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  • Vni
    Hall Of Fame
    • Sep 2011
    • 14833

    #1321
    Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

    Originally posted by cima
    I can agree with the notion that no one saw the Warriors coming and they pretty much messed up LeBron's plans of winning more rings. He was 2-3 in the Finals when he came back to Cleveland. Honestly, the way this Cavs team is built can **** with the Spurs, Thunder, Rockets, Clippers, etc. The Warriors just came in and changed everything about basketball as we know it. Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving aren't going to be huge defensive liabilities against a LaMarcus Aldridge and Tony Parker like they are against whoever the Warriors throw out at that spot.

    I haven't wanted to admit it because they took away from the legacy of my man but **** it...they're one of the best teams ever because they're nothing like we've ever seen before. They changed everything, look at how many teams are trying to build small ball now just because one team somehow assembled damn near perfect individual pieces to a complex puzzle.

    I hated them and was in denial but after seeing the Cavs thrashed so badly and it wasn't even by their best two players...I can only appreciate. Can't hate anymore. I respect the hell out of them and what they've been able to do. I'll still say **** them until this series is inevitably over with a Cavs L...but man are they good. They managed to put dents into the legacies of Duncan, Durant, and LeBron among others. And no one saw it coming.
    Spurs, Thunder not sure about the cavs messing with theses teams this year.

    And isn't it overblown that the warriors are somehow revolutionizing basketball ? Spurs have been going small, sharing the ball and taking a ton of threes for a long time. There is something about their roster though. Every pieces fit and contribute it's pretty insane and they happen to have two of the best shooters of all time.
    Last edited by Vni; 06-07-2016, 12:05 AM.

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    • ojandpizza
      Hall Of Fame
      • Apr 2011
      • 29807

      #1322
      Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

      Originally posted by King_B_Mack
      And so it starts. That train is never late.



      http://sportsworld.nbcsports.com/leb...Bbasketball%5D


      Well it's not exactly telling any lies?

      Kyrie/Love are being outplayed by Livingston/Barbosa..

      I mean ****, someone else has to at least show up and play better than 8th 9th men.. Richard Jefferson was arguably their 2nd best player... Richard Jefferson.

      I know you and others hate the "help" thing, but damn it's not really inaccurate to say it isn't there right now.

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      • ProfessaPackMan
        Bamma
        • Mar 2008
        • 63852

        #1323
        Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

        Well, this is the help HE chose so if he and others are disappointed in them, y'all know which direction to point the finger at.
        #RespectTheCulture

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        • Justin7
          Pro
          • Oct 2014
          • 533

          #1324
          Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

          Originally posted by Vni
          Spurs, Thunder not sure about the cavs messing with theses teams this year.

          And isn't it overblown that the warriors are somehow revolutionizing basketball ? Spurs have been going small, sharing the ball and taking a ton of threes for a long time. There is something about their roster though. Every pieces fit and contribute it's pretty insane and they happen to have two of the best shooters of all time.
          I agree that the spurs have been doing this longer than the warriors have besides shooting a lot of 3s atleast it feels like they haven't shot a lot of 3s but I think they are saying they are revolutionizing because they are more "flashy" and "exciting" and how curry jacks up 40ft 3s and looks away when he shoots it, over how the spurs are basic and don't do behind the back passes and alley oops etc.

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          • Vni
            Hall Of Fame
            • Sep 2011
            • 14833

            #1325
            Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

            In 2015 the spurs averaged 26 3PA to GS 30 3PA. A little less but that's still a lot of 3pointers. Well the years before they were only attempting 21 3PA per game so yeah definately less but it was definately what got their offense going.

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            • airjoca
              Pro
              • Sep 2006
              • 643

              #1326
              Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

              Originally posted by ojandpizza
              Well it's not exactly telling any lies?

              Kyrie/Love are being outplayed by Livingston/Barbosa..

              I mean ****, someone else has to at least show up and play better than 8th 9th men.. Richard Jefferson was arguably their 2nd best player... Richard Jefferson.

              I know you and others hate the "help" thing, but damn it's not really inaccurate to say it isn't there right now.
              A truly great player would find a way to make those guys play better, even if he had to punch them à lá Jordan...

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              • R9NALD9
                MVP
                • Nov 2008
                • 1268

                #1327
                Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

                Originally posted by airjoca
                A truly great player would find a way to make those guys play better, even if he had to punch them à lá Jordan...
                Hahaha just wanted to say the same thing. I find the argument funny that Jordan never made his teammates better the way Lebron does...Jordan punched teammates in the face in practice and I've read it so many times that if you were slacking one bit and not giving 150% in practice, Jordan would be all over you.

                I can confidently say if you were to put prime Jordan on this Cavs team instead of Lebron, they would've still lost the Finals but Jordan would've probably averaged 40 PPG.

                So without derailling this into another Jordan vs Lebron thread...it is just the way the cookie crumbles. Lebron thought he was clever moving from one team to the other and now kind of ended up screwing himself. If he was still part of the Heat they would've been a lot better than this Cavs team IMO.

                I do find it interesting how so many players base their game 90% on offense i.e. Kyrie, Harden etc. I wonder how they would've fared in the NBA back in the 90's etc.
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                • Vni
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Sep 2011
                  • 14833

                  #1328
                  Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

                  I really wonder if Lebron could average a lot more points in this series. How does a 31 year old take over a game without a jumpshot against an elite defensive team and an elite defender in Iggy. What happened to his jumper ?

                  Kinda shocking to see him being so limited on offense. He's looking to pass too much.
                  Last edited by Vni; 06-07-2016, 05:48 AM.

