Age limit

[Raymond]

I dont know if anybody has been paying attention to this. The labor talks between the players and the owners have been going on lately especially after that NHL debacle. The major thing that mite cum out of it is a age limit. The players seem behind it and the owners want it desperately. I agree with the owners. An age limit should be set. I think the NBA should follow the NFL and make the players play college atleast two years. No age limit rules is really destroying basketball. If you look at the teams that have been struggling for a number of years it is because the team is so young and still developing. Everybody always say look at kobe, garnett, mcgrady, and lebron. That is a handful of players compared to the 100's of high schoolers that ruin there life trying to jump to the nba so fast. To me there are 2 things that makes basketball so corney now. Thats way to many young and undeveloped players and no more rivarlies. here is a list of all the high school players and yung guys i could think of that are none factors and i will try and find the high schoolers that didnt make it.

kendrick perkins
tyson chandler
eddy curry (just coming on)
desagana diop
pavel podkolzin
dermarr johnson
rodney white
darko milic
kwame brown
jared jeffries
kris humphries
rob swift
it took rashard lewis awhile to get ok
ndubi ebi
matt barnes
erik daniels
sebastian telfair
travis outlaw
darius miles


i will name a lot more when i get back

[aholbert32]

Re: Age limit

I dont know if anybody has been paying attention to this. The labor talks between the players and the owners have been going on lately especially after that NHL debacle. The major thing that mite cum out of it is a age limit. The players seem behind it and the owners want it desperately. I agree with the owners. An age limit should be set. I think the NBA should follow the NFL and make the players play college atleast two years. No age limit rules is really destroying basketball. If you look at the teams that have been struggling for a number of years it is because the team is so young and still developing. Everybody always say look at kobe, garnett, mcgrady, and lebron. That is a handful of players compared to the 100's of high schoolers that ruin there life trying to jump to the nba so fast. To me there are 2 things that makes basketball so corney now. Thats way to many young and undeveloped players and no more rivarlies. here is a list of all the high school players and yung guys i could think of that are none factors and i will try and find the high schoolers that didnt make it.

kendrick perkins
tyson chandler
eddy curry (just coming on)
desagana diop
pavel podkolzin
dermarr johnson
rodney white
darko milic
kwame brown
jared jeffries
kris humphries
rob swift
it took rashard lewis awhile to get ok
ndubi ebi
matt barnes
erik daniels
sebastian telfair
travis outlaw
darius miles


i will name a lot more when i get back

Every player cant be a superstar...even 4 yr college players become busts or average players. Also, I would argue that Chandler, Curry, Lewis, Jeffries, Miles, Telfair and White are all decent players. Johnson had a broken neck which slowed his development. The rest are rookies who are in their first year and guys who may have not been any good even with college.

[aholbert32]

Re: Age limit

I dont know if anybody has been paying attention to this. The labor talks between the players and the owners have been going on lately especially after that NHL debacle. The major thing that mite cum out of it is a age limit. The players seem behind it and the owners want it desperately. I agree with the owners. An age limit should be set. I think the NBA should follow the NFL and make the players play college atleast two years. No age limit rules is really destroying basketball. If you look at the teams that have been struggling for a number of years it is because the team is so young and still developing. Everybody always say look at kobe, garnett, mcgrady, and lebron. That is a handful of players compared to the 100's of high schoolers that ruin there life trying to jump to the nba so fast. To me there are 2 things that makes basketball so corney now. Thats way to many young and undeveloped players and no more rivarlies. here is a list of all the high school players and yung guys i could think of that are none factors and i will try and find the high schoolers that didnt make it.

kendrick perkins
tyson chandler
eddy curry (just coming on)
desagana diop
pavel podkolzin
dermarr johnson
rodney white
darko milic
kwame brown
jared jeffries
kris humphries
rob swift
it took rashard lewis awhile to get ok
ndubi ebi
matt barnes
erik daniels
sebastian telfair
travis outlaw
darius miles


i will name a lot more when i get back

Every player cant be a superstar...even 4 yr college players become busts or average players. Also, I would argue that Chandler, Curry, Lewis, Jeffries, Miles, Telfair and White are all decent players. Johnson had a broken neck which slowed his development. The rest are rookies who are in their first year and guys who may have not been any good even with college.

