2019 Offseason Thread

23 · 07-10-2019, 12:00 PM

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Kawhi is taking significantly less money regardless if years than reported. Are the clippers still roster building?

Wonder Harrell was trolling last night or not, but Kawhi happens to sign after his post

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**ProfessaPackMan** · 07-10-2019, 12:02 PM

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NY needs to worry about getting their **** straight before trying to plot on other team’s star players, especially 2 years in advance.

**CMH** · 07-10-2019, 12:07 PM

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Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan

NY needs to worry about getting their **** straight before trying to plot on other team’s star players, especially 2 years in advance.

Man, you just posted an SI article about the Nets doing exactly that!

**DieHardYankee26** · 07-10-2019, 12:08 PM

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Ah ****, here we go again.

**ehh** · 07-10-2019, 12:11 PM

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Man, that Kawhi news cannot make Clippers fans happy. Sure, he'll probably stay long term, but no one knows or can guarantee a thing in today's NBA. With the haul they gave up in picks that franchise will have no hope for years if Kawhi bounces in two years.

23 · 07-10-2019, 12:35 PM

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Originally posted by ehh

Man, that Kawhi news cannot make Clippers fans happy. Sure, he'll probably stay long term, but no one knows or can guarantee a thing in today's NBA. With the haul they gave up in picks that franchise will have no hope for years if Kawhi bounces in two years.

What if he doesn't?

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**King_B_Mack** · 07-10-2019, 12:42 PM

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Originally posted by CMH

Kawhi doesn't care about the supermax is what I'm getting at. He cares about winning and he's putting the onus on the Clippers to also care while he's wearing a uniform.

See this I really can’t get behind. Some of these players are getting ridiculous with this and the impatience they have is borderline pathetic.

What more onus can you put on the Clippers? They already had a solid playoff team, with a good head coach and stable front office. They went and traded for the guy he personally hand picked to play with while continuing to bring back key guys to the already solid core they had. It’s hard to build good teams in this league, it’s even harder to do it in the western conference and it’s even more difficult when star players wanna play these 1+1 or 2+1 I’m gonna hold your feet to the fire games because nobody wants to go to situations that these players can just walk away from. It’s part of what happened to LeBron the first time in Cleveland nobody wants to sign up for going to a team looking to play with LeBron or Kawhi or Kevin Durant or whoever only for them to bolt in a year leaving them holding the bag on a team they went to specifically to play with that person.

I’ve never been a pro-team guy over the players, but there has to be some accountability to some of these guys as well and stop just blaming a team as “not getting (blank) enough help.” Or “they didn’t do enough to keep him.” Or they did nothing while he was there.” I mean, other teams are trying to win too and sometimes it just doesn’t happen instantly.

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**ojandpizza** · 07-10-2019, 12:43 PM

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Originally posted by 23

Kawhi is taking significantly less money regardless if years than reported. Are the clippers still roster building?

Wonder Harrell was trolling last night or not, but Kawhi happens to sign after his post

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I think it’s just less years. He’s still getting paid the 32.whatever max per year.

Clippers are well over the cap, not far from the luxury tax.

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23 · 07-10-2019, 12:46 PM

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Originally posted by King_B_Mack

See this I really can’t get behind. Some of these players are getting ridiculous with this and the impatience they have is borderline pathetic.

What more onus can you put on the Clippers? They already had a solid playoff team, with a good head coach and stable front office. They went and traded for the guy he personally hand picked to play with while continuing to bring back key guys to the already solid core they had. It’s hard to build good teams in this league, it’s even harder to do it in the western conference and it’s even more difficult when star players wanna play these 1+1 or 2+1 I’m gonna hold your feet to the fire games because nobody wants to go to situations that these players can just walk away from. It’s part of what happened to LeBron the first time in Cleveland nobody wants to sign up for going to a team looking to play with LeBron or Kawhi or Kevin Durant or whoever only for them to bolt in a year leaving them holding the bag on a team they went to specifically to play with that person.

I’ve never been a pro-team guy over the players, but there has to be some accountability to some of these guys as well and stop just blaming a team as “not getting (blank) enough help.” Or “they didn’t do enough to keep him.” Or they did nothing while he was there.” I mean, other teams are trying to win too and sometimes it just doesn’t happen instantly.

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The CBA says less money or more years/security. Melo Knicks anybody?

We might have seen the NBA in its glory years but this ain't that league anymore.

Situations change too quickly. The Ws went from a 3 peat contender to losing an MVP like that in a 3 year span and capped out

Then you have teams that pull a Boston Isaiah Thomas, but we don't wanna talk about that right?

Smart teams win. Jerry West ain't a dummy

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**DieHardYankee26** · 07-10-2019, 01:09 PM

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What went down with the Blake trade? I keep seeing people bring that up as a loyalty issue, I pretty much missed it. Is the difference between him and IT that they had paid him already?

**Smallville102001** · 07-10-2019, 01:19 PM

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Originally posted by CMH

Kawhi can't take the supermax unless he opts into that third year.

This is a great example of how these players do NOT care about more money. We care about $50mm or whatever because it's ****ing $50mm. But when you already make $160mm, why should an extra $50mm persuade me when I should be good for life with what I already got? It's not going to make these dudes billionaires. It's just extra money to put in the bank and still be a millionaire.

Kawhi doesn't care about the supermax is what I'm getting at. He cares about winning and he's putting the onus on the Clippers to also care while he's wearing a uniform.

