2020 Offseason Thread

[Jeffx]

Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

Ehhh I don’t know about all of that now...

Is it worth what you'd have to give up?

[Ragnar53]

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Is it worth what you'd have to give up?

Is he going to put you in contention for a title? It was entirely worth it for the Lakers to give up Ball, Ingram, and all those first round picks (3 of them) for Anthony Davis.


Does it have a chance to backfire? Of course. But if they win even 1 title it's worth it.



Unless we're going to say the 07-08 Celtics weren't a team worth constructing?

[jeebs9]

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Is he going to put you in contention for a title? It was entirely worth it for the Lakers to give up Ball, Ingram, and all those first round picks (3 of them) for Anthony Davis.


Does it have a chance to backfire? Of course. But if they win even 1 title it's worth it.



Unless we're going to say the 07-08 Celtics weren't a team worth constructing?

Don't even get me started. They should of easily won 2 titles if it wasn't for KG's going bad the second year. Then the Lakers beat them in 7 the third year.

So yeah, I agree lol

[ProfessaPackMan]

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You think they would’ve beaten that Orlando team, jeebs?

[ojandpizza]

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You think they would’ve beaten that Orlando team, jeebs?

They took them to 7 with Glen Davis in place of KG, and then beat them the following year. It's tough to predict if they would have won more rings, or lasted longer than 3 years, etc but I do think they were a substantially different with healthy KG vs post injury KG or without KG.

[jeebs9]

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You think they would’ve beaten that Orlando team, jeebs?

I think the below sums it up

They took them to 7 with Glen Davis in place of KG, and then beat them the following year. It's tough to predict if they would have won more rings, or lasted longer than 3 years, etc but I do think they were a substantially different with healthy KG vs post injury KG or without KG.

I think they definitely left some rings on the table.

During that regular season (2009). They were pretty much unstoppable. Then KG injury happen.

Just to add. I don't want anyone to think I'm trying to take away from Lakers and Orlando team they won. They won those games.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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So if this is eventually going to be the case, then how in the world will Wall and Simmons fit together unless Wall is getting flipped to another team?

[jeebs9]

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So if this is eventually going to be the case, then how in the world will Wall and Simmons fit together unless Wall is getting flipped to another team?

Great question.... I wonder if Simmons is going to pull a what he did markell Fitz and come national TV and say I'm the starting point guard

[illwill10]

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So if this is eventually going to be the case, then how in the world will Wall and Simmons fit together unless Wall is getting flipped to another team?

That's why I doesn't make sense to me. Wall and Simmons is a worse pair than Wall and Harden is. Assuming they trade Simmons, Matisse/Shake/Maxey(one of the three), and Scott and 1st round picks for Harden and Tucker, that doesn't seem like a good trade for Houston. Is a Wall-Gordon-House-Simmons-Wood a good lineup?

I get that NBA superstars have more power to force moves. But, he has little to no leverage. He has a better chance getting moved at deadline or next off-season. He can't veto any trade. Problem with wanting to go to a top Eastern contender is that they don't have what Rockets would want. If they are dead set on a young high upside All-Star, good young players on rookie/team-friendly contract, and picks, then I don't see any of the teams that made playoffs in both conferences being able to offer that.

[georgiafan]

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So if this is eventually going to be the case, then how in the world will Wall and Simmons fit together unless Wall is getting flipped to another team?

I don't see anyone trading for Wall even if he looks decent for a few months. Their isn't a contract that's equal as bad with a bunch of years on it. They are short already on 1st round picks because other trades. I don't see them being able to move him until he is in the final year of the deal.

[Master Live 013]

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To me it doesn't matter how well Wall and Simmons fit, if the trade happens at that point it is about getting something for Harden before he leaves for nothing. Who cares about John Wall? If he provides some value, good, if not, he is just a contract waiting to be an expiring so he can be traded for something else.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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So if this is eventually going to be the case, then how in the world will Wall and Simmons fit together unless Wall is getting flipped to another team?

I think if Houston is worried about how Wall fits with Simmons, they're already screwed. Wall basically hasn't played in two years. He's only there because his contract was big enough to match Westbrook and they got a pick for the trouble. Simmons is a guy (and maybe the only guy that realistically may be offered) that they can actually build the team around.

The other teams on Harden's list can't really offer that the way Philly can. Maybe another team not on Harden's list can, but we'll see.

[illwill10]

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I think if Houston is worried about how Wall fits with Simmons, they're already screwed. Wall basically hasn't played in two years. He's only there because his contract was big enough to match Westbrook and they got a pick for the trouble. Simmons is a guy (and maybe the only guy that realistically may be offered) that they can actually build the team around.

The other teams on Harden's list can't really offer that the way Philly can. Maybe another team not on Harden's list can, but we'll see.

I can agree with that.
Philly does check off the boxes. A young All Star you can build around, rotational players on rookie contract, and draft picks Cross Milwaukee of the list. For the Nets, is it really Kyrie or no deal? I like Kyrie, but I don't think he's in that "build around him" part of his career anymore. Then if you're talking Dinwiddie and LaVert, and other pieces, then that is alright at best.

I'm torn. I do see Harden as the "better fit". But, I still rather see how it goes with Ben and Joel first with this roster. Replacing Ben with Harden changes the identity of the team. Ben's defensive versatility to be able to guard 1-4 can't easily be replaced.

I can see it becoming a 3 team deal though

[ProfessaPackMan]

2020 Offseason Thread

For the Nets, is it really Kyrie or no deal? I like Kyrie, but I don't think he's in that "build around him" part of his career anymore. Then if you're talking Dinwiddie and LaVert, and other pieces, then that is alright at best.

We’re not moving Kyrie.

That was something started from the rumor mills. Marks isn’t blowing up this team before seeing how they look together, especially with a new staff.

Hurry up and send him to Philly. Or Boston.

[areobee401]

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Or Boston.

I never wish injury on a player, so instead I pray Pack tears both ACLs for putting such a repulsive idea into the universe.


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