[Tha_Kid]

Re: Age limit

Non-Factors???

kendrick perkins - Underutilized, quality rebounder & defender
tyson chandler - solid Rebounder and Shot blocker
eddy curry (just coming on) - And? He's on, thats what matters
desagana diop
pavel podkolzin - "Darko"ed
dermarr johnson - Underutilized in Denver (Im sure breaking his neck didnt deter him at all...)
rodney white - quality scorer
darko milic - Being seasoned because his veteran team is already good
kwame brown - Will Start, Will breakout if he is used as #1 option
jared jeffries - Starts on a 30 - 22 team, glue guy
kris humphries - rookie
rob swift - rookie
it took rashard lewis awhile to get ok (so All Star = ok....)
ndubi ebi - being "darko"ed
matt barnes
erik daniels
sebastian telfair - rookie
travis outlaw
darius miles - should be better, but not a non - factor

I know the point you're trying to make, but your list is ridiculous. There are tons of guys out there (like Lenny Cooke) who tried to make the leap, but were undrafted and thats it. There are also much better examples of HS guys that couldnt cut it.

I am against the age limit, mainly because there are many players that have proven they are ready for the L. Every case is an individual one, they shouldnt make a rule to stop guys from going prep to pro. IMO, HS players can always commit to a college, and if they don't like where they're picked/change their mind, they can still go to college until they feel that they are ready.

[Tha_Kid]

Re: Age limit

Non-Factors???

kendrick perkins - Underutilized, quality rebounder & defender
tyson chandler - solid Rebounder and Shot blocker
eddy curry (just coming on) - And? He's on, thats what matters
desagana diop
pavel podkolzin - "Darko"ed
dermarr johnson - Underutilized in Denver (Im sure breaking his neck didnt deter him at all...)
rodney white - quality scorer
darko milic - Being seasoned because his veteran team is already good
kwame brown - Will Start, Will breakout if he is used as #1 option
jared jeffries - Starts on a 30 - 22 team, glue guy
kris humphries - rookie
rob swift - rookie
it took rashard lewis awhile to get ok (so All Star = ok....)
ndubi ebi - being "darko"ed
matt barnes
erik daniels
sebastian telfair - rookie
travis outlaw
darius miles - should be better, but not a non - factor

I know the point you're trying to make, but your list is ridiculous. There are tons of guys out there (like Lenny Cooke) who tried to make the leap, but were undrafted and thats it. There are also much better examples of HS guys that couldnt cut it.

I am against the age limit, mainly because there are many players that have proven they are ready for the L. Every case is an individual one, they shouldnt make a rule to stop guys from going prep to pro. IMO, HS players can always commit to a college, and if they don't like where they're picked/change their mind, they can still go to college until they feel that they are ready.

[glucklich]

Re: Age limit

Raymond is on point but it would not be a problem if GMs wouldnt draft these guys who are at the end of their contract when they are becoming good if they ever do. Those are roster spots that could go to players more equipped to deal with the NBA. Its not really so much of whether some guys are good enough as much as it is about the league having the power to look out for its own product--call it quality control. This argument that if you are good enough you should be allowed to play is dumb when you consider that some law students who are not finished with their curriculum can maybe pass the bar exam before they have their degree but arent allowed to do so until they complete their curriculum. Each state sets its own requirementes for setting for the CPA exam and certification. Why is the NBA then not allowed to do the same thing?

[glucklich]

Re: Age limit

Raymond is on point but it would not be a problem if GMs wouldnt draft these guys who are at the end of their contract when they are becoming good if they ever do. Those are roster spots that could go to players more equipped to deal with the NBA. Its not really so much of whether some guys are good enough as much as it is about the league having the power to look out for its own product--call it quality control. This argument that if you are good enough you should be allowed to play is dumb when you consider that some law students who are not finished with their curriculum can maybe pass the bar exam before they have their degree but arent allowed to do so until they complete their curriculum. Each state sets its own requirementes for setting for the CPA exam and certification. Why is the NBA then not allowed to do the same thing?

[SonicMage]

Re: Age limit

kendrick perkins
tyson chandler
eddy curry (just coming on)
desagana diop
pavel podkolzin
dermarr johnson
rodney white
darko milic
kwame brown
jared jeffries
kris humphries
rob swift
it took rashard lewis awhile to get ok
ndubi ebi
matt barnes
erik daniels
sebastian telfair
travis outlaw
darius miles

If you're going to make an argument like this, at least name players that fit your argument.

