2020 Offseason Thread

[DieHardYankee26]

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Is the Bucks fan contention that the NBA has forbade Bogdan from signing with the Bucks? What does any of this have to do with him being a Buck?

[Master Live 013]

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Woj is known to hold a grudge, anyone trying to lay this at his feet can expect to get wrecked eventually.

[roadman]

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Is the Bucks fan contention that the NBA has forbade Bogdan from signing with the Bucks? What does any of this have to do with him being a Buck?

Nothing.

The Bucks fan contention, playing the victim card, is the NBA doesn't want Giannis to sign the supermax in Milwaukee.

[DieHardYankee26]

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So after all of these tiny tampering fines that have been given out and supposedly clear tampering being done in big markets, and with Giannis on the line, the Bucks are too scared to go through with it for fear of punishment and y’all are ok with that? It’s the NBA’s fault?

[ProfessaPackMan]

2020 Offseason Thread

So after all of these tiny tampering fines that have been given out and supposedly clear tampering being done in big markets, and with Giannis on the line, the Bucks are too scared to go through with it for fear of punishment and y’all are ok with that? It’s the NBA’s fault?

I don’t think anyone is saying that.

I’d be shocked if it didn’t go thru. The whole thing is just pointless, even if you’re operating under the facade of “oh they’re just taking precautions”.

Just say ALL trades cannot be completed and/or agreed upon until FA officially begins. This is something that could’ve been solved years ago but it probably wasn’t that important for them to make a decision on.

[roadman]

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I don’t think anyone is saying that.

I’d be shocked if it didn’t go thru. The whole thing is just pointless, even if you’re operating under the facade of “oh they’re just taking precautions”.

Just say ALL trades cannot be completed and/or agreed upon until FA officially begins. This is something that could’ve been solved years ago but it probably wasn’t that important for them to make a decision on.

I'm highly doubt it goes through anymore because the Bucks released Ilyosova yesterday. He was a important piece of the salary puzzle.

Unless the Bucks pull a rabbit out of the hat.

[DieHardYankee26]

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I don’t think anyone is saying that.

I’d be shocked if it didn’t go thru. The whole thing is just pointless, even if you’re operating under the facade of “oh they’re just taking precautions”.

Just say ALL trades cannot be completed and/or agreed upon until FA officially begins. This is something that could’ve been solved years ago but it probably wasn’t that important for them to make a decision on.

People seem convinced it's dead now which is why they're making all of this noise. If it goes through, I wouldn't even care about the investigation but that's whatever. I guess we'll find out more tonight.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Is the Bucks fan contention that the NBA has forbade Bogdan from signing with the Bucks? What does any of this have to do with him being a Buck?

Just a guess on my part, but I'm guessing Bogdanovic's agent leaked the deal to Woj as basically a way to signal to other teams that this was their last chance to up their offers, someone came forward willing to offer more money, and Bogdanovic bailed on the Bucks deal.

There's definitely a subset of Bucks fans that think the league is/will force Bogdanovic to go elsewhere against his will, and those fans are fired up by some media people suggesting that's what happened here (I think either Hollinger or Nate Duncan or something speculated that the league is voiding the deal). I don't think this is very likely though.

Edit: I also think a lot of Bucks fans are understandably on edge because Bogdanovic is considered one of Giannis' few good friends in the league and according to Windhorst, they had talked about teaming up together, so the Bogdanovic deal was viewed as essentially telling us that Giannis was unofficially signing the supermax. And now those fans are freaking out again that he might be gone.

There is of course still a chance that this is all a ruse on the Bucks/Bogdanovic/Kings part to avoid tampering penalties, but seems unlikely to me at this point. I guess we'll see in the next few days probably. It's also theoretically possible that Bogdanovic wants to play for the Bucks but the constructed trade wouldn't allow them to pay him as much as he wanted and the Bucks are now trying to figure out a way to complete the deal with more money involved. Again, seems unlikely to me, but there is still a fair number of people in the media saying that Bogdanovic wants the Bucks. The Bucks want Bogdanovic. And the Kings want to help make it happen.

I'm highly doubt it goes through anymore because the Bucks released Ilyosova yesterday. He was a important piece of the salary puzzle.

Unless the Bucks pull a rabbit out of the hat.

Theoretically if Bogdanovic did in fact want to play for the Bucks still at the $15ish million per year contract that Bobby Marks and Windhorst believed he had agreed to, the Bucks could still execute a sign and trade without Ersan. They'd just have to replace him in the deal with one of their own free agents in the form of a double sign-and-trade or do something like Brook Lopez + DJ Wilson for Bogdanovic instead.

I don't personally think this is headed for a happy ending but theoretically there are still multiple ways the Bucks could do it.

[areobee401]

2020 Offseason Thread

Bucks be some cheaters, man. Throw the book at em.

Makes me embarrassed to be an NBA fan.


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[georgiafan]

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Theoretically if Bogdanovic did in fact want to play for the Bucks still at the $15ish million per year contract that Bobby Marks and Windhorst believed he had agreed to, the Bucks could still execute a sign and trade without Ersan. They'd just have to replace him in the deal with one of their own free agents in the form of a double sign-and-trade or do something like Brook Lopez + DJ Wilson for Bogdanovic instead.