I disagree when you say players dont care about money has there have been players who have stayed with a team that is not that good for more money instead of going to some were else were they have a better chance to win but would make less money. But it depends on the person and the whole like max thing is kind of silly because for example say a player can make 200 in 5 years with staying with his team, and say he can only get 4 years and 130 million with another team yeah its 70 million less total but its not really because after those 4 years are over hey are going to get some kind of contract making it not really 70 million less.

**Smallville102001** · 07-10-2019, 01:24 PM

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Originally posted by georgiafan

If Kawhi Leonard took a 35% supermax from SAS, he would’ve made $222M over next 5 years.

He’s now set himself up to opt out in 2021 and get his 35% max from LAC. If he does, he’d make $209M over same 5 years (a $13M discount), but lock in an extra year paying him $54M at age 33.

per @AlbertNahmad (cap guy on twitter)

Man 54 and at age 33 crazy stuff. I just remember how much less players were making just like 10 years ago. I remember when top paying guys were like 20 million lol.

Originally posted by bigeastbumrush

https://twitter.com/chrisbhaynes/sta...156157440?s=21

Brooklyn Nets’ four-year, $164 million pact with Kevin Durant is actually a 3+1 that contains a player option, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

So really like 2+1 has he will be out all next year most likely. So I mean if he does leave it will be only like 2 years of playing.

**ProfessaPackMan** · 07-10-2019, 01:29 PM

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Originally posted by CMH

Man, you just posted an SI article about the Nets doing exactly that!

https://youtu.be/gXK6C2rPm1E

Man that was old stuff

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**TheEndIsNear4All** · 07-10-2019, 01:31 PM

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Analyzing odds for Russell Westbrook suitors

Analyzing odds for Russell Westbrook suitors

https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1796427

The trade sending Paul George from the Oklahoma City Thunder to the Los Angeles Clippers turned the league's attention to Russell Westbrook almost immediately.A Westbrook trade to completely overhaul the Thunder's roster and officially start a rebuild was mostly hypothetical among NBA fans - until Oklahoma City brass began exploring a potential exit with the star point guard.Here, we explore the current odds for teams to land the eight-time All-Star and former MVP, as well as which clubs make the most sense as potential trade partners. Team Odds Heat 4-6 Knicks 3-1 Pistons 5-1 Thunder 5-1 Bulls 12-1 Rockets 12-1 Timberwolves 14-1 HeatThis one initially made all the sense in the world, even before reports of some mutual interest between the two parties. The Heat landing Westbrook to pair alongside Jimmy Butler would give the NBA another star duo, though the team would be taking on a hefty contract to do so. After originally opening 4-1, Miami is now the odds-on favorite. And though you'd have to pay 4-6, there's no denying the Heat deserve to be where they are.KnicksNew York is a team starving for marketability and game-breaking talent. Westbrook fills both needs. The Knicks were the front-runners before the Heat overtook them in the odds, and they figure to have a tougher time putting together a package to secure Westbrook. In an ideal world, they'd dangle multiple free agents they recently signed, but they couldn't part with said players until December due to the Association's collective bargaining agreement. The Thunder aren't going to wait that long, and who knows if the Knicks' offer without those pieces would be attractive enough for Oklahoma City.PistonsThis is a sneaky-good trade destination when you consider all the factors. The Pistons could pair Westbrook with Blake Griffin and the Thunder would likely pile up one, if not multiple first-round picks in return. Detroit was one of our favorite suitors when we mapped out potential trade partners last weekend.ThunderThis wouldn't have been a bad bet a couple of days ago, but both the front office and Westbrook's camp seem hell-bent on a move. The franchise would be doing the guard a disservice by keeping him on the roster as it goes in a different direction.BullsWe find it hard to believe the Bulls can get a deal done without surrendering Lauri Markkanen and Wendell Carter Jr. Without both of those players, Oklahoma City probably finds a sweeter haul elsewhere. Westbrook would be a tremendous get for a stagnant franchise like Chicago, but the timing just doesn't feel right.RocketsThis one's a long shot, according to ESPN's Tim MacMahon. The Rockets would have to go through a couple of steps even before acquiring Westbrook, including finding a trade partner to get Chris Paul and his money off the books. The Rockets are in win-now mode, so it's not surprising to see them on the list; they're typically linked in props like these simply based on their position within the NBA. But they're a long shot for a reason, and there's not enough there to convince us Westbrook is a fit in Houston.TimberwolvesSome teams don't have a case for trading for Westbrook. Haley O'Shaughnessy of The Ringer, however, made a pretty damn good one for the Timberwolves, suggesting either Andrew Wiggins or Robert Covington as the headliner going back to Oklahoma City along with coveted draft picks. Minnesota was already featured on the odds board prior to that article, so there was already some buzz. It all boils down to whether the Thunder want to take on Wiggins' contract in return, and if the T-Wolves truly want to say "screw it" and go all-in. Though it would be oddly fascinating to watch Westbrook team up with Karl-Anthony Towns, this feels mostly like a pipe dream for Minnesota fans.Alex Kolodziej is theScore's betting writer. He's a graduate of Eastern Illinois who has been involved in the sports betting industry for 11 years. He can quote every line from "Rounders" and appreciates franchises that regularly wear alternate jerseys. Find him on Twitter @AlexKoIodziej.

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23 · 07-10-2019, 01:41 PM

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Originally posted by DieHardYankee26

What went down with the Blake trade? I keep seeing people bring that up as a loyalty issue, I pretty much missed it. Is the difference between him and IT that they had paid him already?

Recruited him as the franchise player. Elaborate recruiting, made a huge deal out of it.

Signed him then traded him for Tobias and Boban and picks......end of LobCity

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