Matt Barnes did four years at UCLA! He entered the league at 23! Jared Jeffries did two years at Indiana.

And dont list guys who haven't played enough years in the league to tell how good they are. That would include: Telfair, Ebi, Swift, Podkolzine, Milicic, Daniels, and Perkins.

Guys who get regular minutes on a team are not considered busts. So you can exclude: Miles, Chandler, Curry, White, Perkins, Brown...Rashard Lewis? Come on.


The only guys I see left from your list are Dermarr Johnson, Diop, and Outlaw. Diop and Outlaw are busts, no question. Dermarr Johnson is an unintentional bust because of an unfortunate accident, though he may turn out to be a promising player in the future.

[SonicMage]

Re: Age limit

kendrick perkins
tyson chandler
eddy curry (just coming on)
desagana diop
pavel podkolzin
dermarr johnson
rodney white
darko milic
kwame brown
jared jeffries
kris humphries
rob swift
it took rashard lewis awhile to get ok
ndubi ebi
matt barnes
erik daniels
sebastian telfair
travis outlaw
darius miles

If you're going to make an argument like this, at least name players that fit your argument.

Matt Barnes did four years at UCLA! He entered the league at 23! Jared Jeffries did two years at Indiana.

And dont list guys who haven't played enough years in the league to tell how good they are. That would include: Telfair, Ebi, Swift, Podkolzine, Milicic, Daniels, and Perkins.

Guys who get regular minutes on a team are not considered busts. So you can exclude: Miles, Chandler, Curry, White, Perkins, Brown...Rashard Lewis? Come on.


The only guys I see left from your list are Dermarr Johnson, Diop, and Outlaw. Diop and Outlaw are busts, no question. Dermarr Johnson is an unintentional bust because of an unfortunate accident, though he may turn out to be a promising player in the future.

[Brankles]

Re: Age limit

The age limit should not change. There are too many good players coming out of High School nowadays that would be much too hard to not pick in the draft.

The NFL and NHL are much different than the NBA. If you take a HS player out of any of those two sports and put them up against guys twice their size, they're literally going to get killed or severely injured. In basketball, the gap between HS and pro is great, but not nearly as great as the other sports.

Just like baseball, basketball is a sport where an extremely young player can come in and make an immediate impact. It is a skill sport, where strength is valuable, but not a total necessity.

And, as it was said before, there are many more four-year college players that have become busts than there were HS players. It's at the risk of the NBA teams to draft a High Schooler. High risks reap high rewards.
If KG, Kobe, TMac, or Jermaine O'Neal had gone to college, and not received the 4 extra years experience they did in the NBA... do you think they would have been any better?

Also, on your list I would include Jonathan Bender. He's been a total bust.


Holla

[Brankles]

Re: Age limit

The age limit should not change. There are too many good players coming out of High School nowadays that would be much too hard to not pick in the draft.

The NFL and NHL are much different than the NBA. If you take a HS player out of any of those two sports and put them up against guys twice their size, they're literally going to get killed or severely injured. In basketball, the gap between HS and pro is great, but not nearly as great as the other sports.

Just like baseball, basketball is a sport where an extremely young player can come in and make an immediate impact. It is a skill sport, where strength is valuable, but not a total necessity.

And, as it was said before, there are many more four-year college players that have become busts than there were HS players. It's at the risk of the NBA teams to draft a High Schooler. High risks reap high rewards.
If KG, Kobe, TMac, or Jermaine O'Neal had gone to college, and not received the 4 extra years experience they did in the NBA... do you think they would have been any better?

Also, on your list I would include Jonathan Bender. He's been a total bust.


