2020 Offseason Thread

[Majingir]

Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

Bucks getting in trouble for tampering would be like that guy who gets pulled over for going above the speed limit, when all the cars around him are going the same or faster speeds, AND going those fast speeds while that guy is being given a ticket.

[roadman]

Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

So what is the agenda? Because I don't get it really..

I'll try to spell it out for you, oj.

The league crapping on small market teams.

No Bogdon, Giannis can head out west courted by King I'm taking my talents to South Beach James, you should know the story by now.

I won't mention the year that King James openly courted AD.

As PP mentioned, teams tamper on sign and trades.

It is what it is.

[bigeastbumrush]

Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

I'll try to spell it out for you, oj.

The league crapping on small market teams.

Oh come on..lol.

Can we just wait until all of the info comes out before we start with these conspiracies?

[roadman]

Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

Oh come on..lol.

Can we just wait until all of the info comes out before we start with these conspiracies?

Ummm, no. lol

I was just following up on agenda which was stated earlier in the thread and something I don't disagree with.

[illwill10]

Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

I feel like this will be a quick Free Agency. I don't think we will see waves of Free Agency. With Training Camp starting as soon as Dec 1st, Covid Protocols, and just 3 weeks to get chemistry, I feel the bulk of Free Agency will occur within the first week.. Barring injuries, I feel most teams will be set when Training camp starts.

I can see Harden not getting traded. I don't want to give up Ben for him and I don't think it would be wise for Nets to gut their roster to not be able to play defense lol. I can see Knicks making a run at FVV.

[ojandpizza]

Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

I'll try to spell it out for you, oj.

The league crapping on small market teams.

It is what it is

They did it to themselves, how is it crapping on anybody? It is what it is.

I won't mention the year that King James openly courted AD.

There is no tampering laws against two players having the same agent, one picking the other in the All-Star game, the Lakers offering a trade for AD, Ad requesting he wanted to be traded, none of that is illegal and all well within tampering guidelines. Explain to me how it isn't?

You can’t do a sign and trade without some type of tampering, come on now.

As PP mentioned, teams tamper on sign and trades.

How is every sign and trade tampering? That doesn't make any sense at all, and even in this specific case if it happened tomorrow after 6:00 instead of days ago there wouldn't even be an issue with it. This is the ONLY sign and trade regarding a player who's a restricted free agent that has been openly agreed to before the time that such trades are allowed to be agreed to. That is why it is the only thing being investigated. It's not that complicated.

Do all teams have some form of "tampering" to a small degree? Likely so. Not all teams are stupid enough to publicly showcase it. The Bucks ****ed up, it is what it is. Likely nothing will come of it, like others have said it's silly to even investigate it but they can and they are and it's not picking on the small market team it's the small market team looking like fools.

Like I said if you don't see how this is different you just simply don't want to. I still expect nothing to come of it, I think they are just sending a message for it to not happen again.

[ojandpizza]

Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

Bucks getting in trouble for tampering would be like that guy who gets pulled over for going above the speed limit, when all the cars around him are going the same or faster speeds, AND going those fast speeds while that guy is being given a ticket.

This isn't a good analogy because not every other team has openly broken tampering protocols in plain daylight with everyone being allowed to see it. I keep seeing people trying to make the claim that there has been but there isn't a single same situation that has occurred.

This would be more like 20 cars driving down the road all knowingly with 1 headlight out but 18 of them are smart enough to have their headlights turned off but the Bucks and Kings cars have theirs on driving past the cops with one headlight. And then complaining that they were only pulled over because their licenses plate isn't from California or New York.

[bigeastbumrush]

Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

Could it have been the Bucks (org or players’ agents) putting it out there too early to show how much they’re doing to satisfy Giannis.

That’s a theory too.

[ojandpizza]

Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

I mean I know people think it's silly, and Bucks fans are obviously frustrated, but that doesn't mean they were just doing exactly what everyone else did and the league is just picking on them for no reason and the league wants Giannis to leave them. Let's at least be sensible and realistic.

