2020 Offseason Thread

[roadman]

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If Giannis resigns then I guess that's all that matters and the deal is worth it. In general though I don't like what they are doing. Their moves the last few years were filled with selling off picks to save $ and bad draft picks. Heck they are still paying John Leuer and Larry Sanders. It's easy to say you will pay the luxury tax now when your trying to get him to sign. Let's see if that's still the case after 5 years of paying it.

Their starting lineup is set on paper, but the bench is awful. Your entire 2nd unit is going to be people on vet min contracts. They also don't have a playmaking G so seems like a lot of pressure on Giannis again. You have a coach who doesn't like playing starters big minutes. Correct me If I'm wrong, but I don't think shooting and defense was a problem last year.

Lets see what happens with a extension with Jrue, but he is a FA at the end of the year. I don't see the draft picks/swaps amounting to much still thats a lot for a role player on the final year of his deal. Its going to be hard for them to improve in future trades as they won't have many draft picks to add to any deal. They still owe a '22 1st to the Cavs.

I knew about the Jrue trade before bed, but wake up to Bogdag on the team. First, I agree with aerobee, some of this wouldn't happened by signing Brogdon.

Fortifying the now for sacrificing the future? If Giannis signs, the Jrue trade is a good trade.

I thought Jrue signed a 5 year contract in 2018, so, I don't think it's a expiring this year.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Judging from the returns on Holiday and Ariza, Marks needs commit to LeVert, Allen, Prince now.

No need to have this dangling over their heads all season long or waiting this out either and possibly missing out on other opportunities that arise over the season.

[georgiafan]

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He has a 27 million player option for the 21/22 season which he has already said he would be declining.

It looks like on valentines day he would be eligible to sign a 4 year and $135 extension. I know when Atlanta was rumored I heard something about a 2 year option as well.

I knew about the Jrue trade before bed, but wake up to Bogdag on the team. First, I agree with aerobee, some of this wouldn't happened by signing Brogdon.

Fortifying the now for sacrificing the future? If Giannis signs, the Jrue trade is a good trade.

I thought Jrue signed a 5 year contract in 2018, so, I don't think it's a expiring this year.

Bobby Marks made it sounds like the MLE wasn't a option anymore, but if they still have that it would give them a 6th man. You can never have to many shooters around him and they lost several shooters yesterday.

I know the draft is heavy on PG's in the 2nd round so buying one of them in the early to mid 2nd round would make sense.

I don't personally think shooting was the single biggest issue, but generally it seems like that's the consensus opinion and Bogdanovic helps in that regard a lot.

Milwaukee also still has the MLE and BAE and could theoretically buy draft picks if they want (and obviously if teams are willing to sell them). I don't think filling out the bench will be an issue, at least for this upcoming season. Things will get more complicated once Giannis, Holiday, and Bogdanovic are making more money.

[Majingir]

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*** ****.... Props to these guys! I haven't even left Brooklyn yet in my life. Like lived some else for more than a month lol.

What's crazy is that he also has a shot to break the record for a single league.

Edwin Jackson in MLB played on 14 teams. I believe that's the record.

Smith at 11 right now, it's very possible to get to 15.

[cima]

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[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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He has a 27 million player option for the 21/22 season which he has already said he would be declining.

It looks like on valentines day he would be eligible to sign a 4 year and $135 extension. I know when Atlanta was rumored I heard something about a 2 year option as well.






Bobby Marks made it sounds like the MLE wasn't a option anymore, but if they still have that it would give them a 6th man. You can never have to many shooters around him and they lost several shooters yesterday.

I know the draft is heavy on PG's in the 2nd round so buying one of them in the early to mid 2nd round would make sense.

The Bucks almost certainly cannot use the full $9+ mil MLE while staying under the hard-cap (though it depends on what Bogdanovic's salary is and whether or not we get out of Jon Leuer's contract), but we can definitely use a portion of it (probably at least $5 mil).

Who are the several shooters that Milwaukee lost? Hill obviously, but the rest are not shooters (or in Donte's case, not yet). Basically one good shooter out and one good shooter in.

[roadman]

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I just saw this on my timeline from a Celtic blogger, Keith Smith:

General consensus from those around the NBA is that Milwaukee made the Holiday trade with a commitment from Giannis to sign the super max. Multiple versions of "You can't do that without Giannis already locked in" were said to me tonight.

[cima]

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Am I the only one who thinks hauling in all these draft picks that people seem to be obsessing over is becoming overrated? Like everyone is praising OKC and NOLA for all the draft picks they have...big ****ing whoop? I saw a meme this morning about how "David Griffin flipped AD and Jrue Holiday into six first round picks and all the Lakers young core/Bledsoe/Hill" and my reaction is that's cool, AD just won a ****ing ring and Jrue Holiday has a real chance too while you're stuck with mostly meh young talent and draft picks that aren't guaranteed to produce ****...

