Apparently their owner is trying to sell the team and doesn’t want to do anything to lower the value, so I’m not even sure how much choice he has.
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Apparently their owner is trying to sell the team and doesn’t want to do anything to lower the value, so I’m not even sure how much choice he has.Originally posted by G PericoIf I ain't got it, then I gotta take it
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And how consistent of a shooter/scorer is Dame without the volume of getting 20 shots and 10 threes a night? Like even if they land a star next to him either that star is going to become less effective or Dame as a result of less touches. He has never been, or shown at least, to be a great off ball player.
Hypothetically even if they could swing CJ for something like Beal, LaVine, are they really much better? They would still have all the same weaknesses they do before the trade.
Portland is a weird team. At time they look good enough to contend, and year after year they add new pieces. They add all these defensive guys and are still *** on that end. Some of it might be coaching, but at the same time it just seems like something with the unit never clicks. And it almost feels like the more they lean on Dame he looks more like a scoring champ type of guy the worse they look overall as a team. It’s a really odd spot.
Could they get something like Turner and Brogdon? Bogdanovic and Hunter, THJ and Porzingis, Jimmy Butler, Paul George, are any of those even realistic. Do any of them even get Portland close enough to looking like a contender to appease Dame?
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Another thing is what is CJ without Dame? Could he see a scoring uptick. You got to pair him with a bigger defensive combo guard. Can he flourish with more on ball responsibilities. I don't know if he is a player I'm trading an A level player for. I would trade Tobias for CJ. But you're getting a better version of Seth Curry, so I'm not sure how much that helps.And how consistent of a shooter/scorer is Dame without the volume of getting 20 shots and 10 threes a night? Like even if they land a star next to him either that star is going to become less effective or Dame as a result of less touches. He has never been, or shown at least, to be a great off ball player.
Hypothetically even if they could swing CJ for something like Beal, LaVine, are they really much better? They would still have all the same weaknesses they do before the trade.
Portland is a weird team. At time they look good enough to contend, and year after year they add new pieces. They add all these defensive guys and are still *** on that end. Some of it might be coaching, but at the same time it just seems like something with the unit never clicks. And it almost feels like the more they lean on Dame he looks more like a scoring champ type of guy the worse they look overall as a team. It’s a really odd spot.
Could they get something like Turner and Brogdon? Bogdanovic and Hunter, THJ and Porzingis, Jimmy Butler, Paul George, are any of those even realistic. Do any of them even get Portland close enough to looking like a contender to appease Dame?
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Portland is in a tough spot. Good team, but not good enough to likely get out of the 2nd round at best. Isn't a free agent destination. Don't have good young assets. CJ alone isn't enough to get you an A level player.Comment
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I think we can all agree Portland doesn’t have a realistic move they can make to mask them a championship level team next year. Since all their problems seems to be on the defense end. I’ve not looked closely at their cap sheet, but I think they have to pay Nurkic and Powell this year summer and DJJ I assume will opt in.Retro Redemption - Starting over with a oldschool PowerBone Offense
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Powell and DJJ has Player Options. All they really have is the 9.5 MLE and Bi-annual Exception. And if they use more than more than 5.9 mill of the 9.5 mill, it'll hard cap them.I think we can all agree Portland doesn’t have a realistic move they can make to mask them a championship level team next year. Since all their problems seems to be on the defense end. I’ve not looked closely at their cap sheet, but I think they have to pay Nurkic and Powell this year summer and DJJ I assume will opt in.
The main benefit they have is they have tradable contracts and could salary match any Superstar contract. Who would be the best attainable win-now player that makes them a championship contender? Not counting the first round picks, is CJ and Covington bringing in the player Dame would be happy with. Ben Simmons isn't going to make Blazers alongside Dame isn't moving the needle and his fit alongside Nurkic wouldn't work.Comment
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What is this nonsense?
