2018-19 Transaction Thread

[The 24th Letter]

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If either of the reported deals are non-starters, this trade ain't getting done....might as well wait and see what else pops off at the deadline....

[Vni]

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This reads to me as Lakers still trying to be “cheap” and not just give up whatever.

Spare me the caping and spin jobs, please.

Why would you give up whatever because the pels ask for it ? If the lakers don't want to give the entire core, 4 first round picks and also take a bad contract back that's being cheap ? I think the asking price is ridiculous.

Lakers would also only have around 30mil minus the probable stretched bad contract (hill). So that's around 25m to build a team around LBJ and Davis.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Why would you give up whatever because the pels ask for it ? If the lakers don't want to give the entire core, 4 first round picks and also take a bad contract back that's being cheap ? I think the asking price is ridiculous.

Lakers would also only have around 30mil minus the probable stretched bad contract (hill). So that's around 25m to build a team around LBJ and Davis.

Supply and Demand, my friend.

If they’re trying to strong arm NO into giving them Davis, then NO is right to ask for whatever price it wants. Not to mention, they’ll receive better offers in the offseason.

Otherwise, they can wait til next year or try their shot at Kawhi in the offseason.

[Junior Moe]

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If the Pelicans can land Ingram, Ball, Kuz, and whatever else as players, and a pick or two I actually think they win here.

Kuz is already a good player. Ingram and Ball I think can be borderline allstars. Plus they could get some cap relief. That's a good haul and they'd field a competent team.

They arent winning anything with Davis on the team, anyway. They may as well retool on the fly with proven players instead of going into rebuild. A full rebuild is extra risky considering the state of the franchise and with talk already of it leaving. Take the players and picks, get some salary cap relief, and keep it pushing.

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[ojandpizza]

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If the Pelicans can land Ingram, Ball, Kuz, and whatever else as players, and a pick or two I actually think they win here.

Kuz is already a good player. Ingram and Ball I think can be borderline allstars. Plus they could get some cap relief. That's a good haul and they'd field a competent team.

They arent winning anything with Davis on the team, anyway. They may as well retool on the fly with proven players instead of going into rebuild. A full rebuild is extra risky considering the state of the franchise and with talk already of it leaving. Take the players and picks, get some salary cap relief, and keep it pushing.

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They absolutely win the trade. Not even just winning in the long term I think their team is better if they aren’t in a position to start Payton/Frazier, or Hill/Moore anymore as well. Any rumors with Ball/Ingram/Kuz/Zubac likely nets the 4 new starters, 3 at the least. And the Lakers absolutely shouldn’t do it.


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[Junior Moe]

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They absolutely win the trade. Not even just winning in the long term I think their team is better if they aren’t in a position to start Payton/Frazier, or Hill/Moore anymore as well. Any rumors with Ball/Ingram/Kuz/Zubac likely nets the 4 new starters, 3 at the least. And the Lakers absolutely shouldn’t do it.


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Exactly! The Pels get at least 3 legit starters and the flexibility to add a nice FA or two. You take that. I'd understand if the Lakers were only offering one of the three. Then I'd wait for Boston. But the lottery bet never works out. I think I'd take Kuz over Jalen Brown right now. Add in Ball and Ingram... easy bet. I dont think Tatum is really on the table. The Lakers are in an odd spot too. People talk about the Pelicans being bullied, but LA has some tough decisions as well. LeBron puts the pressure on. And how much of your future do you mortgage for now? I know LeBron is all world but he's gonna be 35 this year, I think. That GS core is in their late 20s. What's the plan for when he inevitably declines.

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[Smallville102001]

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Why would you give up whatever because the pels ask for it ? If the lakers don't want to give the entire core, 4 first round picks and also take a bad contract back that's being cheap ? I think the asking price is ridiculous.

Lakers would also only have around 30mil minus the probable stretched bad contract (hill). So that's around 25m to build a team around LBJ and Davis.

Yeah how any body can defend the Pelicans saying they are not being completely unrealistic with what they want and how any one can say the lakers wouldn't be giving up to much is beyond me.

[ojandpizza]

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I mean the Pelicans are being unrealistic in what all they are asking for, but at the same time why shouldn't they be? They don't have to trade him now, and don't have to send him to the Lakers if they really don't want to. But that also doesn't mean the Lakers have to give in and trade a package that's worth two max guys instead of one either lol.

I don't think a deal happens, I think it goes to July and the Pelicans don't get anything close to this type of deal for him. But I also don't think the Lakers make a trade like this in July either. I think they would move their interests on someone like Kawhi, Klay, Middleton again and keep the young guys or move some of them for another.

Like I mentioned before, I'm not sure how the Lakers even makes this trade come July, especially with Hill's contract included. All these expiring contracts will be gone. And while the Lakers will have cap room on July 1st what if it takes the Pelicans 2-3 weeks to field offers for Davis? Does that mean the Lakers just have to sit there and not sign anyone else because it would lose them the cap space to make the trade? That's not happening. I'm not sure how bird rights work in a situation like this, the Lakers will have Davis's bird rights in a trade, but salaries still have to match for a trade to work now so I'm assuming they couldn't fill that cap space and still make a trade after. And can't take the same approach now where they sign some 1 year guys and then immediately trade either.

