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  • Yeah...THAT Guy
    Once in a Lifetime Memory
    • Dec 2006
    • 17294

    #316
    Re: NBA Draft 2021

    Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
    So what young players are folks gassing up this year?

    I’ve watched 0% of College Hoops so I don’t know who is good and who’s not other than who yall and the experts be gassing up just because, lol
    Seems like there's generally a consensus top 4 of Cunningham (widely expected to be #1), Evan Mobley (big man that reminds people of Chris Bosh), Jalen Suggs (PG with good size, athleticism, and all the instincts you look for), and Jalen Green (G-League guy that gets comped to Zach LaVine fairly often).

    I'd throw Scottie Barnes in that group as well; John Hollinger compares him to SD State/Early Spurs Kawhi but I'm not sure I really see that personally. Extremely versatile defender, good finisher around the rim, and a good playmaker for others though. His shot is pretty atrocious at this point in time.

    Some other people would put Jonathan Kuminga in that group. I think he's the youngest prospect in the draft or close to it and he has the perfect frame for a big wing, but he shot like absolute crap at all three levels in the G-League and I'm not sure he's particularly good in any area right now. Those that are high on him view him as potentially a three-level scorer with elite defense but he's none of those things at the moment.

    And for my yearly Euro prospect shoutout:

    John Hollinger recently moved Alperen Sengun (big man) up ahead of the two Jalen's on his big board. Sengun won MVP of the Turkish pro league and is only 18 years old. I'm really curious to see how he turns out. The track record of Euro teens that are this good this early is very good and his repertoire of post moves is as advanced for a draft prospect as I can remember seeing in a long time. Honestly, it's advanced compared to nearly anybody in the NBA. I wouldn't really say he's an under-the-rim finisher; he dunks a ton, but he's not very explosive without a full head of steam; doesn't elevate well out of his post moves, but he fakes people out so regularly/draws fouls a ton so it hasn't limited his offensive game much yet, though TBD against NBA athletes. Smart and gifted passer too, so if his post game translates, he's going to be able to pick defenses apart. He's not the freak of nature passer that Jokic is, but if his post moves translate against NBA defenders, it's not hard to envision him as at worst a team's #2 option offensively. He averaged 19 and 9 per game (24 and 12 per 36) on 72% TS%.

    In terms of shooting, he shoots a set shot and doesn't shoot it well, but his free throw numbers are good and he shows great touch around the rim, so those that are high on him believe he'll eventually be able to stretch the floor.

    Defensively, he's going to get cooked on switches if he doesn't become a better athlete/doesn't improve his defensive footwork in the NBA. He's really slow to change directions on the defensive end to hang with perimeter oriented players and might not be big enough to deal with the bigger centers in the league either. Having said that, he has a nice feel for drop coverage, protecting the rim with verticality and baiting guards into pocket passes that he can get his hands on. He also loves to box dudes out at both ends of the floor. It's a bit like both the good and bad of watching Brook Lopez defensively, but he's only 6'10" and doesn't seem to have a great wingspan either, though I haven't seen an official wingspan on him.

    It's really going to boil down to the post game for him (and maybe stretching his shot out to the 3 point line). If it translates and he can actually be a go-to guy offensively, his team will probably be able to live with his defensive shortcomings. If not, he could just end up being a less black-holey Enes Kanter or Luis Scola or something.

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    • DieHardYankee26
      BING BONG
      • Feb 2008
      • 10178

      #317
      Re: NBA Draft 2021

      From what I’ve read, I feel like we’re going to end up with Sharife and Duarte. We need a guard who can distribute and he can’t shoot so he fits right in, and Klay-lite coming in ready to play just sounds like a Thibs guy and possibly a solid Bullock replacement.
      Originally posted by G Perico
      If I ain't got it, then I gotta take it
      I can't hide who I am, baby I'm a gangster
      In the Rolls Royce, steppin' on a mink rug
      The clique just a gang of bosses that linked up

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      • King_B_Mack
        All Star
        • Jan 2009
        • 24450

        #318
        Re: NBA Draft 2021

        Originally posted by DieHardYankee26
        I just looked at the list of biggest free agent signings in Bulls history. [emoji23] Find a new slant.
        For what? Your team still sucks at it regardless. While you were researching, did you happen to check on how many missed postseasons and first round exits your boys have had in the last 20 years? Spoiler it's a lot. A lot more than the Bulls so yeah I stand by my statements.

