2019 Offseason Thread

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

The days of guys remaining with one team for their entire career are pretty much dead, with a few exceptions.

I think the days of guys signing 4 year deals and either side remaining committed to it are nearing its end as well, hence the influx of 1+1, 2,3+1 deals being signed in the last 4 years.

[DieHardYankee26]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

Recruited him as the franchise player. Elaborate recruiting, made a huge deal out of it.

Signed him then traded him for Tobias and Boban and picks......end of LobCity

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You were right in saying situations change quickly, just this past year is crazy. Raptors from never gonna make it to made it and lost what got them there after trading their franchise guy, Clippers from pretender with years of jokes to possible favorites getting rid of everyone they came up with, Nets from worst attendance in the league to maybe cracking the top 20. This league is something else.

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Its literally a different league.

Even Westbrook for all his loyalty is about to be traded lol.

DeRozan wanted to stay in Toronto, nope.

If a team doesnt want to pay you, they'll James Harden you like OKC did.

Every situation is different.

[cima]

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See I don't know why y'all dismissed me saying there might be a lockout. The state of the league is somewhat of a mess with the tampering, players demanding trades. Silver even said it's an issue that needs to be addressed.

The problem is I don't think there can be a set of rules that would make both players and owners happy. The Clippers just spent a whole damn year tampering Kawhi. Can't fine a guy like Steve Ballmer expecting it to hurt him. Can't take his draft picks, they're all gone.

What if you limited max contracts to 1 or 2 per team? Well then players would just sign for like $1,000 less than the max...technically within the rules, right?

What if bird-rights were lost if a player was traded? Like say Paul George, who the LAC just traded for, was in the last year of his contract but since he got traded, LAC can't go over the cap to re-sign him. That might make the team trading for him maybe not trade for the player. But then if the player still demanded out, they might just start sitting games or something if they didn't have a trade suitor.

I don't know...I just don't feel like there's a win/win but I do know that between what AD and PG13 did, something needs to change. As for PG13, kind of hard to feel any sympathy for a dude like him that has forced his way out of two different franchises now. Contracts should mean something on BOTH sides.


The MLB does a lot of things right and a lot of things wrong...one thing I like? Pretty sure FA starts the day after the World Series ends.

[DieHardYankee26]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

Starts right after the WS and no one gets signed until 2-3 months later while we argue about whether or not there is going to be a strike down the road. It's terrible.

That parade would've been fun to watch if Kawhi had already signed with the Clippers though.

[BluFu]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

I understand not necessarily wanting Westbrook.. but you mean to tell me Toronto lost out on Kawhi, Paul George, Westbrook, because they didn’t want to move Siakam.. what in the actual **** is wrong with them?...

It’s not like you’re trading Siakam for Westbrook.. you’re also getting Paul George and Kawhi..

That move probably wins them a second championship. And even if Kawhi signed a 1+1 and bolted after winning a second ring you still have Paul George and Westbrook under contract. If they want out fine, look at the haul Paul George just got from the Clippers.. that’s a much better haul than just keeping Siakam..

They really thought that one through.. of all the things Masai has done right, this wasn’t one of them IMO.


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Do you really think that was on the table? After the risky moves Masai has made you don't think he'd be willing to give up Siakam in order to get back 3 allstars/2 MVP candidates?

For starters, the salaries wouldn't work. Siakam's still on his rookie deal so you would have to include a bunch of other players to get the dollars matched up in a potential trade. (Plus however many picks OKC would ask for.)

Secondly there wasn't 100% commitment on Kawhi's part. There's a reason the Clippers went all in for a trade for Paul George: they got full assurance from KL that he would sign there if they landed him (let me emphasize: PG13 isn't demanding that kind of haul if it's not essentially a package deal for Kawhi). Raptors never got that assurance so there's no way they could match the Clippers' aggressiveness in getting a deal done.

So you're talking about gutting a roster you just won a championship with by giving up future assets and cap flexibility for a chance to appease a player who hasn't given you any indications he wants to return.