I got to unfollow this ****Hands Down....Man Down - 2k9 memories
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I think that's a joke account for this one
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I just noticed I wasn't even following it. I kept getting alerts for some reason. I just blocked them.Hands Down....Man Down - 2k9 memories
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Man wtf are you talking about. You typed all this nonsense to polish up a bunch of turds for what? The Lakers' trade chips are garbage, if they weren't they wouldn't be trying to move them every year. If you can't make it with LeBron and AD why the hell does any other team want you. Especially a team that would essentially be hitting the button on a full on rebuild? The Lakers substantially more than anything the Bulls can offer? Lmao!! We already know what every single one of those players are already considering they've all been in the league for 5 or more years already with the exception of Kuzma and THT (if he were involved). There's no up for any of them. Y'all can stop trying to make Kuzma a thing. If anything he and Lauri are a wash.Part of that is Dame likely actually wanting to be there, but also if sign and trades become a viable option the Lakers don’t have paper clips and toilet paper.
Trez is at 23 and 9 per 36 over the past 4 seasons. Each of those years a higher PER than what LaVine had this past season. Vogel yanking him out of their rotation for defense and refusing to give him any minutes at the 4 doesn’t mean he’s not been a better player than anyone the Bulls could offer for the past 3-4 years consistently now. He would immediately be the best “big” on Portland’s roster and even slotted back at that 6th man role would be a substantial upgrade to Kanter off the bench.
Kuz is 19/7/2 per 36 over his career. He plays the same position as Bron and AD and hasn’t been able to make that mix fit but he’s going to produce elsewhere. I don’t think he’ll be an All-Star like he seems to think, but he’s also been better than any of the Bulls trade chips, except maybe Williams pending potential. He’s just starters minutes and some touches away from being a 20+ a night guy, something White/Lauri can’t do on even a lottery team.
Schroder same thing. 20 and 7 per 36 over the past 7 season now with solid defense. He’s not an amazing lead guard, not worth the contract he wants, and I personally think 6th man is perfect for him, but he’s still a better player than anyone the Bulls can offer.
That is 3 20 a night level players who could all 3 realistically be starters for Portland immediately after the trade.
Then of course THT, I don’t see it but apparently league GMs think he’s worth a ton of money.. I don’t think the Lakers can sign and trade both him and Schroder is THT is really going to get the money some people think he could. But if he’s a big trade chip like some suggest then most likely trade would be Harrell/Kuz/THT & 2 first round picks while letting Schroder walk.
Not saying the Lakers have the best package, but that’s substantially more than anything Chicago can offer and if Portland decides to stay relevant and try to “win” rather then rebuild it might be better than what most other teams will offer as well. If GS wants him I don’t see someone topping that, maybe a Simmons swap is 2nd. But Chicago without LaVine is wayyy down that list unless they give up Davis/Paul George pick haul and nobody else does.
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Not to mention the Lakers don't have any draft picks to offer for like the next 4 years which is what a team in Portland's situation cares about more than any garbage the Lakers are trying to ship off. Honestly I don't even know why we're doing this. I was just making a joke post comment about Arturas cause I already know it's a pipedream for us to get Dame and if we do have a chance to do it, it has to be getting at least a third team involved to make it happen. You over here writing novels about these dudes that y'all spend the whole year calling trash but want to pluck a superstar with them and trying to sell them as really good pieces. Come on nowComment
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Man wtf are you talking about. You typed all this nonsense to polish up a bunch of turds for what? The Lakers' trade chips are garbage, if they weren't they wouldn't be trying to move them every year. If you can't make it with LeBron and AD why the hell does any other team want you. Especially a team that would essentially be hitting the button on a full on rebuild? The Lakers substantially more than anything the Bulls can offer? Lmao!! We already know what every single one of those players are already considering they've all been in the league for 5 or more years already with the exception of Kuzma and THT (if he were involved). There's no up for any of them. Y'all can stop trying to make Kuzma a thing. If anything he and Lauri are a wash.
Not to mention the Lakers don't have any draft picks to offer for like the next 4 years which is what a team in Portland's situation cares about more than any garbage the Lakers are trying to ship off. Honestly I don't even know why we're doing this. I was just making a joke post comment about Arturas cause I already know it's a pipedream for us to get Dame and if we do have a chance to do it, it has to be getting at least a third team involved to make it happen. You over here writing novels about these dudes that y'all spend the whole year calling trash but want to pluck a superstar with them and trying to sell them as really good pieces. Come on now
They’ve tried to trade Trez and Schroder every year even though this is their first year on the team? That makes sense. I didn’t try to polish up a turd. I stated what all their per 36 numbers were to reflect their likely stats with a bigger role considering they already play/have played close enough minutes to that as is. I didn’t even have to use them, every one of them has averaged 19 a game without using “per 36” so calling them 3 20 a night capable guys isn’t polishing anything. It’s just calling them what they are. I don’t know why me doing so led to people acting like I was hyping trash who can barley crack a rotation and used per 36 to give unrealistic numbers.
