2018-19 Transaction Thread

[lilteapot]

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Kadeem Allen is a keeper. He'll be a nice backup to Kyrie.

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[TMagic]

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You really already forget how well McGee, who has bad asthma, was playing before he got pneumonia? I’m developing a strong dislike for Zubac just based on how overrated he’s become.


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You buggin my guy. Any Laker fan can see that Mcgee was the worst of our centers. We looked much better on both sides of the ball sans McGee.

McGee got the benefit of getting lot of helpers from LeBron and Rondo on offense. But would constantly make bad decisions or head-scratching plays as he has been known to do over the years. And then anytime he got the ball anywhere near the rim, the possession was effectively over as he was going to find a way to get up a shot instead of moving the ball to find a better look.

On defense, we can't just look at the boxscore. Did he get some blocks? Yea. But that's not a good thing if for every one of those blocks you are giving up 3 or 4 layups. He has the tendency of seemingly letting players drive to the rim in an attempt to get a block, instead of making it difficult for the player to get to the rim at all. And since he's playing for blocks, he gives up dump off passes and offensive rebounds. So overall we are worse defensively with this lack of discipline when he is on the floor.

Zubac was definitely better than McGee is. That's not even up for debate.

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[cima]

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You buggin my guy. Any Laker fan can see that Mcgee was the worst of our centers. We looked much better on both sides of the ball sans McGee.

McGee got the benefit of getting lot of helpers from LeBron and Rondo on offense. But would constantly make bad decisions or head-scratching plays as he has been known to do over the years. And then anytime he got the ball anywhere near the rim, the possession was effectively over as he was going to find a way to get up a shot instead of moving the ball to find a better look.

On defense, we can't just look at the boxscore. Did he get some blocks? Yea. But that's not a good thing if for every one of those blocks you are giving up 3 or 4 layups. He has the tendency of seemingly letting players drive to the rim in an attempt to get a block, instead of making it difficult for the player to get to the rim at all. And since he's playing for blocks, he gives up dump off passes and offensive rebounds. So overall we are worse defensively with this lack of discipline when he is on the floor.

Zubac was definitely better than McGee is. That's not even up for debate.

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How are you gonna say it's not even up for debate when it clearly is? McGee is better than Zubac dude, this guy is quickly become one of the most overrated players in Lakers history.

McGee statistically beats Zubac in pretty much all standard stats and advanced stats if you wanna go that route too.

And you say him getting the ball near the rim like it's a bad thing; dude shoots 62% of his shots from 0-3 feet and hits 75% of them!

McGee is more athletic, finishes better around the rim, and provides more value on defense. Zubac might end up better someday cause he's only 21 but McGee is going to be more valuable to the Lakers right now.

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Dell Demps gone because Davis got hurt last night

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[jeebs9]

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Dell Demps gone because Davis for hurt last night

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hahaha I love the way you put that.

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CuZ

Auto correct bro

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[TMagic]

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How are you gonna say it's not even up for debate when it clearly is? McGee is better than Zubac dude, this guy is quickly become one of the most overrated players in Lakers history.

McGee statistically beats Zubac in pretty much all standard stats and advanced stats if you wanna go that route too.

And you say him getting the ball near the rim like it's a bad thing; dude shoots 62% of his shots from 0-3 feet and hits 75% of them!

McGee is more athletic, finishes better around the rim, and provides more value on defense. Zubac might end up better someday cause he's only 21 but McGee is going to be more valuable to the Lakers right now.

Overrated how? Because people say Zubac is a solid player? Because I'm saying he's better than Javele McGee? That's being overrated now? Ok lol

Id like to see these stats your talking about. Usually you are quick to reference them. But from what I've seen, that's not a true statement at all.

I hope that he is taking and shooting a high percentage from 0-3 feet. That's fine. As I mentioned, those are mostly from being set up to score by other players. Obviously I wouldn't want him passing up those gimme buckets. If you weren't so quick to defend yourself and McGee you would know those aren't the opportunities im referring to. I'm talking about plays where he is getting the ball and looking to create a shot for himself. It's like Luke has given him the green light and he is overrating his own ability on offense.

McGee is more athletic. That's about it. He's the classic example of a player relying on his athleticism on the court. So it helps him get a few extra rebounds and block a few more shots (not always a good thing as I mentioned before).

In the beginning of the year, we were absolute *** on defense with him as our only center. Now part of that was because he was our only center. Having LeBron rotate in at the position was terrible. But the other part of that was that he was our only center too. Lol. He made us better defensively, but only compared to us not having a traditional center in the game at all. Everybody was putting up an abhorrent amount of points on us every game and we were losing. It wasn't until we got Tyson Chandler that we improved defensively and started winning some games. McGee was our worst center.

