2020 Offseason Thread

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Is there really any team with superstar or superstarS on their roster that doesn’t look to be in “trouble in the next 2 years?

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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The Bucks owners/GM has to start getting some heat for the past few years. They have traded away several 1st round picks just to shed salary to avoid paying the luxury tax. They let Brogdon go instead of paying him.

They now have no 1st round picks they can trade after this years until 24 and 26. They are also a sneaky old team with no quality young players on the roster outside of Giannis. If you start trying to salary match none of the players your trading away has any major value.

Some of it isn't their fault but some of it definitely is.

There's no defending their draft record at this point. Since drafting Giannis, they've missed on every single pick they've made with the exception of Brogdon.

Also not really a fan of the contracts the new regime has handed out. Bledsoe's is what it is; looks like tremendous value in the regular season and looks like crap in the playoffs. I imagine he's gone this offseason. But it's some of the smaller contracts that have been bad IMO. Tony Snell's was abysmal the minute it was signed. Ersan Ilyasova, George Hill, and Robin Lopez's contracts aren't killers really, but the two big men in particular sort of sapped the Bucks' cap flexibility without providing much on-court value. Hill was legitimately great as the 6th man this year, but it's still kind of a lot of money for a very old PG.

They were more or less forced to trade the picks they have in order to get out from under contracts that the previous front office signed. The only one that was an attempt to stay under the luxury tax was Brogdon, and I would still say moving him for the draft picks was the right move.

I think they'll still be able to make some trades this offseason to improve the team without much issue, but no doubt they'd be in a much better position if, just for one example, they had taken John Collins over DJ Wilson, which should have been obvious even at the time.

TLDR: They haven't really done much to avoid the luxury tax up to this point but they've definitely done a horrendous job in the draft and have made some iffy at best signings.

[Majingir]

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Is there really any team with superstar or superstarS on their roster that doesn’t look to be in “trouble in the next 2 years?

Celtics,Nets,Warriors seem like they could have good futures with their stars and haven't dealt multiple firsts away.

Knicks and Pelicans have RJ/Zion and multiple firsts in upcoming drafts. Not that I have confidence either will draft well, but anything is possible.

[J_Posse]

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Celtics,Nets,Warriors seem like they could have good futures with their stars and haven't dealt multiple firsts away.

Knicks and Pelicans have RJ/Zion and multiple firsts in upcoming drafts. Not that I have confidence either will draft well, but anything is possible.

R.J. Barrett & Zion Williamson aren't anywhere close to being "superstars" no matter what the major media outlets say.

They (and fans) use that term way, way too loosely & apply to anyone who's an all-star. Those two aren't even that, yet.

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[King_B_Mack]

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Here we go with this **** lol these NBA reporters was creaming themselves waiting for the Bucks to get eliminated so they could get to this moment.




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[cima]

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Kind of a weird thing to do though, no?

I just feel like in today's world, especially someone of his caliber, it's hard to unknowingly troll if that makes sense. Like I think he's trolling and if he wasn't trolling, I feel like he would be aware what he's doing would get people talking.

Edit: It sounds like he's unfollowed everyone other than his own family. So yeah this is nothing.

[DieHardYankee26]

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Apparently he did it last offseason too.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Jalen Ramsey unfollowed the Rams on social media and then re-upped on a 5 year deal with them a few days later.

This infatuation that people have with who players follow/unfollow on social media is just weird AF.

[cima]

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I at least hope these people have a bot that tells them about the follows/unfollows cause that's way less weird than literally manually checking a dude's page and keeping tabs on the follows/unfollows

[DieHardYankee26]

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Posted in the reddit thread https://mobile.twitter.com/NBAFollowAlerts

[Majingir]

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Is Giannis able to re-sign this season or does he have to wait until next offseason?

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Is Giannis able to re-sign this season or does he have to wait until next offseason?

He can re-sign this offseason if he wants to. The Bucks will undoubtedly offer him the supermax this offseason but even if he wants to stay in Milwaukee I doubt he'll sign the supermax. We'll see though.

[itsmb8]

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Not sure if its the case here but the general opinion around the country is that Giannis should leave Milwaukee... But why? The dude will be a MVP for the second straight season, is regarded as AT LEAST a top 3 player in the NBA, and Shaq himself has given the Superman title to him. So he's obviously a top tier superstar. But whenever there's a top tier superstar that is struggling in the playoffs, everyone says they need more help, and get mad when they jump ship, right? Happened with LeBron, happened with KD, happened with Kawhi (kinda). Harden struggles and everyone says he needs more help. Sorta happened with Westbrook. Dame struggles and people want him to get help. Like, these superstars left, right, and center struggle and everyone kinda agrees that they need more help, but when it comes to Giannis, everyone just kinda dismisses him and says "he's a fraud, he cant be a #1, he needs to go team up with other players elsewhere." But WHY??? Like, why cant the narrative just be "he needs more help in Milwaukee?" Instead of him going to team up with guys in Toronto, or Golden State, or Miami, or wherever, why cant the narrative be "these guys struggling like Lavine, or Booker, or Dame, etc. go team up with Giannis in Milwaukee? Giannis would be the #1 wherever he went, so its not that. Bud, while he needs to adjust in the playoffs, is still a great coach, so its not that. The front-office drafted Donte and has still put together a decent team around him already, so its not that (Brogdon shot 43/32/89 this season, is constantly hurt, and improved his PPG average by 1 point, so dont ever go there). Bucks fans pack the arena every night and adore Giannis, so it isnt that. The Bucks have some top facilities, so its not that either. Honestly the only thing you could POSSIBLY think of is "well, its Milwaukee, and Milwaukee is a small market." Milwaukee may be a small market, but it's literally an hour drive from Chicago.