        Originally posted by cima
        Who's the last big FA the Bulls signed?
        If you'll direct your attention to most of my Bulls posts most recently yesterday in this thread, I know full well no big free agents are signing here and I say that all the time. Unfortunately I have to wait for my team to make the moves to get good. I don't get to follow around players to good teams like some people here do...oh wait, that's you.

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        • ehh
          Hall Of Fame
          • Mar 2003
          • 28962

          #319
          Re: NBA Draft 2021

          Originally posted by illwill10
          I don't know why I can't get into College Hoops like I can with College Football(not as recently)
          Because college basketball is a horrible product lol. I wouldn't watch anything beyond UConn games it if weren't for armchair scouting of NBA prospects.

          I haven't watched College Hoops last couple seasons. I don't know why, but Suggs give me Napier vibes. From the mock drafts evaluations, if I'm drafting someone in top 5, I want someone with an elite skill
          Suggs is much bigger and much more athletic than Napier. Plus three years younger entering the league. I like him, but I'm still unsure of where to put him in the Top 5.


          I can't believe the Cavs got lucky again.

          The Raptors got lucky, and HOU didn't get screwed. These teams that have gone on nice runs, have one down year and get a nice reward, while the Knicks have mired in hell for 20 years with zero lottery luck. SMH.
          "You make your name in the regular season, and your fame in the postseason." - Clyde Frazier

          "Beware of geeks bearing formulas." - Warren Buffet

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          • cima
            Hall Of Fame
            • Sep 2004
            • 13478

            #320
            Re: NBA Draft 2021

            I don't follow around players, I've followed one player around since 2001.

            Just giving you a hard time since you randomly came at me over PG13 =)

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            • ehh
              Hall Of Fame
              • Mar 2003
              • 28962

              #321
              Re: NBA Draft 2021

              Originally posted by DieHardYankee26
              From what I’ve read, I feel like we’re going to end up with Sharife and Duarte. We need a guard who can distribute and he can’t shoot so he fits right in, and Klay-lite coming in ready to play just sounds like a Thibs guy and possibly a solid Bullock replacement.
              I'm so desperate for a playmaker that I'd be fine with Cooper even though he can't shoot a lick. At least he's a good FT shooter, that gives me hope for the future. He's probably my #1 target but I have a feeling he's going to go earlier than expected. We may have to trade up if we want him.

              There are a ton of guys in our range that I like and who I think can be good role players. Hopefully we hit on both picks if we don't trade up, but I think we're going to try to move up to the late lottery. Looking at past drafts, 19 & 21 might get us to the 12-14 range.
              "You make your name in the regular season, and your fame in the postseason." - Clyde Frazier

              "Beware of geeks bearing formulas." - Warren Buffet

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              • DieHardYankee26
                BING BONG
                • Feb 2008
                • 10178

                #322
                Re: NBA Draft 2021

                Originally posted by King_B_Mack
                For what? Your team still sucks at it regardless. While you were researching, did you happen to check on how many missed postseasons and first round exits your boys have had in the last 20 years? Spoiler it's a lot. A lot more than the Bulls so yeah I stand by my statements.
                Congrats, I think the Norfolk Tides are looking for a new manager. What do I care that your squad got bulldozed year after year in the playoffs? I’ve never wanted that.
                Originally posted by G Perico
                If I ain't got it, then I gotta take it
                I can't hide who I am, baby I'm a gangster
                In the Rolls Royce, steppin' on a mink rug
                The clique just a gang of bosses that linked up

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                • King_B_Mack
                  All Star
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 24450

                  #323
                  Re: NBA Draft 2021

                  Originally posted by cima
                  I don't follow around players, I've followed one player around since 2001.