It was a great decision by Masai to stand pat. You got what you needed from the Kawhi trade, which was a championship. Him re-signing would have been gravy but ultimately that was out of management's hands.

[cima]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

Starts right after the WS and no one gets signed until 2-3 months later while we argue about whether or not there is going to be a strike down the road. It's terrible.

That parade would've been fun to watch if Kawhi had already signed with the Clippers though.

Ah gotcha. Well I personally think FA should come before the draft in the NBA, like NFL does it. But if they want to make a minor change, just let teams start recruiting the day after the season ends. At least that way all the "tampering" goes away. Then let them sign starting July 1st

[CMH]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

Nets from worst attendance in the league to maybe cracking the top 20. This league is something else.

Yooooo...I laughed but then I remembered who I root for.

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It was a great decision by Masai to stand pat. You got what you needed from the Kawhi trade, which was a championship. Him re-signing would have been gravy but ultimately that was out of management's hands.

They did get what they needed plus some.

So the Raptors fans talking about Kawhi leveraged the team needs to be quiet.

[The 24th Letter]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

Team Dennis probably did use leverage tactics, they have before...I don't know why we would think they're above it...it's their job as his agents..

[23]

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I didn't know Dennis was a GM.

What are we talking about here now?

Its funny to hear the Raptors and Lakers were waiting in suspense but the Knicks said Naw


...but yall can roll with that, if that's what we're going with now.

What i do know is that all of these reports have been more inaccurate than the Titanic captain.

[The Chef]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

See I don't know why y'all dismissed me saying there might be a lockout. The state of the league is somewhat of a mess with the tampering, players demanding trades. Silver even said it's an issue that needs to be addressed.

The problem is I don't think there can be a set of rules that would make both players and owners happy. The Clippers just spent a whole damn year tampering Kawhi. Can't fine a guy like Steve Ballmer expecting it to hurt him. Can't take his draft picks, they're all gone.

What if you limited max contracts to 1 or 2 per team? Well then players would just sign for like $1,000 less than the max...technically within the rules, right?

What if bird-rights were lost if a player was traded? Like say Paul George, who the LAC just traded for, was in the last year of his contract but since he got traded, LAC can't go over the cap to re-sign him. That might make the team trading for him maybe not trade for the player. But then if the player still demanded out, they might just start sitting games or something if they didn't have a trade suitor.

I don't know...I just don't feel like there's a win/win but I do know that between what AD and PG13 did, something needs to change. As for PG13, kind of hard to feel any sympathy for a dude like him that has forced his way out of two different franchises now. Contracts should mean something on BOTH sides.


The MLB does a lot of things right and a lot of things wrong...one thing I like? Pretty sure FA starts the day after the World Series ends.

How did the Clippers spend the entire year "tampering Kawhi" exactly? When the Lakers were the supposed favorites to sign him I didn't see you mentioning this then, now suddenly he signs with the Clippers and they were "tampering him" all year?

[The 24th Letter]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

I didn't know Dennis was a GM.

What are we talking about here now?

Its funny to hear the Raptors and Lakers were waiting in suspense but the Knicks said Naw


...but yall can roll with that, if that's what we're going with now.

What i do know is that all of these reports have been more inaccurate than the Titanic captain.

We're on board that these other camps are fully capable of using tactics to influence teams based the needs of their client, but not Kawhis? Why? because of his quiet persona? Lol

[BluFu]

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They did get what they needed plus some.

So the Raptors fans talking about Kawhi leveraged the team needs to be quiet.

Well that isn't wrong either.. He did leverage the team with the PG13 trade talks but that isn't a crime. At the end of the day it's business

[Fresh Tendrils]

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How did the Clippers spend the entire year "tampering Kawhi" exactly? When the Lakers were the supposed favorites to sign him I didn't see you mentioning this then, now suddenly he signs with the Clippers and they were "tampering him" all year?

He ate crow and then flipped the switch on Kawhi. Its been a fun off season so far.