Holla

[jmood88]

Re: Age limit

I dont know if anybody has been paying attention to this. The labor talks between the players and the owners have been going on lately especially after that NHL debacle. The major thing that mite cum out of it is a age limit. The players seem behind it and the owners want it desperately. I agree with the owners. An age limit should be set. I think the NBA should follow the NFL and make the players play college atleast two years. No age limit rules is really destroying basketball. If you look at the teams that have been struggling for a number of years it is because the team is so young and still developing. Everybody always say look at kobe, garnett, mcgrady, and lebron. That is a handful of players compared to the 100's of high schoolers that ruin there life trying to jump to the nba so fast. To me there are 2 things that makes basketball so corney now. Thats way to many young and undeveloped players and no more rivarlies. here is a list of all the high school players and yung guys i could think of that are none factors and i will try and find the high schoolers that didnt make it.

kendrick perkins
tyson chandler
eddy curry (just coming on)
desagana diop
pavel podkolzin
dermarr johnson
rodney white
darko milic
kwame brown
jared jeffries
kris humphries
rob swift
it took rashard lewis awhile to get ok
ndubi ebi
matt barnes
erik daniels
sebastian telfair
travis outlaw
darius miles


i will name a lot more when i get back

To me there are 2 things that makes basketball so corney now. Thats way to many young and undeveloped players and no more rivarlies.

What the hell are you talking about? How do young players make basketball "corney"? How do young players affect rivalries at all?

[jmood88]

Re: Age limit

I dont know if anybody has been paying attention to this. The labor talks between the players and the owners have been going on lately especially after that NHL debacle. The major thing that mite cum out of it is a age limit. The players seem behind it and the owners want it desperately. I agree with the owners. An age limit should be set. I think the NBA should follow the NFL and make the players play college atleast two years. No age limit rules is really destroying basketball. If you look at the teams that have been struggling for a number of years it is because the team is so young and still developing. Everybody always say look at kobe, garnett, mcgrady, and lebron. That is a handful of players compared to the 100's of high schoolers that ruin there life trying to jump to the nba so fast. To me there are 2 things that makes basketball so corney now. Thats way to many young and undeveloped players and no more rivarlies. here is a list of all the high school players and yung guys i could think of that are none factors and i will try and find the high schoolers that didnt make it.

kendrick perkins
tyson chandler
eddy curry (just coming on)
desagana diop
pavel podkolzin
dermarr johnson
rodney white
darko milic
kwame brown
jared jeffries
kris humphries
rob swift
it took rashard lewis awhile to get ok
ndubi ebi
matt barnes
erik daniels
sebastian telfair
travis outlaw
darius miles


i will name a lot more when i get back

To me there are 2 things that makes basketball so corney now. Thats way to many young and undeveloped players and no more rivarlies.

What the hell are you talking about? How do young players make basketball "corney"? How do young players affect rivalries at all?

[Raymond]

Re: Age limit

Okay my list may not be great but im just trying to get my point across. There needs to be an age limit. The reason people come out of high school is to be immediate impact players not to ride a bench. They need to get to go to college. They will prob start or get great playing time, they can work out at the schools great gyms and learn life lessons. High Schoolers are basically outcast's after the game. You really cant hang with the the old guys cuz they hav families, and the 21+ guys are doing things that they may be to young to legally do.

Anyway age limit would defenetly benefit the league and help more deserving player get roster spots. If you look at the successful coaches of the nba lenny wilkens, larry brown, phil jackson, and george karl. Look at there coaching philosophies. They are very sucessful because they really did not play or have young guys on there team. They preach fundamentals, defense, discipline, and are leaders. They dont wont to bother themselves with young high schoolers who dont know the fundamentals and they have to teach it to them like the kids they are. Most to all high schoolers in the nba becasue of potential and not sucess.

[Raymond]

Re: Age limit

Okay my list may not be great but im just trying to get my point across. There needs to be an age limit. The reason people come out of high school is to be immediate impact players not to ride a bench. They need to get to go to college. They will prob start or get great playing time, they can work out at the schools great gyms and learn life lessons. High Schoolers are basically outcast's after the game. You really cant hang with the the old guys cuz they hav families, and the 21+ guys are doing things that they may be to young to legally do.

Anyway age limit would defenetly benefit the league and help more deserving player get roster spots. If you look at the successful coaches of the nba lenny wilkens, larry brown, phil jackson, and george karl. Look at there coaching philosophies. They are very sucessful because they really did not play or have young guys on there team. They preach fundamentals, defense, discipline, and are leaders. They dont wont to bother themselves with young high schoolers who dont know the fundamentals and they have to teach it to them like the kids they are. Most to all high schoolers in the nba becasue of potential and not sucess.