2021 Offseason Thread

[jeebs9]

Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

Then you have this from more "sources"...



https://twitter.com/AaronJFentress/s...94549277954049

Oh man that's even worst. I'm just not good at off season. I hate this nonsense [emoji1787]. I'm going back to the draft thread [emoji23] jk.

I could only imagine Dame phone must be blowing up right now. Either way.

[georgiafan]

Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

If I am Portland I would look seriously at a deal with Denver around Murray. This allows them to tank for a year with him out for the year and and a top draft pick next year. You can also go ahead and get quality players for CJ and Roco.

[The Chef]

Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

If I am Portland I would look seriously at a deal with Denver around Murray. This allows them to tank for a year with him out for the year and and a top draft pick next year. You can also go ahead and get quality players for CJ and Roco.

If I'm Portland I don't trade Dame period, I look to deal CJ and get someone defensively oriented who can compliment Dame unlike CJ. I see no logic in signing a head coach with zero head coaching experience, who has a relationship with Dame, and then strip the team down, trade away the best player they have, watch Nurkic leave as well as he's already on record as saying if Dame leaves so is he, only to then fire Billups in a couple years when the team fails to go anywhere with mediocre parts to work with. I'm obviously a little biased since I'm a Portland fan but dealing away Dame would be terrible unless Dame decides to go the James Harden route and sabotage everything.

[georgiafan]

Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

If I'm Portland I don't trade Dame period, I look to deal CJ and get someone defensively oriented who can compliment Dame unlike CJ. I see no logic in signing a head coach with zero head coaching experience, who has a relationship with Dame, and then strip the team down, trade away the best player they have, watch Nurkic leave as well as he's already on record as saying if Dame leaves so is he, only to then fire Billups in a couple years when the team fails to go anywhere with mediocre parts to work with. I'm obviously a little biased since I'm a Portland fan but dealing away Dame would be terrible unless Dame decides to go the James Harden route and sabotage everything.

I get what your saying however the player always wins in these battles with the team in the NBA. Its a near identical situation to Harden and Houston last year when you look at the big picture.

[The Chef]

Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

I get what your saying however the player always wins in these battles with the team in the NBA. Its a near identical situation to Harden and Houston last year when you look at the big picture.

I wouldn't go that far, Dame himself has been quiet and hasn't said anything. Harden refused to show and then when he did he looked like he had obliterated a Golden Corral somewhere on his way. He threw teammates under the bus and basically did whatever he could to get out of town. The only similarity to date is Houston hired a new coach prior and Portland just hired a new one as well.

[cima]

Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

So Dame just said it's "not true" but he also said he hasn't made a firm decision on what his future will be so...

[DieHardYankee26]

Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

Basically the same “build a winner or trade me to one” threat people expected him to be making.

[jeebs9]

Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

So Dame just said it's "not true" but he also said he hasn't made a firm decision on what his future will be so...

https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/s...032862213?s=20

Leaving the door open [emoji23]

[ojandpizza]

Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

Listen if the Lakers get to be in on every superstar trade that’s happening with a couple paper clips and toilet paper to offer then I don’t want to hear about the Bulls needing to trade Zach Lavine to have a chance in any trades spiel.


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Part of that is Dame likely actually wanting to be there, but also if sign and trades become a viable option the Lakers don’t have paper clips and toilet paper.

Trez is at 23 and 9 per 36 over the past 4 seasons. Each of those years a higher PER than what LaVine had this past season. Vogel yanking him out of their rotation for defense and refusing to give him any minutes at the 4 doesn’t mean he’s not been a better player than anyone the Bulls could offer for the past 3-4 years consistently now. He would immediately be the best “big” on Portland’s roster and even slotted back at that 6th man role would be a substantial upgrade to Kanter off the bench.

Kuz is 19/7/2 per 36 over his career. He plays the same position as Bron and AD and hasn’t been able to make that mix fit but he’s going to produce elsewhere. I don’t think he’ll be an All-Star like he seems to think, but he’s also been better than any of the Bulls trade chips, except maybe Williams pending potential. He’s just starters minutes and some touches away from being a 20+ a night guy, something White/Lauri can’t do on even a lottery team.

Schroder same thing. 20 and 7 per 36 over the past 7 season now with solid defense. He’s not an amazing lead guard, not worth the contract he wants, and I personally think 6th man is perfect for him, but he’s still a better player than anyone the Bulls can offer.

That is 3 20 a night level players who could all 3 realistically be starters for Portland immediately after the trade.

Then of course THT, I don’t see it but apparently league GMs think he’s worth a ton of money.. I don’t think the Lakers can sign and trade both him and Schroder is THT is really going to get the money some people think he could. But if he’s a big trade chip like some suggest then most likely trade would be Harrell/Kuz/THT & 2 first round picks while letting Schroder walk.

Not saying the Lakers have the best package, but that’s substantially more than anything Chicago can offer and if Portland decides to stay relevant and try to “win” rather then rebuild it might be better than what most other teams will offer as well. If GS wants him I don’t see someone topping that, maybe a Simmons swap is 2nd. But Chicago without LaVine is wayyy down that list unless they give up Davis/Paul George pick haul and nobody else does.


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[Vni]

Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

The per36 stat really comes in handy when you're trying to trade for a superstar and you only have garbage to give in exchange. Well done OJ.

[ojandpizza]

Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

The per36 really comes in handy when you're trying to trade for a superstar and you only have garbage to give in exchange.

Those are all guys capable of playing starters minutes which makes the per 36 relevant though. Kuz on his career averages 30 minutes a night, Harrell 23 with the Lakers 27 his last two years with the Clipps, Schroder over 30 the past 5 seasons.. these aren’t guys playing 8 minutes that I’m using per 36 to boost them to some unrealistic number. Schroder, Kuz, Harrell have all 3 already had 19ppg seasons without even using the per 36 metric.


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[jfsolo]

Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

The per36 stat really comes in handy when you're trying to trade for a superstar and you only have garbage to give in exchange. Well done OJ.

Why can't OJ be the Blazers owner and or GM, Dame to Lakers indeed.

[ojandpizza]

Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

I mean those were 3 of the top 6 minute guys on a team that was 3 games out of first place before LeBron went down. 3 guys all capable of being 20 a night guys. If this was the 3rd, 4th, 5th best players on any other contender it wouldn’t be considered trash but because Kuz struggles to fill Bron and AD’s shoes or otherwise just stands in the corner, and Vogel picked Drummond over Trez it’s now “trash”? I don’t think that’s a trash haul at all, it’s better than what they traded for AD imo.


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[Vni]

Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

You can stop OJ you are definately the man for the job. You're hired.


Now get in touch with Portland's GM.

[illwill10]

Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

I don't see Portland trading Dame and forcing a rebuild. But at the same time, what move can they make that turns them into a legit contender, that also satisfies Dame? Not sure how they cap situation is, but this isn't a top heavy Free Agent Class and just bringing in a few pieces, isn't going to move the needle. Pretty much have to swing for a superstar trade. But, who is CJ McCollum going to bring in. It would have to be a CJ, Simons, and multiple firsts for a superstar.

It's hard for Portland since they haven't really hit on picks. They have contracts that can be good assets in trades. But likely have to package picks as well. So, it becomes mortgage your future to get a superstar player or trade your franchise player and force a rebuild.