The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

[Smallville102001]

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What its true I don't remember seeing Nash hitting shoots like this all the time like Curry does. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhP69M5swto
Maybe some times but not as often as Curry and not at the FG% like Curry does.

[elprez98]

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Curry is the best shooter of all time and its not even close. Yes Nash was a good shooter but most of his shoots where open shoots he couldn't shoot off the dribble like Curry can and didn't have the same range to. As good of shooter as guys like Rey Allen, Reggie miller where they didn't have range like Curry does and couldn't shoot off the dribble like Curry can they where more catch and shoot. Curry shoots like just as good off the dribble has he like does on a catch and shoot. That is what makes Curry so special not only a great shooter but crazy range and some of the best handles I have ever seen to. You are not suppose to be a great shooter and have amazing handles to its not far. Thompson while not Curry still is one of the better shooters of all time to.

Nash was catch and shoot?

Dude.

This is why I've spent years in the BB forums just lurking, letting 23 and others debate with y'all.

[cima]

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What its true I don't remember seeing Nash hitting shoots like this all the time like Curry does. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhP69M5swto
Maybe some times but not as often as Curry and not at the FG% like Curry does.

So did you mean to say "Nash was a really good shooter off the dribble, not just as good as Curry"? Because that I can agree with more, but to say Nash couldn't shoot off the dribble is just wrong because he's literally one of the best ever at it.

[Smallville102001]

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So did you mean to say "Nash was a really good shooter off the dribble, not just as good as Curry"? Because that I can agree with more, but to say Nash couldn't shoot off the dribble is just wrong because he's literally one of the best ever at it.

Yes I wasn't say that Nash couldn't shoot off the dribble at all but not like Curry can and I do think that a lot more of Nash shoots where on open shoots not off the dribble compared to Curry. So no I wasn't saying he was nothing but a catch and shoot guy or any thing like that. Also some one like Rey Allen another great shooter he could do some stuff off the dribble but again not like Curry can.

[jfsolo]

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Cleveland's athleticism and talent will most often get them a large majority of wins in the regular season and probably through the East in the playoffs each season with the way this roster is currently constructed. You see the flaws in their roster and offensive scheme when they run into a well-coached, athletic team. The lack of creativity and smarts on Offense and their inability to commit to the Defensive schemes for a full 48 minutes are glaringly evident against a team like Golden State.

I just don't know if Cleveland will ever win a title if they don't make some fundamental changes to their Offense by putting their other players in better position to be successful or making roster moves that align better with how the Offense is currently run. They're a very talented team that ends up having its major flaws exposed against better coached/constructed teams.

Great Post. Irving, Smith, and Thompson, IMO, are players who simply don't have the basketball acumen to win a series against a team like GS. They could maybe win a game or two, if they just got super hot and made a ton of contested 3's, but they're over matched schematically and from a bball IQ standpoint.

[cima]

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I don't remember off the top of my head but were people down on Miami like they are on Cleveland when they were down 2-0 to Dallas in 2006?

Nah. As low scoring as their first two games were, they weren't getting blown out like Cleveland is (well after checking the box score, they made a big 4th quarter comeback and still lost by 14). Shaq **** the bed on offense the entire series but Wade/refs made up for it. At 31 years old now, it's become apparent that LeBron can't make up for Irving and/or Love's lack of scoring.

[areobee401]

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Fully agree on GSW holding a steep advantage when it comes to basketball acumen. GSW also have a a bunch of two way players, where are the Cavs mostly consist of one dimensional players.

[ojandpizza]

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Well, this is the help HE chose so if he and others are disappointed in them, y'all know which direction to point the finger at.

Idk I think the whole "he chose" thing is a little overblown to begin with..

But regardless why would you necessarily point a figure anywhere to begin with? Much less point a finger at LeBron if Kyrie is playing horrible?

It's like LeBron is the only player in the league that you aren't allowed to mention if his teammates are playing poorly. If Klay and Dray were being outmatched by Cleveland would we have people upset at the idea that Curry's cast wasn't showing up the way they should?

I mean it's pretty much a given that Kyrie/ Love aren't playing well, aren't playing aggressively, aren't matching GS.. Idk why it bothers people for someone to say that, it's like "looks it's ok to talk about someone playing poorly, just not if that person plays with LeBron" lol.

[inkcil]

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A little off topic but I am a little irritated about all these references to "the Land" being Cleveland.

Growing up in Oakland in the 70s and 80s, Oakland has been the Land (or the Land of Funk) in many facets of culture, including inner city culture, hip hop culture and hoops culture.

Now this year all of a sudden since Le bro's Samsung commercial Cleveland is the Land?

Even saw an article back in January by Cleveland.com talking about how Cavs are the land and GS is the City. Yes the Warriors used to be in SF for a minute, but they in Oakland. 66th Ave Deep East Oakland.

I can see how someone on the East Coast might not know about Oakland, or the Oakland vs. San Francisco rivalry, or how Oakland can't stand the "City" logo all over GS gear, or about the "City (SF) vs. the Land (OAK)" battle going on in the Bay right now over who gets to "keep" the Warriors. But please media, do a little bit of homework. Just a little.

That's my Oakland Warriors rant. G-State. The Land. Ok I'm done. Sorry.

[areobee401]

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Calling Cleveland "The Land" comes off as forced to me.

[The 24th Letter]

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Hey we have the same fight with Cincinnati over who the real Queen City is...

[23]

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Nash was catch and shoot?

Dude.

This is why I've spent years in the BB forums just lurking, letting 23 and others debate with y'all.

Not fair to us man

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Idk I think the whole "he chose" thing is a little overblown to begin with..

But regardless why would you necessarily point a figure anywhere to begin with? Much less point a finger at LeBron if Kyrie is playing horrible?

It's like LeBron is the only player in the league that you aren't allowed to mention if his teammates are playing poorly. If Klay and Dray were being outmatched by Cleveland would we have people upset at the idea that Curry's cast wasn't showing up the way they should?

I mean it's pretty much a given that Kyrie/ Love aren't playing well, aren't playing aggressively, aren't matching GS.. Idk why it bothers people for someone to say that, it's like "looks it's ok to talk about someone playing poorly, just not if that person plays with LeBron" lol.

Huh?

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[Vni]

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What its true I don't remember seeing Nash hitting shoots like this all the time like Curry does. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhP69M5swto
Maybe some times but not as often as Curry and not at the FG% like Curry does.

Nash even in his last year with the lakers as a 40 years old when he was healthy could fade, drift, stepback, he could still turn the corner and hit any of theses shots.

[cima]

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Hey we have the same fight with Cincinnati over who the real Queen City is...

I don't even know what city you're talking about, so it's clearly Cincinnati