[bigeastbumrush]

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Did Wiggins dramatically regress or am I missing something?

Love was being talked about as the best overall PF in the game along with Blake Griffin prior to the trade. IIRC, the Wolves had Love posting up, shooting 3s and he wasn't afraid to rebound.

Trade for him if you want but it was clear in Miami that LeBron has to be the predominant ball handler and table setter for his teams to win.

I think LeBron thinks that he needs these elite players to win it all (probably from his failures in his first stint with the Cavs).

He can't do it on his own for sure. But the type of players he plays with seems to be more important to me than who he plays with (elite or not).

Can't turn career-long ISO players into guys standing in the corners.

[King_B_Mack]

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How does the LeBron GM thing only come out in losses when people talk about it before the losses. People were talking about Wiggins getting booted out of Cleveland before it happened because media savvy LeBron made sure not to mention that ninja in his feel good, welcome home to Cleveland posts and the writing was on the wall what was about to happen to Wiggins. When the Jamison trade happened, people were right there with the blow by blow on LeBron pushing for Jamison over Stat, it didn't take them losing in the playoffs for that to come up.

[The 24th Letter]

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This is what comes up when you Google LeBron James BTW.....

The 'needs help' thing is on the same level as the Steph injury at this point with more people bringing up that it's being said more than its actually being said, lol

How does the LeBron GM thing only come out in losses when people talk about it before the losses. People were talking about Wiggins getting booted out of Cleveland before it happened because media savvy LeBron made sure not to mention that ninja in his feel good, welcome home to Cleveland posts and the writing was on the wall what was about to happen to Wiggins. When the Jamison trade happened, people were right there with the blow by blow on LeBron pushing for Jamison over Stat, it didn't take them losing in the playoffs for that to come up.

Oh it's been said forever.

What I mean is, it isn't like there's people out here saying 'LeBrons did a good job of putting this team together"

It's just something usually said to drive an additional nail in the coffin..

[King_B_Mack]

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No it's not Two Four. But we'll leave this one alone.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I would too...

I know I'm not about to waste the last few LBJs prime on future plans...if that's the route I wanted to take, I don't bother with LBJ at all...and jusy take Wiggy

Hindsight is 20/20, but even with the first rag tag year, they made it to the finals. Nobody was counting on the best regular season team in history and what may end up being a new
dynasty being there to steamroll them twice...

It's what it is. I'm certainly not crying for LBJ...but I see it as worth the risk they took...

Seen this last night and I did see some truth in this:

Spoiler

When we seen this Warriors team in 2013 knock off the #3 seeded Nuggets and then take the Spurs in 6 the next round, we all thought "Hmm ok, they're a nice, lil team on the come up. Def gotta keep an eye on them".

Then 2014 comes and they lose to the Clippers in 7 and fire their coach, we all are thinking "Man, they just flushed all their progress down the drain. They'll be fighting for the last playoff spot in the West or possibly out of it completely".

Fast forward 2 years later and we're looking at a team that 2 wins away from having a strong *** argument of being the greatest team in NBA History. Anybody that says they seen THIS coming, I call bull**** on.

I'm not saying all of this to excuse Bron BTW because he's had plenty of those over the years. I was just adding on to your 2nd point.

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Well we're speaking on it now, while the Cavs are getting thrashed, suggesting the Wiggins route was the way to go.....I'm aware some didn't like it from the jump though...not like either is a guarantee...I just know as of right now, the move they made gave them two cracks at the title, and possibly more...I won't get into the whole 'Bron GM' thing because I think its overblown, and only comes out in losses
..Thats just my view on it though, it's hard as hell to win a title...I'd personally want my franchise to take that leap.

I've seen these plans for the future amount to nothing, get blown up due to an injury, and treadmill too many times.

Im questioning the moves they've made since and why.

Locked up with Thompson because of LeBron.

Looking like either kyrie or love needs to go because they're burgers when hit with competition.

And yeah lebron is in the east but they don't have that much longer then what?

I didnt expect them to beat GS either way. We just basically see what we all said would happen when they stepped away from teams in the easy conference.

The whole 3 pointer thing because they had the Hawks watching them shoot Luke we do on tv.

This fool JR Smith faves a hard tan and gets quiet and pulls ghost. Like what's wrong with that dude

And the whole no help thing...we've been having that discussion all year. Teasing Wiggins getting love having kyrie wad never enough. He always has to have more The coach the enforcer the agent signing everybody and him making them over pay his friends

We've talked about this stuff all year