I don't personally think this is headed for a happy ending but theoretically there are still multiple ways the Bucks could do it.

Rumor is Atlanta is going to offer him something like 4 year and 72 million (18 per). So I believe that would be a total of about 8 million more then he could get from the Bucks. Who knows if Sacramento will match it.

I don't see a team with cap space giving up assets to get him on top of paying him that contract. So Kings could be in worse shape then if they had just took the Bucks offer.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Rumor is Atlanta is going to offer him something like 4 year and 72 million (18 per). So I believe that would be a total of about 8 million more then he could get from the Bucks. Who knows if Sacramento will match it.

I don't see a team with cap space giving up assets to get him on top of paying him that contract. So Kings could be in worse shape then if they had just took the Bucks offer.

Seems like they tried to take the Bucks' offer lol. At the end of the day, if Bogdanovic wants to sign with another team, especially one with cap space like Atlanta, there isn't really anything Sacramento can do to stop that. They could theoretically match, but it sounds like they have no intention of doing that.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Need that “Joe Harris has re-signed with the Nets” announcement to hit at 6:01pm tonight.

[ojandpizza]

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Regarding the AD trade, and Harden currently.. Everyone kinda accepts that isnt gonna happen. Its complete bull**** how a player can be under contract and one day say "I want to play in LA/NY, trade me there now or i'm not gonna play" or essentially just force their way there, but whatever. LA got fined, they'll gladly eat it and move on.

Neither of them said that though, Harden didn't sign an extension, AD told them he was leaving in free agency. Both of which are fine.

LA didn't get fined for anything AD related, there was nothing to fine them for. They got fined for what Magic said about Giannis.

I would need technical clarification.

Isn't Gallinari technically under contract since free agency hasn't started? So he isn't an unrestricted free agent yet?

Wasn't Heyward technically under contract until he decided (yesterday afternoon) that he would decline his player option? While he was still deciding whether to exercise his player option he was still under contract with the Celtics right? And even then, he isn't technically an unrestricted free agent until free agency starts today at 6:00pm ET? So he is still under contract with the Celtics until today at 6:00pm ET?

Neither of them are restricted free agents, and even if they were neither of them have signed with a new team before it was allowed to happen. So who are we throwing the tampering hammer down on if nothing has happened?

By this logic every player that opted out of their extension are we supposed to assume all of the teams they sign with also need to get hit with tampering fines? it's also speculation, nothing has happened. That is not the same as the Bucks situation.

[ojandpizza]

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It’s not that different than before.

They’re being petty over 3 days. I’m not even playing the small market victim card, just calling silliness out like I see it.

And if you or anyone believes this is the first S&T agreement to be made before FA officially started, then y’all are some naive MFers, lol.

I completely agree with you, actually. I'm just arguing that there is justification for them to look into it if they want to. I, like you, also think its silly, I liked the trade when it happened and wanted Bogdon to go there. I just don't agree that it's just mistreating the Bucks for no reason at all and that there is no justifiable cause to look into if it's been requested to do so.

Like the reactions to it all sound like when Maj gets on one of his takes acting like everyone is out to get Toronto lol. (sorry Maj)

[ojandpizza]

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There we go.

Normally, agents report to Woj and Woj drops his bombs.

I have no idea how it was transpired on Monday.

I found this online:

Neither the Bucks nor the Kings said anything officially about the Bogdanovic trade. Whether an opposing team reported a possible tampering violation before the trade or if the league is basing the investigation off of Wojnarowski's premature report is not yet known. Somewhat similar moves in the past have been made without any tampering violations found to have been made. In 2018, for instance, Chris Paul was slated to be a free agent, but instead opted into the final year of his contract and was dealt to the Houston Rockets. Reporting later indicated that Paul was recruited to the Rockets by James Harden, but common sense at the time should have dictated tampering. How could Paul have known the Rockets were interested in trading for him when he opted in otherwise?

Tampering is a somewhat frequent occurrence in the NBA, but investigating it fully is nearly impossible. Even in this instance, proving that the Bucks contacted Bogdanovic would be extremely difficult. The Bucks and Kings could easily argue that they are not responsible for Wojnarowski's reporting, and that it may have been false, or that they merely agreed to the framework of a trade that would have been contingent upon negotiations that hadn't yet taken place between the Bucks and Kings. There probably isn't a smoking gun here. It seems highly unlikely that the Bucks would have communicated with Bogdanovic in writing, so finding definitive wrongdoing would seem to be nearly impossible.

And this is where I will indulge in the small market victim card, conspiracy or not:

But as the Bucks seek to pick up the pieces and salvage their offseason after seemingly losing out on Bogdanovic, this cloud hanging over their head is less than ideal as they attempt to convince Giannis Antetokounmpo to sign a contract extension.

I wouldn't call Bucks fans frustrated, it goes deeper than that. I would call it embarrassing and enraging at all parties involved.

Which is why I think nothing will come of this and it's more so just a "warning" for all team to take notice that the league will/is taking it more seriously. They made a big statement about it last year, this is really the first instance to come up since that statement. So I feel like it's the NBA just standing their ground on letting teams know that tampering is something they are putting more emphasis on.

And again for it to happen in the first place I feel like somebody would have had to request it. Maybe that will come out, I don't think Woj would leak a trade and the league immediately look into it unless someone else was giving them reason to.