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[cima]

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Overrated how? Because people say Zubac is a solid player? Because I'm saying he's better than Javele McGee? That's being overrated now? Ok lol

Id like to see these stats your talking about. Usually you are quick to reference them. But from what I've seen, that's not a true statement at all.

I hope that he is taking and shooting a high percentage from 0-3 feet. That's fine. As I mentioned, those are mostly from being set up to score by other players. Obviously I wouldn't want him passing up those gimme buckets. If you weren't so quick to defend yourself and McGee you would know those aren't the opportunities im referring to. I'm talking about plays where he is getting the ball and looking to create a shot for himself. It's like Luke has given him the green light and he is overrating his own ability on offense.

McGee is more athletic. That's about it. He's the classic example of a player relying on his athleticism on the court. So it helps him get a few extra rebounds and block a few more shots (not always a good thing as I mentioned before).

In the beginning of the year, we were absolute *** on defense with him as our only center. Now part of that was because he was our only center. Having LeBron rotate in at the position was terrible. But the other part of that was that he was our only center too. Lol. He made us better defensively, but only compared to us not having a traditional center in the game at all. Everybody was putting up an abhorrent amount of points on us every game and we were losing. It wasn't until we got Tyson Chandler that we improved defensively and started winning some games. McGee was our worst center.

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Zubac is hugely overrated by Lakers fans, just go visit r/Lakers or anywhere Lakers fans lurk...it's incredible. You'd think the Lakers traded away Pau Gasol (Lakers version, not current) the way some people talk about him.

This dude had a good 3-game stretch and then another good 5-game stretch and all of a sudden he's the future center of the team?

I know Luke Walton is a moron with his rotations but if Zubac was gonna solve the problems they had at center, why wasn't he playing Zubac before Chandler was acquired? Did Tyson Chandler's presence all of a sudden really make the difference for Zubac to "get it"? Idk that seems like a stretch to me.

[ojandpizza]

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From what I watched JaVale was a better defender in almost all ways, even if he did play for the block and miss at times. His ability to switch the screens is more valuable than anything either Tyson or Zubac did on that end, he just stayed with Kyrie even a few plays the other night. On LeBron in last years finals. I will say, I do think Zubac was a better post defender, and maybe not a better rebounder in terms of rebound numbers, but better at keeping his man from getting the rebound. Which can be equally as important as we've seen with teams that have guys like Brook Lopez and Marc Gasol, or even Steven Adams.

Offensively JaVale is a better rim runner. Which when you do have Bron, Lonzo, Rondo can provide equal value to someone who is technically a better scorer all around. Zubac had more offensive talent for sure, but JaVale paired with those others is more in line with a Deandre Jordan, Clint Capela, type of offensive production. Not that he does it as well as either of them, but that play-style has it's own value as well.

Either direction they went there adding Tyson was huge. Having Kuz/Bron split backup center roles only worked on certain match-ups and wasn't sustainable against most teams. I never understood why they didn't play Zubac before they got Tyson, I even asked that here to the Lakers guys a few times early in the season, I think that was a case of Luke/Magic/whoever had a vision to play small and it didn't work.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Any other Transactions going on?

[TMagic]

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Zubac is hugely overrated by Lakers fans, just go visit r/Lakers or anywhere Lakers fans lurk...it's incredible. You'd think the Lakers traded away Pau Gasol (Lakers version, not current) the way some people talk about him.

This dude had a good 3-game stretch and then another good 5-game stretch and all of a sudden he's the future center of the team?

I know Luke Walton is a moron with his rotations but if Zubac was gonna solve the problems they had at center, why wasn't he playing Zubac before Chandler was acquired? Did Tyson Chandler's presence all of a sudden really make the difference for Zubac to "get it"? Idk that seems like a stretch to me.

I don't know why basketball reference has different info. But I'm pretty sure you're including the games he's played in Phoenix

In games with Zubac had with just the Lakers...

ORating is better (104/103)
DRating is better (102/107)
NetRating is better (+2/-4)...Javele was basically worst on the team
And defensive win shares were in Zubacs favor as well. Zubac was 2nd to only Tyson Chandler. McGee was 8th

FG%, 3pm, 3pt% all down for the opposition with Zubac on the floor vs McGee.

NBA.com if you want to look yourself.

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Any other Transactions going on?

We still waiting on Melo

[bigeastbumrush]

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I don't have a dog in the fight but pulling up stats to support who is a better player than the next guy is short-sighted.

It's an analytics wet dream, but that's about it.

[cima]

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I don't have a dog in the fight but pulling up stats to support who is a better player than the next guy is short-sighted.

It's an analytics wet dream, but that's about it.

Yeah well my eyes tell me McGee is better but then TMagic is gonna say his eyes tell him Zubac is better and we're gonna be right back where we started lol

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Stats without any type of context or nuance to them are always going to be useless.