2019 Offseason Thread

[Majingir]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

So Lakers are fine just gutting every other valuable piece they have to get a guy who would've joined them in 13 months anyways?

[ojandpizza]

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So Lakers are fine just gutting every other valuable piece they have to get a guy who would've joined them in 13 months anyways?

Trading BI+Lonzo this year with Davis under his current contract, LeBron under his, Kuz only making 1 mil, Hart only making 1 mil, that all gives them a lot of cap room to play with this off-season. Probably a little over 30 mil if they renounce rights to KCP and Muscala.

[3304Life]

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Cavs have hired Lindsay Gottlieb as an assistant after eight years with the California Golden Bears.

[Majingir]

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Trading BI+Lonzo this year with Davis under his current contract, LeBron under his, Kuz only making 1 mil, Hart only making 1 mil, that all gives them a lot of cap room to play with this off-season. Probably a little over 30 mil if they renounce rights to KCP and Muscala.

If they dont re-sign anyone and deal Ball, maybe Ingram too, that'd be one thing. But also dealing the 4 pick? Last time I checked, even the salary that guy will be making isnt gonna stop LA from doing any kind of move.

[ojandpizza]

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If they dont re-sign anyone and deal Ball, maybe Ingram too, that'd be one thing. But also dealing the 4 pick? Last time I checked, even the salary that guy will be making isnt gonna stop LA from doing any kind of move.

Over 7 mil for the 4th pick, Ball+Ingram+4th pick is around 24 mil while Davis is at about 27.. Meaning that by adding Davis now for those 3 they are only taking on about 3 million more than they would of had by staying put.

Losing the 4th pick would suck, but in doing so if they keep Kuz+Hart they are keeping two players who would likely outplay whoever they were to get at 4 this year for about a million each. And they'll have roughly the same cap flexibility for the rest of free agency that they have right now by making no trades.

[ojandpizza]

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Another wrinkle in this... Boston isn't even allowed to make a trade until July 1st.. Technically something could be agreed upon in principal, but all reports have said the Pels want a deal in place by before the draft.

[BleacherBum2310]

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it looks like they are trying super duper hard to keep Kumza and all I have is 1 question to ask... Like why?

[ojandpizza]

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it looks like they are trying super duper hard to keep Kumza and all I have is 1 question to ask... Like why?

He can score, and he's only costing them 1.6 mil.. There aren't many 20 a night capable guys who are on basically minimum deals in the league. He's under contract for the duration of the LeBron contract and the last year will still only be costing them a bit over 3 mil.

Plus I think Kuz's shooting is something that is coming around. I think his struggles are highly over hyped. He had multiple games last season where he took double digit 3s and hit over 40%, 16 games where he took 5+ and shot over 40%.. He was just really inconsistent over the season. He blamed it on changing his shooting form numerous times trying to find a comfort zone, and he's spent this off-season training with lethal shooter..

His struggles on defense are not overblown by any stretch, but he's largely underrated by the "Lakers young guys aren't that good" for what he can do on offense. For example, only 36 players in the entire league last season averaged at least 20 per 36 with FG%>45 last season. Of those 36 players only Devin Booker, Bagley, John Collins, and Sabonis were younger than Kuzma.

Over these two seasons even with his struggles he's a 34% from outside guy.. Which isn't too far off from Tatum at 40, Doncic at 33, Mitchell a 35, etc.

[Smallville102001]

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Sucks to lose Zo because who the hell is gonna be their PG?

On the flip side, I'm excited for the Suns to finally have a damn PG!

Depends on what else they do but I dont want to give up all the young guys its to much to give up any way. I say find a way to keep either BI or Kuzma and get Kemba walker so that way you have a big 3 of James, Kemba, and AD.

[ojandpizza]

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Depends on what else they do but I dont want to give up all the young guys its to much to give up any way. I say find a way to keep either BI or Kuzma and get Kemba walker so that way you have a big 3 of James, Kemba, and AD.

Blowing all your cap space only to offer Kemba or Kyrie a max isn't a great idea IMO. They'd be better off splitting that on 3-4 guys and just having a really good 8 man rotation.

