2019 Western Conference Playoffs - 2nd Round Discussion Thread

[DieHardYankee26]

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Wish it had been someone else so the discussion could be on whether the calls were wrong or not and the free throws deserved instead of people saying "Harden gets enough foul calls, why isn't he satisfied?"

[cima]

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The report that everyone hates (last 2 minute report) shows the refs got 3 calls wrong and all 3 favored the Warriors. Curry would've fouled out on 2 of them, so you can say it did affect the outcome considering Curry hit that dagger 3 pointer.

https://official.nba.com/l2m/L2MReport.html?gameId=0041800221

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Wish it had been someone else so the discussion could be on whether the calls were wrong or not and the free throws deserved instead of people saying "Harden gets enough foul calls, why isn't he satisfied?"

If that report from Houston hadn’t came out publicly, we probably wouldn’t be talking about any of this. Maybe not more than a few posts at the most.

Plus, if it had been someone else like Gerald Green or Daniel House, folks wouldn’t care as much.

[23]

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Grown men are crying and vaginas are BLEEDING today.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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ESPN got their hands on the report that Houston wrote up detailing the roughly 18 points that they believe refs cost them last year in Game 7:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26634745/rockets-audited-18-game-7-say-finals-bid-taken

One excerpt that details the methodology used:

The league provided Houston with what is essentially a full-game version for Game 7 of the last-two-minute report it releases after close games. The report lists incorrect calls; fouls and violations that should have been called but weren't; fouls and violations that would only have been visible, according to the league, with enhanced video review; and uncalled "potential infractions" where the league cannot come to a definitive conclusion on whether a foul was merited.

The Rockets appear to have incorporated all such instances in the report, including those that benefited the Warriors. For instance: with about 6:10 remaining in the first quarter, Stephen Curry drove on the right side of the floor. Gerald Green, the Rocket defending Curry, placed his right arm on Curry's hip as Curry rose for a layup. There was no call. The NBA flagged it as a "potential infraction" -- inconclusive, according to Houston's analysis. The Rockets counted that as a mistake that cost the Warriors 1.8 points -- a figure that appears to have been derived from Curry's career free throw percentage.

Edit: Obviously we don't have all the details, but based on the way ESPN is describing it, I think including the last category of calls is a mistake. I'd be curious what the point swing is if they didn't include the "potential infractions"

[areobee401]

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Not long after the game I hit the “ok, enough about the stupid foul calls” phase. Now I am in peak “shut up about it” mode.

This is not directed towards anyone here specifically. More about my growing annoyance of the topic than anything.

[jake44np]

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Im sorry but this crap is becoming very hard to watch.
The Warriors bitch about every call. There was a play that Durant karate chopped Nene I believe, it was so blatant. Then he yelled at the refs for 5 minutes. Green gripes about every single foul called on the Warriors. Its just so hard to watch.
And he Rockets are not much better with their constant bitching about calls.
It takes the flow away from the game.

[jeebs9]

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Who ya got for tonights game?

[DieHardYankee26]

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If that report from Houston hadn’t came out publicly, we probably wouldn’t be talking about any of this. Maybe not more than a few posts at the most.

Plus, if it had been someone else like Gerald Green or Daniel House, folks wouldn’t care as much.

It feels like I've been reading different variations of "the NBA is broken" throughout the day. It's just insane, I guess we'll see if anything comes from it. Another point for drama over games, at least the drama makes sense lol.

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Who ya got for tonights game?

Is embiid playing or is he gonna sit out with bubble guts?

Dude needs to lay off the 3 chicken meals and 3 milkshakes


Den/Por nobody just want to watch good basketball. Wish they could both win.

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[ProfessaPackMan]

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Not long after the game I hit the “ok, enough about the stupid foul calls” phase. Now I am in peak “shut up about it” mode.

This is not directed towards anyone here specifically. More about my growing annoyance of the topic than anything.

I do prefer this route over lazy takes/narratives though.

Lord knows, those get annoying dealing seeing those pop up every single day. I’m talking about here and off of here, BTW.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Not long after the game I hit the “ok, enough about the stupid foul calls” phase. Now I am in peak “shut up about it” mode.

