2020 Offseason Thread

[ojandpizza]

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We just drafted Udoka Azubuike out of Kansas

Big body, rim runner, good shot blocker but raw offensively. Reminds me of Gobert tbh but he's 270 lbs with a 40 inch vertical

Wonder if we target Favors with our MLE or if we go after someone like Austin Rivers and let Azubuike get the backup 5 minutes

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Never responded to this but I hope Utah has a plan to get a backup that's not a rookie as well. I don't think asking him to play huge playoff minutes, or be the only big on the roster should Gobert go down is ideal for a team that should be compering for a chip next year.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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If you believe Kevin O'Connor and Bill Simmons, it sounds like basically, the Bucks knew Bogdanovic would sign with them. Bogdanovic thought they'd pay him $18-20 mil per year by sending Eric Bledsoe and a pick to Sacramento.

Then the Jrue Holiday trade materialized which obviously took Bledsoe and the pick out of the picture so Milwaukee scrambled and put together the Donte/Ersan/DJ package, which would allow them to sign Bogdanovic for $15-17 mil but Bogdanovic wasn't on board with that so the deal fell apart.

And they're saying he already has an offer for more money from another team that he intends to sign with.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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Sounds like something the Wizards would do.

[georgiafan]

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And they're saying he already has an offer for more money from another team that he intends to sign with.

Theme music for the Hawks starts playing

Need that “Joe Harris has re-signed with the Nets” announcement to hit at 6:01pm tonight.

Where's the dislike button on this site ? I do expect him to re sign with yall also.

[ojandpizza]

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I know the Hawks have money, but how do they have Bogdanovic, Gallinari, Hayward, Rondo, Harris money lol..

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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I know the Hawks have money, but how do they have Bogdanovic, Gallinari, Hayward, Rondo, Harris money lol..

They obviously can't sign all of those guys, but Windhorst basically confirmed it's the Hawks offering him more money already. He said something along the lines of "I need to be careful about how I say this so they don't get in trouble for tampering, but Bogdanovic thinks he can get 4 years and $72 million and maybe that's Atlanta".

Gallinari is rumored to be going to Dallas. Harris is rumored to be returning to Brooklyn.

We'll see with Hayward and Rondo.

[georgiafan]

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I know the Hawks have money, but how do they have Bogdanovic, Gallinari, Hayward, Rondo, Harris money lol..

Basically every single agent is leaking that Atlanta is going to sign their client as leverage. Because on top of having 44 million to spend we are the only team with cap space that's trying to win games next year. You can sit back and try and judge which ones are likely bs like Rondo and Gallinari because of fit however its hard to know for sure.

As far as needs go the biggest need on the entire team is a backup PG and outside of FVV nobody is worth paying more 10 million + a year. That person also has to be able to play alongside Trae if not they can't they just getting 12 minutes a game. They need to be able to defend some also so you quickly can rule out big $ being spent here.

Atlanta was dead last in 3 % last year so that's why your seeing so many wing shooters linked to us on top of the $ factor. That person needs to be more of a 2/3 then a 3/4. Collins is your starting 4 and like I said yesterday is easily the best player on the team imo. He will give you some minutes at the 5 the team clearly views him as a 4 with the rookie and Clint being on the roster.

Why would we pay Bertans /Gallo 20 million to come off the bench at the 4 when they might not be able to close games with Collins at the 5 ? It gets tricky because you have 3 young wings with upside that all need to play. If you got the vet route like Haywood / Gallo they will start and more ego then your Harris types.

The major thing none of the national guys are talking about is it makes a lot of sense to keep enough cap space to sign a max guy next offseason. Since Collins was the 19th pick he has a low cap hold and is deserving of a max contract.

[ehh]

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At this point it seems like FVV is a lock to re-up in Toronto, no? Post-draft and after some trades, it's really only the Knicks as the other viable option.

There's enough smoke out there that I think it's all but locked up that the Knicks sign Hayward. Walt Perrin now in NY, the Knicks have cap space and want to compete right now, Hayward wants a bigger role and a longer deal. I think the Knicks are going to make him a silly offer in the range of 3/$90m.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Marc Stein reporting that Boston and Indiana are working on a sign-and-trade for Gordon Hayward. Kinda crazy that it sounds like teams are negotiating a sign-and-trade before the moratorium has even begun. Never thought I'd see the day this happens.