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                  • CMH
                    Making you famous
                    • Oct 2002
                    • 26203

                    #1329
                    Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

                    Originally posted by Vni
                    Spurs, Thunder not sure about the cavs messing with theses teams this year.

                    And isn't it overblown that the warriors are somehow revolutionizing basketball ? Spurs have been going small, sharing the ball and taking a ton of threes for a long time. There is something about their roster though. Every pieces fit and contribute it's pretty insane and they happen to have two of the best shooters of all time.
                    I think it's under appreciated because you still have greats undermining their success and fans saying jump shooting teams can't win with the asterisk being everyone was hurt last year. Now this year it was they aren't playing the best teams. Except notice how the chirping died down once they cleared OKC.

                    But I don't think they are revolutionizing the league because of the three. That title would go to Houston and their system, and it hadn't worked.

                    Golden State has ushered in the era of small ball in all facets of the game. It's not just play small, it's also everyone on the team can bring the ball up, the big men can defend against bigger men, everyone runs, everyone shoots (except Bogut but he's been their dinosaur center when you need that player).

                    There was a piece on the Warriors a few years back when they were drafting these players and they talked about wanting to draft length and ball handling together. Livingston wasn't some flyer. That was on purpose. Dropping contracts to sign Iguodola was part of their systematic approach.

                    The only team close is OKC but they only have the defensive side. They lack the all around offensive team though they've tried by having Ibaka do what Green does. It's just that Westbrook is one of the worst outside shooters and their defenders aren't exactly shooters either so they fall short.

                    That's what Golden State is doing. I can see why you got owners saying they are light years ahead. Stupid *** comment but his point is they've been building this team for almost a decade. They knew what they were doing and it has to feel good to see it all come together.

                    Of course, let's not forget it took Curry going next level to see it finally gel right.
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                    • Vni
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Sep 2011
                      • 14833

                      #1330
                      Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

                      Yeah it's remarkable how they built that roster. They are gonna be dominating for a while.

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                      • Hassan Darkside
                        We Here
                        • Sep 2003
                        • 7561

                        #1331
                        Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

                        Originally posted by Vni
                        I really wonder if Lebron could average a lot more points in this series. How does a 31 year old take over a game without a jumpshot against an elite defensive team and an elite defender in Iggy. What happened to his jumper ?

                        Kinda shocking to see him being so limited on offense. He's looking to pass too much.
                        I think he could, but we've seen time after time that that's not his strength or his preferred style of play. He's always been best going downhill and I'm glad that he's not settling for jumpers (at least in the first half of games) but it does seem like he doesn't trust his J. I'll give the Dubs props though because pretty much after the first quarter of game 1, they made his life very difficult in the paint.
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                        • The 24th Letter
                          ERA
                          • Oct 2007
                          • 39373

                          #1332
                          Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

                          Originally posted by Vni
                          I really wonder if Lebron could average a lot more points in this series. How does a 31 year old take over a game without a jumpshot against an elite defensive team and an elite defender in Iggy. What happened to his jumper ?

                          Kinda shocking to see him being so limited on offense. He's looking to pass too much.
                          Same way he did last year, and I believe he may have been shooting even worse then. I don't think him taking over wins them any games against GSW though..
                          Last edited by The 24th Letter; 06-07-2016, 07:15 AM.

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                          • Vni
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Sep 2011
                            • 14833

                            #1333
                            Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

                            Taking games over is what great players do. It's what Lebron has done countless of times. It's part of why he's a great player. Even Miami needed him to take over games. He needs more balance in his offense. I want to see the beast, I haven't see him yet. When JR is a ghost, when Kyrie is a ghost, he needs to drop 40 and be very aggressive. He doesn't attack with the intention to score enough.
                            Last edited by Vni; 06-07-2016, 07:18 AM.

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                            • The 24th Letter
                              ERA
                              • Oct 2007
                              • 39373

                              #1334
                              Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

                              Originally posted by ojandpizza
                              Well it's not exactly telling any lies?

                              Kyrie/Love are being outplayed by Livingston/Barbosa..

                              I mean ****, someone else has to at least show up and play better than 8th 9th men.. Richard Jefferson was arguably their 2nd best player... Richard Jefferson.

                              I know you and others hate the "help" thing, but damn it's not really inaccurate to say it isn't there right now.
                              If the conversation is 'LeBron hasn't been supplied with the help he wants/needs' I'm shaking my head at that like everyone else....the help is there to compete. I picked GSW in 5, but I expected more of a fight from CLE...and better performances.

                              I'm more about putting the owness on the players. Everyone, including Bron needs to play better. But especially Love, Irving who are supposed to carry a big part of the workload.

                              I'm not blaming Masai Ujiri for Derozan and Lowry poor playoff performances because that's who he chose to invest in, I'm looking at them to perform better, because I know they can.. im also not letting Irving, Love off the hook because thats who Bron 'chose' to ride with, I expect them to step up and compete....that's just my view on it though.

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                              • lilteapot
                                MVP
                                • Aug 2013
                                • 4550

                                #1335
                                Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

                                Yeah, if these games were close, I don't think people would be getting on Lebron/Cleveland as much as they have been...but these games are maybe competitive for 5 minutes at best, and then it just goes downhill from there.

                                Lebron needs to take over in Game 3, scoring wise. Open up the defense for everyone else. I don't understand what happened to his jump shot. In 2014, which I think was his best offensive season, he scored at ease and had a reliable 3pt jump shot. Now we are surprised when he makes perimeter shots. It's puzzling.

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