Tl;DR: I really dont understand why everyone thinks why Milwaukee doesnt deserve Giannis.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Tl;DR: I really dont understand why everyone thinks why Milwaukee doesnt deserve Giannis.

I don't think it's so much that people think Milwaukee doesn't deserve Giannis. It's a lot of factors.

1. There's a set of fans that likes to see stars stick with one team for their career, but I think most people probably prefer chaos and want to see players moving around a lot.

2. Milwaukee is a small market. Media and fans want the stars in big markets.

3. People have a really hard time believing a player could actually like Milwaukee, or more importantly, like it more than a place like NYC, LA, Miami, etc.

4. People genuinely think he'd have a better chance of winning elsewhere because he's now fallen short two years in a row.

5. There's 29 other franchises out there and fans like to troll so you have 29 fan bases doing that.

Probably other reasons as well, but those are the main ones. I think #4 is pretty debatable but the rest are just more or less sports psychology. Milwaukee's drafting record since taking Giannis is embarrassingly bad. They also had to trade draft picks to get off bad contracts from when John Hammond was the GM, which has resulted in a pretty bare collection of picks for the next couple years. The bad drafting has also caused the Bucks to rely on old vets taking cheap contracts to try to ring chase in Milwaukee, which has resulted in Milwaukee having one of the oldest rosters in the league. The only players really worth anything that are under 30 on this team are Middleton (29), Giannis (25), and Donte (23). So Milwaukee is in kind of a tough spot. They're contenders as is, but obviously feeling pressure to make at least one big move to put the team over the top. But if they do make a big move, it may make them even more dependent on old players, at which point it probably makes it a more uncertain future for Giannis in Milwaukee. If they try to get younger to set themselves up better for the long-term with Giannis, they may have to sacrifice contending for a title in the short-term, in which case Giannis might get tired of waiting and leave.

Long story short, Milwaukee's failures to draft young talent has put them in a tough spot where they have to really thread the needle to be a contender in both the short and long-term.

The other options out there have their own questions as well.

Miami - They've ridden great playoff runs from Jimmy Butler and Goran Dragic to get to the ECF this year, but Jimmy is 31 with a lengthy injury history, and Dragic could be toast pretty soon. Miami's draft pick situation is worse than Milwaukee's (though they do a better job of identifying talent than Milwaukee so they might still be better off in this regard). They'll have cap room in 2021 but they'll have to use basically all of it on Giannis himself, so they won't be in a much better position to sign guys than Milwaukee. So basically, Miami's case to being a better winning situation than Milwaukee relies on the development of Bam, Herro, and Duncan. I'm not really sure that's any better than what Milwaukee has.

Toronto - Their case to be the best fit for Giannis ultimately relies on Lowry, Gasol, and Ibaka being gone by the time Giannis goes there (or taking contracts for very very little money). In order to maintain a max slot for Giannis, the supporting cast they can currently put around him would be: Pascal Siakam (arguably a poor fit with Giannis but they could flip him for other better fitting pieces), OG Anunoby, Norman Powell, Terrence Davis, Matt Thomas, a couple late 1st round picks, and maybe FVV if they're lucky. Is that really a better situation than what Milwaukee can offer? Probably depends on what they end up doing with Siakam.

Golden State - Doesn't really seem worth discussing for now. The only real way they likely get Giannis is via trade, which at least for now doesn't seem to be on the table. I also just don't really buy Giannis wanting to go there but that's just me.

LA Clippers - Same deal as Golden State. They've been rumored to be one of the main 5 teams that will pursue Giannis but it doesn't seem yet that Giannis will seek a trade and if he does, I'm not sure the Clippers make the best offer out there anyways.

Dallas - Dallas is, to me, the best potential destination for Giannis (assuming he leaves). The case is pretty simple; Luka is incredible. Short of a trade to Golden State or LA, I think Luka is pretty easily the best potential teammate Giannis can play with. A healthy Porzingis would be a great C to have next to Giannis as well (though his injury history is pretty concerning at this point so there's a chance this situation doesn't look as rosy as it currently does). If Porzingis stays healthy, that's a pretty incredible trio right there that they can build around.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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D’Antoni not coming back as Rockets’ HC.