2019 Offseason Thread

[TMagic]

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I'm still waiting on someone's explanation about why Kidd is a bad coach as I honestly don't know

[ojandpizza]

2019 Offseason Thread

I don’t get the hype that would come from anyone calling him a great coach, but I also don’t quite get the people who act like he was completely awful either. He underachieved that last year with the Bucks, but he still has a winning record in 4 of his 5 seasons.. far worse has been made out to be better than the consensus around Kidd seems to be.

To me he more so just seems like he’s nothing special, but players seem to like him.


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[lilteapot]

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I think Vogel is a good hire. Lakers need a great defense more than a good offense and hes the coach for that. If they are bent on getting out and running then they need to get a lot more stops, be physical and create disarray which is what Vogel teams do. It's the best they can do without many offensive options.

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[jeebs9]

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I always thought Kidd, like Lue, would be best served as an assistant because players seems to respond well to him but he might be lacking in a few things you want from a head coach..

As far as the other stuff goes with Kidd, I guess time will tell.


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Agree... Time will tell here

I'm still waiting on someone's explanation about why Kidd is a bad coach as I honestly don't know

Maybe it's the water cup thing? I don't know lol

Hey kidding by the way

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[BleacherBum2310]

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Vogel is fine but it's more ehh. Then add Kidd to the mix yikes.

[TMagic]

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Vogel is fine but it's more ehh. Then add Kidd to the mix yikes.

For Christ sakes...

WHY [emoji23]

[ProfessaPackMan]

2019 Offseason Thread

I'm still waiting on someone's explanation about why Kidd is a bad coach as I honestly don't know

Disregarding his NBA career, which was legendary in its own right, what have you seen from him in Brooklyn and Milwaukee that makes you believe that he can coach? If you can’t answer than in 3 mins or less, then that should tell you something.

For me, he’s not professional(see Sodagate and then trying to pull his power play in BK by telling Ownership, “Give me more power or else I’m quitting”. To me, that reflects poorly on you and sends the wrong message to people(not the players because unlike Kidd, their power plays will work depending on who they are).

Then it’s also the fact that he had more talented teams in Milwaukee compared to his time in Brooklyn and yet as a Coach, he looked like he hadn’t improved at all.

Doesn’t develop young talent or play them much unless forced to do so from Management. And as we’ve seen in the NBA, you won’t last long as a Coach if you neglect developing players.

Xs and Os, he still leaves a lot to be desired but luckily for LA, this won’t matter.

Maybe as an Assistant he’ll be fine but knowing how he operates, I’ll be shocked if he doesn’t make his power play for the HC job in a year. And he won’t need Lebron’s help for that either.

[SPTO]

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I think Vogel is a solid coach but I just don't see this working out. I said on Twitter and i'll put it on record here but J. Kidd will be the head coach Feb. 20th. I hope i'm wrong because if Vogel is ousted it continues the narrative that LeBron is running the show and damn the consequences.

[jeebs9]

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Disregarding his NBA career, which was legendary in its own right, what have you seen from him in Brooklyn and Milwaukee that makes you believe that he can coach? If you can’t answer than in 3 mins or less, then that should tell you something.

For me, he’s not professional(see Sodagate and then trying to pull his power play in BK by telling Ownership, “Give me more power or else I’m quitting”. To me, that reflects poorly on you and sends the wrong message to people(not the players because unlike Kidd, their power plays will work depending on who they are).

Then it’s also the fact that he had more talented teams in Milwaukee compared to his time in Brooklyn and yet as a Coach, he looked like he hadn’t improved at all.

Doesn’t develop young talent or play them much unless forced to do so from Management. And as we’ve seen in the NBA, you won’t last long as a Coach if you neglect developing players.

Xs and Os, he still leaves a lot to be desired but luckily for LA, this won’t matter.

Maybe as an Assistant he’ll be fine but knowing how he operates, I’ll be shocked if he doesn’t make his power play for the HC job in a year. And he won’t need Lebron’s help for that either.

I like this. Definitely the part development. I give him credit for putting Giannt at the point guard spot. But besides that. I don't know.

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Woj:

Frank Vogel has agreed to a deal to become the next head coach of the Los Angeles Lakers


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Vogel's Team Offensive rank from 2010-2018

Offense
10-11: 23rd*
11-12: 8th
12-13: 19th
13-14: 21st
14-15: 23rd
15-16: 25th
16-17: 28th
17-18: 25th

[jfsolo]

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I am now a NBA basketball Ronin, a man without a team.

[ojandpizza]

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Vogel's Team Offensive rank from 2010-2018

Offense
10-11: 23rd*
11-12: 8th
12-13: 19th
13-14: 21st
14-15: 23rd
15-16: 25th
16-17: 28th
17-18: 25th

While Frank Vogel hasn’t really displayed any sort of dominant offensive abilities, I would say those rankings are a tad bit misleading. Some of those teams had top 5 ranked defenses, which generally means the pace will slow some and their opponents scoring would be low, thus their own scoring in most cases would also be low.

Plus that group includes a year without Paul George (leg injury) where George Hill led them in scoring, and the next year his comeback year which guys like Lavoy Allen and Ian Mahinmi were starting for them.. and then of course the Orlando teams that instead of getting players to help them with their scoring they were drafting guys like Elfrid Payton, Aaron Gordon, and signing Ibaka and Biyombo, and T-Ross not really panning out to be the scorer they thought he could be as well.

Not to say there wasn’t other coaches who could have gotten more scoring out of those groups, but a lot of those teams didn’t really have the potential to offer any sort of top half of the league scoring potential regardless.


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[ojandpizza]

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Not to mention that one season he had a top 10 ranked offense was also the only season he had a healthy Granger and PG starting as well. Might not be totally unreasonable to think he could possibly do that again with two solid scoring wings again. Considering PG was only a Sophomore this Bron/Ingram duo would already be a notch above those two offensively.


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[23]

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Fam

Ramona on Phil involved " Accurate, if you look at where they ended up it mirrors the Knicks coaching search. What Rambis & Phil learned from the Knicks was the destructive nature of what oversize superstardom could do to your team. They had Melo who had a NTC, LeBron doesn't."

Remember all those jokes yall were making about the Lakers being the Knicks?

Well Phil and Rambis are making moves here based off of their time with the Knicks.

Also not sure how well this will fare for LeBron either.

You can't make this up

[Master Live 013]

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All I remember from Kidd's coaching career is the soda incident, a general sourness and burning bridges-es from him and him making the change to insert Shaun Livingston to the starting lineup that propelled his team to a series victory.