2020 Offseason Thread

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

The loss of picks would suck but I’ll never shed a tear for a team getting fined money.

Hell will freeze over before that happens.

[ojandpizza]

Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

It doesn’t matter what the story is about, it matters what happened, which none of us know.

This is it, and quote like this one:

This is hilarious because the entire story the media has been telling about how the deal fell apart is specifically that the Bucks forgot to tamper before they negotiated with the Kings.

don't make sense either because the same media that is claiming the Bucks "forgot to tamper" are also saying that both sides are basically only saying that to avoid tampering fines.. Basically they told on themselves because they are all stupid, and if they are worried about tampering fines why is it ridiculous to look into tampering? They are clearly innocent but also scared? Makes no sense.

[ojandpizza]

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if the NBA actually punishes the Bucks for this.... the Agenda is very clear.

So what is the agenda? Because I don't get it really..


Regardless I see the league doing nothing with this, but more so just using this to serve as a warning to everyone across the league.

[ojandpizza]

Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

The Lakers got fined $50K for it, which is basically "we're fining you to shut everyone up but whatever." I think Milwaukee would GLADLY take the $50K fine and still get Bogi and Jrue. But possible millions in a fine AND loss of picks? WTF???

The Lakers got fined for Magic saying Giannis was good and would win MVP and maybe bring the Bucks a championship one day.... Not for discussing contract details with a restricted free agent and then announcing it to the world before free agency started.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

There really is no need to investigate this though.

Even on some letter of the law type ****, it’s just silly and a waste of time.

[ojandpizza]

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There really is no need to investigate this though.

Even on some letter of the law type ****, it’s just silly and a waste of time.

I mean for them to agree to a sign and trade it would have to be known what Bogdan was going to be paid. Otherwise how would they know if Milwaukee even had the cap space? Meaning the Bucks would have in fact tampered by discussing contract details with a restricted free agent. And then stupid enough to tell everyone they did it and then back track and say well actually we didn't do it so don't fine us....

I get that the details are silly and I don't disagree with you, but they are tampering.. That's like saying it's stupid to pull a car over and give them a ticket because they ran a red light but they were the only car on the road so it's a waste of time. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

[itsmb8]

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I mean for them to agree to a sign and trade it would have to be known what Bogdan was going to be paid. Otherwise how would they know if Milwaukee even had the cap space? Meaning the Bucks would have in fact tampered by discussing contract details with a restricted free agent. And then stupid enough to tell everyone they did it and then back track and say well actually we didn't do it so don't fine us....

I get that the details are silly and I don't disagree with you, but they are tampering.. That's like saying it's stupid to pull a car over and give them a ticket because they ran a red light but they were the only car on the road so it's a waste of time. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

Bogdan's camp is saying they werent talking to everyone, so as far as we know yes, the Bucks forgot to tamper.

But then you have Matt Babcock saying the Thunder and Mavs are in deep talks on a Gallinari S&T and that tweet is deleted. Why? Because tampering.

Hayward turns down $34m and its being reported that he did that because he already has another deal on the table (Knicks?).

You have THREE possible tampering situations already, and the NBA is only looking at the Bucks.

When the NBA is being insanely selective on which tampering cases they investigate, and the possible penalty for the one team they investigate could end up getting their best player (the B2B MVP) out and to a large market that teams have been openly coveting for the past 2 years, the agenda is blatantly obvious.

[jeebs9]

Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

Kelly Oubre deal is done. Warriors targeting and dealed so ****ing quickly. Meyers is crazy. I love the move

https://youtu.be/zu_5B90ujeg

[cima]

Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

Kelly Oubre deal is done. Warriors targeting and dealed so ****ing quickly. Meyers is crazy. I love the move

https://youtu.be/zu_5B90ujeg

Must be nice to just piss and **** money because Oubre is gonna cost them $80+ million between his contract and the luxury tax increase.

[georgiafan]

Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

Looks like it’s top 20 protected so if golden state finishes 21 it becomes 2nd In the next draft

[bigeastbumrush]

Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

I don’t see what the big deal is. Unless it was the Kings who actually complained.

[ojandpizza]

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Bogdan's camp is saying they werent talking to everyone, so as far as we know yes, the Bucks forgot to tamper.

But then you have Matt Babcock saying the Thunder and Mavs are in deep talks on a Gallinari S&T and that tweet is deleted. Why? Because tampering.

Hayward turns down $34m and its being reported that he did that because he already has another deal on the table (Knicks?).

You have THREE possible tampering situations already, and the NBA is only looking at the Bucks.

When the NBA is being insanely selective on which tampering cases they investigate, and the possible penalty for the one team they investigate could end up getting their best player (the B2B MVP) out and to a large market that teams have been openly coveting for the past 2 years, the agenda is blatantly obvious.

So in your own example how is Hayward getting a team caught for tampering? Like I said before he has a player option, he's not contractually bound to Boston like Bogdon is with the Kings. And he could very well know that other teams want to offer him a deal without an actual contract being discussed. He could know what teams are interested, what their cap situation looks like, etc. As far as "another deal on the table", so which team is it, what is the deal, who do you hit with tampering if you don't know? Do you tap Gordon's phone? How do we know it's not the same smoke we see every year and false "leaks"? Nothing has been openly agreed to, so who do you go after? And for all we know it's Gordon telling Boston see what you can get for me and I won't be leaving you high and dry. And again, he's not contractually bound to Boston, New York or any team could "leak" that they are interested in signing him if he's available.. That happens every single year, not every single year does two teams blatantly tell on themselves though.

Gallinari is an unrestricted free agent. But "discussing" the idea of a sign and trade likely wouldn't even qualify as tampering. If even true (because frankly who the **** cares what Matt Babcock says) it's known that the Mavericks have no cap space. To acquire Gallinari they would have to sign and trade, no contract specific details would have to even be discussed other than knowing that to convince Gallo to go to the Mavs they would need to be able to pay him more than they currently can which by default would mean the only way to get him would be via a sign and trade. Expressing interest in him and reaching out to OKC about the possibility of that wouldn't necessarily be breaking any tampering laws. That's literally the only team he can sign and trade with. Again Gallo is an unrestricted free agent, they aren't luring him away from a team that he is contractually bound to. So who are the Mavericks tampering against if Gallo isn't on a team? So where is the tampering?

The NBA is only looking at the Bucks because they openly told on themselves, they had to engage contract discussions with Bogdan to even know if they could afford him in the first place. They are also the only team targeting a player contractually bound by another team, which by league definition makes them the only team in your scenario that is "tampering". If you don't see how the situations are different it's because you don't want to. There is nothing insanely selective about it.

If Bogdan's camp is right then nothing will happen right? So why the outrage? Even if they do get hit with a fine or whatever why would that make Giannis leave? It won't even keep them from getting Bogdan? The idea that this is some scheme to just get him away from Milwaukee seems incredibly far fetched. Either way if there is nothing to this at all both sides management looks incredibly stupid for not understanding how this works, and if there is something to it both sides equally stupid for telling on themselves.

[jeebs9]

Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

Must be nice to just piss and **** money because Oubre is gonna cost them $80+ million between his contract and the luxury tax increase.

I don't look at the money lol. They replaced a second scorer. I'm expecting big things from Kelly this year. I thought it would of been on the Sun's.

[ojandpizza]

Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

I don’t see what the big deal is. Unless it was the Kings who actually complained.

Or any other team that was interested in trading for him.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

You can’t do a sign and trade without some type of tampering, come on now.