Like I get the return is nice for having to part with a disgruntled superstar...but the bigger issue is you had a superstar and they didn't wanna be there anymore...no amount of draft picks changes that fact and it could happen to the next superstar you land, if you're lucky enough to.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Side note this cap or no cap Harden conspiracy is exactly the kind of shenanigans I love about the NBA fan base.

Nothing unites a fan base like Black People Slang/Culture

[DieHardYankee26]

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Am I the only one who thinks hauling in all these draft picks that people seem to be obsessing over is becoming overrated? Like everyone is praising OKC and NOLA for all the draft picks they have...big ****ing whoop? I saw a meme this morning about how "David Griffin flipped AD and Jrue Holiday into six first round picks and all the Lakers young core/Bledsoe/Hill" and my reaction is that's cool, AD just won a ****ing ring and Jrue Holiday has a real chance too while you're stuck with mostly meh young talent and draft picks that aren't guaranteed to produce ****...



Like I get the return is nice for having to part with a disgruntled superstar...but the bigger issue is you had a superstar and they didn't wanna be there anymore...no amount of draft picks changes that fact and it could happen to the next superstar you land, if you're lucky enough to.

I don’t get your point. AD was going to walk. Jrue was taking up cap space and they weren’t going anywhere. What do you suggest as the alternative?

[cima]

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I don’t get your point. AD was going to walk. Jrue was taking up cap space and they weren’t going anywhere. What do you suggest as the alternative?

I'm not really suggesting an alternative. I just think hauling draft picks is overvalued, look at all those picks Ainge hauled in over the years but it didn't get them to the NBA Finals and now it looks like there's quite a few teams better than them in the EC. Obviously they're still young and they're competitive but the praise Ainge used to garner you'd think they would've at least made it to the Finals by now.

It just seems like Presti on OKC and Griffin are getting tons of praises for getting all these draft picks...who cares though if it doesn't win titles? Correct me if I'm wrong but has a title been won by a team that constructed the key players of their roster via acquiring tons of draft picks?

[ProfessaPackMan]

2020 Offseason Thread

Hauling assets is never a bad thing nor is it overrated. It just depends on what you do with them in regards to building your team.

FWIW, I’ve been saying the same about Ainge for awhile but I was the bitter Nets fan apparently, lol.

[ojandpizza]

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Picks become overrated only when you keep them and draft a player who isn't that good. Otherwise they are the best asset to have in the NBA.

[georgiafan]

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I 100% agree with you I don't get what the Pelicans are doing it reminds me of some NBA 2K YouTube rebuilds not paying attention to the details. Every decision they make should be how does this person fit with Zion. It seems like the are just collection assets without a plan.

For months I heard how Jrue had to be traded because it made no sense to pay a 30 year old with their young core. The best player they get back in return is the same age as him and your paying him longer and at a high price. He also plays the same position as Ball so I'm not sure how those two fit together. Bledsoe is a fine player he isn't moving the needle in anyway and is a downgrade from what you had. Those bucks pick aren't going to be in the lottery.

They also have to decide really soon what they have in Ball. Because your either going to have to trade him or pay him 15 million per year. I assume they will just pay Ingram the max this offseason.

Yea It sounds good on twitter they got 6 1st round picks and the swaps. However unless something crazy happens those picks from LA and Milwaukee will be in the 20's. It seems like they are trying to straddle the fence between collecting assets and wining now.

Am I the only one who thinks hauling in all these draft picks that people seem to be obsessing over is becoming overrated? Like everyone is praising OKC and NOLA for all the draft picks they have...big ****ing whoop? I saw a meme this morning about how "David Griffin flipped AD and Jrue Holiday into six first round picks and all the Lakers young core/Bledsoe/Hill" and my reaction is that's cool, AD just won a ****ing ring and Jrue Holiday has a real chance too while you're stuck with mostly meh young talent and draft picks that aren't guaranteed to produce ****...

Like I get the return is nice for having to part with a disgruntled superstar...but the bigger issue is you had a superstar and they didn't wanna be there anymore...no amount of draft picks changes that fact and it could happen to the next superstar you land, if you're lucky enough to.

[ojandpizza]

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look at all those picks Ainge hauled in over the years but it didn't get them to the NBA Finals and now it looks like there's quite a few teams better than them in the EC. Obviously they're still young and they're competitive but the praise Ainge used to garner you'd think they would've at least made it to the Finals by now.

It's not really that simple. Ainge wasn't going to make a finals with not trading those guys either, just like the Pelicans weren't going to with having AD. OKC wasn't going to win a championship with Paul George, etc.

The Boston trade specifically has too many moving parts to track it all at this point but just off the top of my head at one point it lead to them having Tatum, Brown, and Kyrie. They didn't win a ring but many people thought they could have, and that's a better position than 90% of the league.

If Boston at any point wins a title win Tatum on the roster that trade was a good trade for them. Regardless of how many years it takes them to get to the finals.