Lakers do have a first they can trade, and they can also trade this years first once drafted. The same tactic they used last year to trade that pick to get Schroder. And when have I called any of those 3 guys trash? I spent the whole season saying he should play Trez more, play Kuz more. If anything I was hyping both of them more then any person in here but now I’m the one who called them trash all season? You’ve got the completely wrong guy in the completely wrong season to try and make that argument this time around.
Lauri is probably pretty close to being a wash with Kuz on talent alone. Statically on their careers too. But the difference is Kuz is struggling and not getting as many minutes because he’s behind Bron and AD.. Lauri is losing minutes on a bottom 5 team in the East? To Thad Young, and a rookie who didn’t start in college? With injury history, no playoff experience, and is a worse defender.. tell me 1 reason any team in the league should consider them to have equal value right now?
I do believe Kuz, Trez, Schroder is a better package than the Ingram, Lonzo, Hart package that landed AD. But they do have less picks to give up. Yeah Trez and Schroder likely are what they are, that’s why my post mentioned if they want to stay relevant and not tank, but ya know just yank away the context there.
All I know is regardless of any trade that goes down, when Kuz is moved to a team where he gets a bigger role and he jumps to a 20+ a night guy I want my *** **** RESPECT from everyone in here [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] joking obviously….. sorta
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In all honestly though, Lakers don’t need a player pulling up from halfcourt 5 times a night when they have Bron and AD on the floor.
I think their best case scenario move is moving some combination of Kuz, THT, KCP, and this years pick to land another solid player or two. Keep Trez to play 6th man since they have said they want to play AD at the 5 finally, and maybe even resign Schroder once he realizes he’s not getting anywhere near the money he wants… if not maybe S&T him separately or something. Then use that tax payer MLE on somebody other than Drummond.. like a PJ Tucker, JJ Redick, hell even Otto Porter if that value is down. Sign another Dwight level contribution on a min deal.
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So still typing here… lol
I feel like the Lakers trade does make sense but only “on paper”. Portland could realistically still be a playoff team and possibly gain 3 starters for them in the trade. But I doubt Portland wants to trade Dame to only be a playoff team and not put them in a better spot of pushing closer to a ring. So I’ll backtrack on that. Also I wasn’t really factoring in that Dame has no leverage, it’s no t like his contract is expiring.
I know Dame said he didn’t want to/expect to be traded, but he did basically throw out a build a contender now or sure trade me type of insinuation.. I don’t see how Portland trades anything on their roster to get them above the Jazz, Lakers, Suns, Clippers when Kawhi is back or Nuggets when Murray is back. I don’t think there is a trade they can make for CJ or Nurk or whoever that puts them above any of those teams. And even with trading all the picks they don’t really have the contracts to not trade off CJ to improve. Only pull it out of my *** scenario I can picture would be getting some guy like Bagley and then that guy all of a sudden living up to his pre-draft hype. Unlikely.
With that said, would Portland almost be stupid to not trade him to the Warriors if they did in fact want him? Wiseman, Wiggins for contract purposes (and he just had his best year), 7th pick, 14th pick, and maybe even future firsts/swaps? Or if we are thinking along those lines maybe those 7th and 14th picks go to a 3rd team like Orlando at 5 or something for a shot at Toronto for 4? Meaning Portland could get Wiseman, picks, a player like Wiggins or Siakam maybe depending how that Raptors trade plays out, and a shot at drafting Suggs to replace Dame? That’s pretty solid and honestly sets them up better than they are right now with Dame.
Outside of the Knicks offering up a young pieces and picks type of package like the Lakers used to get AD I can’t think of anything that’s really even close to that. Sixers ain’t getting there with just Ben, that doesn’t get Portland closer to a ring without other moving parts.
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