[ojandpizza]

Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

Could it have been the Bucks (org or players’ agents) putting it out there too early to show how much they’re doing to satisfy Giannis.

That’s a theory too.

I mean I could see that, but what would be the point if Giannis already knew, or if he didn't just telling him and not the whole world?

[roadman]

Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

I mean I know people think it's silly, and Bucks fans are obviously frustrated, but that doesn't mean they were just doing exactly what everyone else did and the league is just picking on them for no reason and the league wants Giannis to leave them. Let's at least be sensible and realistic.

Worth the 3 minute listen oj, at least for me.lol

https://twitter.com/CBSSportsRadio/status/1329621719083065350

Maybe try to have a open mind?

If the Bucks screwed up, sure, fine them.

More interesting tidbits:

Bogdan Bogdanovic agent history—

Jason Ranne is the agent involved in a) the Bogdanovic fiasco b) Marcus Morris backing out of a Spurs deal (which had led the Spurs to salary dump Davis Bertans) and c) Nemanja Bjelica backing out a Sixer deal a couple years back. GMs must love that guy.

[dubcity]

Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

Man, and here I was hoping the strangeness of this offseason/year would save us from the annual tampering discussion.

[ojandpizza]

2020 Offseason Thread

Worth the 3 minute listen oj, at least for me.lol

https://twitter.com/CBSSportsRadio/status/1329621719083065350

Maybe try to have a open mind?

If the Bucks screwed up, sure, fine them.

Try to have an open mind to what? He’s saying the same exact things everyone else is saying and giving examples that aren’t even relevant to this discussion.

Anything Davis told his current team he wasn’t going to re-sign giving them a chance to trade him. Are we just going to say from now on players can’t do that, or if they do they can’t go to a team that their agent has players on, or they can’t give preferred landing spots? Because he and LeBron share and agent and he wanted to play with Bron the Lakers were tampering by following NBA guideline and making a legal trade? How?

Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving were both free agents free to go wherever they wanted. How is that tampering? Just because they had talked at some point beforehand discussing they wouldn’t mind teaming up? That’s still not tampering. Why would the Nets get in trouble for tampering because two players both chose to come play for them?

Paul George was traded in a massive overpay because Kawhi didn’t want to sign with the Clippers without them getting another star. You’re telling me if you’re a free agent you shouldn’t be able to tell teams what it would take for you to sign with them? There is nothing “tampering” about making a normal trade, we’ve already had plenty this off-season. What should the Clippers be punished for?

None of these situations involve a player under contract with a team as a restricted free agent discussing contract details with another team before he is allowed to do so. It’s literally that simple.

Nobody is saying hit the Bucks with tampering because Giannis was talking to Bogdan and they want to play together. That literally happens all the time, players recruit. Nobody is even saying hit them for tampering for publicly saying they want to make a sign and trade that also happens.. Restricted free agents have to agree to the terms of a sign and trade, but free agency had not begun. He’s not in a position to agree to a sign and trade from any team, only in a position to accept/reject his QO with the Kings. You can’t finalize a deal for a sign and trade before free agency opens just like Rondo can’t sign with the Hawks until free agency opens.

Let’s just say hypothetically 5 other teams want Bogdan. And were all planning on making sign and trade pitches once free agency started and then bam 3 days early it’s reported he’s being traded to the Bucks before such discussion is even allowed to happen. You think those 5 teams aren’t calling and complaining to the league?


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[ojandpizza]

Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

And I’m sure they aren’t the only team that has ever talked about moves like this before free agency started.. I get that, it probably happens even more than most would assume, I’m not arguing that. But damn be smart enough to wait 3 more days instead of publicly “finalizing” a trade that’s not even allowed to happen yet.


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[ojandpizza]

Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

Jason Ranne is the agent involved in a) the Bogdanovic fiasco b) Marcus Morris backing out of a Spurs deal (which had led the Spurs to salary dump Davis Bertans) and c) Nemanja Bjelica backing out a Sixer deal a couple years back. GMs must love that guy.

Now this is shady as ****. The Morris thing was one of the ****tiest moves that I can remember, seems like this guy should be the one under fire...


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