                  Just giving you a hard time since you randomly came at me over PG13 =)
                  Oh I know. Just throwing out haymakers wildly man lol.

                  Look you know no matter how chippy it gets sometimes with us, it's all love man. Respect the hell out of you and I'm happy the OS basketball forum has you. We're like Joker and Batman though. Or Peter Griffin and the Chicken lol. We just gonna go at it more often than not

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                  • King_B_Mack
                    All Star
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 24450

                    #324
                    Re: NBA Draft 2021

                    Originally posted by DieHardYankee26
                    Congrats, I think the Norfolk Tides are looking for a new manager. What do I care that your squad got bulldozed year after year in the playoffs? I’ve never wanted that.
                    Yeah you're right. Having all of summer AND spring free of basketball watching commitments would probably be better. You've opened my eyes good sir. I thank you for your sage wisdom. A lifetime of basketball irrelevance has trained you perfectly for your craft.

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                    • jeebs9
                      Fear is the Unknown
                      • Oct 2008
                      • 47568

                      #325
                      Re: NBA Draft 2021

                      Originally posted by King_B_Mack
                      Yeah you're right. Having all of summer AND spring free of basketball watching commitments would probably be better. You've opened my eyes good sir. I thank you for your sage wisdom. A lifetime of basketball irrelevance has trained you perfectly for your craft.
                      Originally posted by DieHardYankee26
                      Congrats, I think the Norfolk Tides are looking for a new manager. What do I care that your squad got bulldozed year after year in the playoffs? I’ve never wanted that.
                      Man you guys are on fire lately [emoji23].

                      I got to say Cade to the Pistons. They need it.
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                      • DieHardYankee26
                        BING BONG
                        • Feb 2008
                        • 10178

                        #326
                        Re: NBA Draft 2021

                        Originally posted by King_B_Mack
                        Yeah you're right. Having all of summer AND spring free of basketball watching commitments would probably be better. You've opened my eyes good sir. I thank you for your sage wisdom. A lifetime of basketball irrelevance has trained you perfectly for your craft.

                        Spoiler



                        **** Dolan getting $500 per seat in the playoffs and **** the bosses.
                        Originally posted by G Perico
                        If I ain't got it, then I gotta take it
                        I can't hide who I am, baby I'm a gangster
                        In the Rolls Royce, steppin' on a mink rug
                        The clique just a gang of bosses that linked up

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                        • ProfessaPackMan
                          Bamma
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 63852

                          #327
                          Re: NBA Draft 2021

                          Originally posted by DieHardYankee26
                          I just looked at the list of biggest free agent signings in Bulls history. [emoji23] Find a new slant.
                          One of the most expensive teams in Sports.

                          One playoff series win in this century.

                          I got your back, King. [emoji1478]
                          #RespectTheCulture

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                          • Majingir
                            Moderator
                            • Apr 2005
                            • 47584

                            #328
                            Re: NBA Draft 2021

                            Raptors gave the typical answer when asked about the pick.

                            They'll explore all options including trading it for a player.

                            With that said, given their need at C, who might be the best C they could realistically get for the 4th pick?

                            Too bad KAT couldn't be had. I would've loved doing a Siakam + 4th + ? For KAT

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                            • ProfessaPackMan
                              Bamma
                              • Mar 2008
                              • 63852

                              #329
                              Re: NBA Draft 2021

                              And I’m sure Minnesota would’ve loved laughing at that proposal also.
                              #RespectTheCulture

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                              • King_B_Mack
                                All Star
                                • Jan 2009
                                • 24450

                                #330
                                Re: NBA Draft 2021

                                A picture of a Knicks conference finals ticket in the last 2 decades?
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