This is not directed towards anyone here specifically. More about my growing annoyance of the topic than anything.

I personally appreciate it because it's allowing me to not think about the Bucks letdown.

[Master Live 013]

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Who ya got for tonights game?

Maj suggested 76ers should go heavy 3 tonight, I think au contraire they should work to establish Embiid deep down the post early own (Gasol has been getting good positioning with Embiid getting the ball too fall from the basket which makes it easier for the double to come in time).

If you see Embiid settling for 3's they are screwed. Redick should do his thing from the perimeter, Harris likewise. Simmons I guess will continue to drive into the paint. Butler, well, I don't know what Butler will do maybe he should slap the floor and try to guard Kawhi.

As for the Denver/Portland series I don't know. I do know that I'm counting on the McNuggets to win some $, so they better win, I don't care if it is in 7

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Per ProBasketballTalk

The Rockets are waging information warfare.

After Houston’s Game 1 loss to the Warriors – a game with plenty of officiating controversy – a study the Rockets conducted into their games against Golden State leaked. The result: Based on the NBA’s own review of calls, referees cost Houston 93 points – including 18 points in Game 7 – during the Western Conference finals.

How did Houston calculate those numbers? How significant was the effect?

Zach Lowe and Rachel Nichols of ESPN:

“Referees likely changed the NBA champion,” says the memo, addressed to Byron Spruell, the NBA’s president of league operations. “There can no be no worse result for the NBA.”

In their memo — which, again, the Rockets did not end up sending because they communicated its message in person instead — Houston recommended adding a fourth on-court referee, and that the league make full-game officiating reports available to every team for every game. They also claim a trip to the Finals would have netted at least $20 million in additional revenue.

The league provided Houston with what is essentially a full-game version for Game 7 of the last two-minute report it releases after close games. The report lists incorrect calls; fouls and violations that should have been called but weren’t; fouls and violations that would only have been visible, according to the league, with enhanced video review; and uncalled “potential infractions” where the league cannot come to a definitive conclusion on whether a foul was merited.

The Rockets appear to have included all such instances in the report, including those that benefited the Warriors.

Give Houston credit for suggesting solutions, not just whining. But there is a woe-is-me attitude that trickles through the organization from emphasizing a report like this. The Rockets might think they’re working told giving themselves a competitive advantage (or eliminating Golden State’s). More likely, Houston is just instilling a mindset that detracts from the focus necessary to win at this level.

I’m also not sure how much we should trust this analysis.

It seems the Rockets determined the expected value of possessions if calls were made it correctly then compared it to the actual points scored on those possessions, which is fine. But why count “potential infractions” where the league couldn’t make a definitive determination? What would the results have been without including those? I’d be shocked if they didn’t make Houston look like a bigger victim.

This methodology also leads to some uncomfortable results. In one example, James Harden got away with a possible infraction, an uncalled shooting foul on Kevon Looney. Without a whistle, the Warriors got an offensive rebound, and Kevin Durant made a 3-pointer. The Rockets said a correct call would have produced an expected value of one Golden State point (based on Looney’s free-throw percentage and two attempts). But because the Warriors instead scored three points on the possession, Houston claimed the missed call gave Golden State two extra points.

In other words, the Rockets claimed they were harmed by getting away with a foul!

Remember, Houston’s goal is helping Houston – not improving officiating. Everything the Rockets leak like this should be met with skepticism.

[CMH]

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Im sorry but this crap is becoming very hard to watch.
The Warriors bitch about every call. There was a play that Durant karate chopped Nene I believe, it was so blatant. Then he yelled at the refs for 5 minutes. Green gripes about every single foul called on the Warriors. Its just so hard to watch.
And he Rockets are not much better with their constant bitching about calls.
It takes the flow away from the game.

IMO, every team complains way too much.


It's going to look like one does it more when you favor the other side.



I don't really care about it much because the NBA was supposed to crack down on that a few years ago with automatic techs. Then it went away. So obviously the league wants players to complain or they know it's really not that serious and guys need to let their emotions out so long as it's not excessive or inappropriate.


Iguodala looking like Rick James "Come Here" is routine at this point. Same with Chris Paul scowling and side eyeing the ref.