[The 24th Letter]

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FWIW, Dell Demps in weird spot.

Pelicans likely to “clean house” in April. So Benson/Loomis only doing AD/Lakers deal if haul for NOLA is mind blowing. They want new GM set up for success. LA doesn’t blow them away, they’ll be patient, new GM will “own the AD trade” this summer.

Fletcher Mackel (Pels reporter)

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Too lazy to quote everyone/don't want to make my post massive but...

I think Demps and Co. are playing this the right way. The Lakers offer isn't going away if they wait until the offseason to trade him. They know they have a baseline now of Ingram, Lonzo, Kuzma, matching salary, and picks for Davis; there's no reason for them NOT to push for more to see if the Lakers actually give in because they can probably always come back to this same offer in the offseason or get something better by waiting.

I also think the Lakers prospects in general are overrated. Kuzma is basically a spot-up guy right now that doesn't defend or rebound and has struggled with his jumper all season. He's already 23 years old and in terms of being an impactful player, he doesn't look all that different from fellow 23 year old Jabari Parker right now. He can score on moderate efficiency (though Jabari has been more of a shot-creator versus Kuzma being more of a spot-up guy), but he doesn't really bring anything else to the table. The Lakers are statistically better when he's on the bench.

Lonzo has obviously struggled with his shot since the moment he was drafted. He does basically everything else well, but in my opinion, I don't think he can really be trusted to be your lead ball-handler right now.

Ingram, to me, is the most valuable of the three. He's shown flashes of great scoring potential and is more capable of creating his own looks than Kuzma right now. He's also far ahead of Kuzma as a defender.

None of these three guys show the All-NBA potential that New Orleans reportedly covets in my opinion. I'm not even sure any of them are ideal starters right now; the Lakers are statistically better when each of them are on the bench and the holes in their games right now are severe enough that they aren't bringing much value to a team right now (Kuzma's defense and current struggles shooting, Ingram's 3 point shot, Lonzo's all-around shooting). The Lakers' picks aren't likely to be very valuable.

To me, this is essentially a poo poo platter offer tinted in forum blue and gold, not much different than the deal from a long time ago that brought Carmelo to New York. Maybe one or two or all of these guys break through and become studs, but at the moment, I wouldn't feel comfortable counting on any of them to become impactful starters.

I think the Knicks and Celtics can pretty easily beat any Lakers offer if the Pelicans wait until the offseason and depending on if teams not on Davis' list are interested, I think some other teams out there (i.e. Denver, Portland, maybe Toronto) can make better offers than the Lakers too.

[cima]

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NOLA should just come out and say "hey, we don't want to do a deal with LA". That's essentially what they're saying without blatantly saying it.

[Junior Moe]

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The Pelicans are undoubtedly asking for too much. They have to be careful to not overplay it. But I think the trade will still happen but more along the lines of Ball, Kuz, Ingram and two firsts. Not sure about Hill as his contract, even if they stretch him (along with money owed Deng), could hurt them some in FA. We'll see, though.

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[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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On a side note, I don't really get why the Pelicans are concerned about moving Solomon Hill's contract. It only goes for one more year, it's not a back-breaking contract like Ryan Anderson for example, and the Pelicans are looking at a multi-year rebuild anyways so Hill's contract shouldn't matter to them at all. The only thing trading it can do for them is diminish their return for Davis.

[jeremym480]

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In theory yes, if a trade were to happen the first day. If it drags out with multiple offers from multiple teams the Lakers would have to sit around and not sign anyone or make any moves while they wait on a trade to go through. Because if they were to sign more players they couldn’t immediately include them in the trade and would no longer have the cap to take on Davis for those tiny contracts.. unless I mistaken in how that works.. maybe it wouldn’t matter with his bird rights coming over.


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Sucks for the Lakers, I guess, but doesn't effect the Pelicans.

Not to mention, teams get held up waiting on "big fish" every offseason and that would be no different.

The Pelicans can't just shutdown AD for the rest of the season, the NBA would be all over them considering the warning the Bulls were giving for sitting Robin Lopez and Justin Holiday.

I think the rule says teams can't sit healthy players on National TV games unless there are "unusual circumstances". I think a Top Player requesting a trade would fall under an unusual circumstance. I mean, if AD goes out an Boogie's his knee playing a meaningless game in front of a crowd that's booing him unmercifully, then that's not a good look for anybody. Both teams that would be involved in the trade, the NBA/TV with loss of ratings, less clicks for webs sites.

That's why this will fall under the "there's rules for stars and rules for everyone else" saying. If anything, they will milk this finger injury for the rest of the season.

Fletcher Mackel (Pels reporter)

Dell Demps may be in a weird spot but isn't making a franchise altering decisions on his way out the door. People might as well just start saying "Pelicans management", at this point. Dell ain't nothing but a beard.

[ojandpizza]

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Sucks for the Lakers, I guess, but doesn't effect the Pelicans.

Not to mention, teams get held up waiting on "big fish" every offseason and that would be no different.
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Well yeah, but that's not my point. My point is "this offer will still be there for them" likely isn't true.