There are other point guards available, and realistically all you need from your point guard on a LeBron team is for him to guard the other teams point guard.

[BleacherBum2310]

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He can score, and he's only costing them 1.6 mil.. There aren't many 20 a night capable guys who are on basically minimum deals in the league. He's under contract for the duration of the LeBron contract and the last year will still only be costing them a bit over 3 mil.

Plus I think Kuz's shooting is something that is coming around. I think his struggles are highly over hyped. He had multiple games last season where he took double digit 3s and hit over 40%, 16 games where he took 5+ and shot over 40%.. He was just really inconsistent over the season. He blamed it on changing his shooting form numerous times trying to find a comfort zone, and he's spent this off-season training with lethal shooter..

His struggles on defense are not overblown by any stretch, but he's largely underrated by the "Lakers young guys aren't that good" for what he can do on offense. For example, only 36 players in the entire league last season averaged at least 20 per 36 with FG%>45 last season. Of those 36 players only Devin Booker, Bagley, John Collins, and Sabonis were younger than Kuzma.

Over these two seasons even with his struggles he's a 34% from outside guy.. Which isn't too far off from Tatum at 40, Doncic at 33, Mitchell a 35, etc.

Contract is the only thing that makes sense. He Can score but that's literally all he can do and he can't shoot from outside. I don't think those struggles are overblown it's been a fact. to me he's just a guy.

I'm lower on the other young Lakers but I can at least see it with them..I can see the upside if it all clicks but I don't see it all with Kuzma.

[Smallville102001]

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it looks like they are trying super duper hard to keep Kumza and all I have is 1 question to ask... Like why?

Can score makes a lot less money than guys who are similar skill level to his and he wants to get better.

[Smallville102001]

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Blowing all your cap space only to offer Kemba or Kyrie a max isn't a great idea IMO. They'd be better off splitting that on 3-4 guys and just having a really good 8 man rotation.

There are other point guards available, and realistically all you need from your point guard on a LeBron team is for him to guard the other teams point guard.

Well if you get Kemba and AD and have James that is a big 3 and BI or Kuzma I think are solid players and may became a all-star player them self and you say realistically all you need from your point guard thing but there is so many good point guards in the league that I think it is important to have a good point guard and not just a so so one and if you trade all the big 3 to get AD than you have AD and James but like nothing around them with out making a lot of other moves at least. I would take Kemba, AD, James and either BI or Kuzma any day that is a championship contender team right there.

[cima]

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So Lakers are fine just gutting every other valuable piece they have to get a guy who would've joined them in 13 months anyways?

They are on the LeBron timeline right now...you don't waste another year of LeBron in his mid-30s. You gotta go all in now, which is the right move.

Even Kobe said if Anthony Davis is available you have to go all-in to get him. Why would you bank on unproven guys just because they have potential when you have already proven one of the best players in the history of the game? Neither Zo nor Ingram has greater potential than what AD already is.

The only negative about AD is he's not an iron man. But Zo and Ingram haven't stayed healthy in their short careers either so you can't use that as a positive in favoring them. If LeBron weren't in the picture, a Zo/Ingram/Kuzma/Hart core is not championship material and never will be. But some of those guys or even just one with LeBron and AD? Instant contender.

[ojandpizza]

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Contract is the only thing that makes sense. He Can score but that's literally all he can do and he can't shoot from outside. I don't think those struggles are overblown it's been a fact. to me he's just a guy.

I'm lower on the other young Lakers but I can at least see it with them..I can see the upside if it all clicks but I don't see it all with Kuzma.

Way overblown because him shooting 34% on his career vs something we would consider "elite" like 38% for someone who's taking about 6 threes a night for Kumza is only him making about 1 extra three-pointer per every 4 games he plays... Literally all he needs is a bit more consistency. And teams don't leave him like he's Ben Simmons or Rondo because he's taking those shots, he's having nights where he gets hot and drops 40, he's still spreading the floor he same way a 40%+ guy would.

Other areas of his game are definitely not overblown. He was arguably the worst off-ball defender on the floor in every game he played in last season. But he's athletic and long enough for that to develop some.