[ehh]

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Marc Stein reporting that Boston and Indiana are working on a sign-and-trade. Kinda crazy that it sounds like teams are negotiating a sign-and-trade before the moratorium has even begun. Never thought I'd see the day this happens.

Oooh, for Hayward?

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Oooh, for Hayward?

Yeah, sorry, I guess I accidentally left that part out.

[Master Live 013]

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Neither of them are restricted free agents, and even if they were neither of them have signed with a new team before it was allowed to happen. So who are we throwing the tampering hammer down on if nothing has happened?

By this logic every player that opted out of their extension are we supposed to assume all of the teams they sign with also need to get hit with tampering fines? it's also speculation, nothing has happened. That is not the same as the Bucks situation.

But you were the one making the distinction.

I mean have you just chosen to not actually read my other responses? I’ve answered most of this in direct response to you already..

2.) Hayward - “you have to think he already has an offer on the table”.. ok so what team, how much, what’s the offer? So who are we charging with tampering? Again do you suggest the league seizes control of Hayward text/call log from the FBI or something? Regardless Hayward has a player option, he’s not contractually bound by the Celtics. He doesn’t have to necessarily have a “deal in place” so long as he knows teams that can afford to pay him are interested, and should be able to talk to whatever team he wants to because he’s not a restricted free agent contractually bound by a team he’s tampering against. The Knicks/Hawks haven’t announced that they have signed Hayward to a 1 year 35 million dollar deal, so which team has publicly violated league sign/trade protocol?

3.) Gallinari - it’s not essentially the same thing because like you said Gallinari is an unrestricted free agent. He’s not contractually bound to any team, he’s free to go wherever he wants to go. Teams like LAL, LAC, PHI, BKN, DAL, those teams only have the MLE to work with. By default it’s common knowledge that the Mavs would need to do a sign and trade to entice Gallinari to come to them by paying him more than those other teams can. Again, they haven’t publicly agreed to a deal, no money has been mentioned, Gallinari hasn’t done a sign and trade 3 days before its allowed. As an unrestricted free agent it’s Gallo’s choice to do that sign and trade if he wants to, but again it hasn’t been done yet and if it happens when it’s legally allowed to happen who do you hit with tampering?? Dallas just because some guy tweeted about it? Does the league wire tap Dallas’s phones and figure out exactly what was said to see if any specific rules were broken?

Heyward is contractually bound the Celtics until 6:00pm ET today.

Gallinari is contractually bound and isn't free to go wherever he wants to go until 6:00pm ET today.

So any team expressing interest (just expressing interest is tampering) or exchanging numbers with their agents before today at 6:00pm would be tampering even though we know that isn't how it works and deals are essentially in place and get announced at 6:01pm.

So whether a player is contractually bound until today at 6:00pm (Gallinari/Heyward) or contractually bound beyond that (Bogdan) they can't (ok, shouldn't) negotiate with teams and any team which do so would be tampering.

The distinction you made doesn't exists.

[illwill10]

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"The Toronto Raptors will begin the 2020-21 NBA season playing in Tampa, Florida."

[illwill10]

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"The Bucks are moving on from their pursuit of restricted free agent Bogdan Bogdanovic, who will scan market across league, sources tell me and @sam_amick."

"The #Sixers waived Marial Shayok today. The guard signed a two-way contract with the team last season."
Figured he would be waived. Too many young wings on the roster and he looked to get no playing time at all

[georgiafan]

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"The Bucks are moving on from their pursuit of restricted free agent Bogdan Bogdanovic, who will scan market across league, sources tell me and @sam_amick."

"The #Sixers waived Marial Shayok today. The guard signed a two-way contract with the team last season."
Figured he would be waived. Too many young wings on the roster and he looked to get no playing time at all

That seemed to be where things would headed and without him the Holiday trades makes less sense to me because its just a slight upgrade.

Its going to be interesting to see how philly fills out the last few spots on their roster.