Age limit

[nbasuperstar40]

Re: Age limit

ok Washburn might have been a stretch. since he couldnt read or write to begin with which is one of the reasons why the Pack went on probation. what about Lenny Cooke? thats a better example. All World talent, but got shafted. had he went to college could have toned his game, and even learned a thing or to. really is that such a huge mistake?

he wasn't that good just hyped. Rudy Gay would murder him. Cooke that is, I really don't even kno who Chris Washburn is. All I kno is who did he get thought school not knowing at least one of the two.

[PdiddyPop]

Re: Age limit

he wasn't that good just hyped. Rudy Gay would murder him.

well seeing as they probably wont ever play against one another. even bring that up is a waste of time.

[PdiddyPop]

Re: Age limit

he wasn't that good just hyped. Rudy Gay would murder him.

well seeing as they probably wont ever play against one another. even bring that up is a waste of time.

[blackceasar]

Re: Age limit

So you're saying since a couple people went to the NBA, spent all their money in a few years, and now work minimum wage jobs... that High Schoolers shouldn't enter the league, and must go to college first?

What you're saying isn't even about basketball. It's about how important you feel a college education is.

Let me just do a quick mind check here:
You're Lebron James (or Kwame Brown, or Tyson Chandler or Eddy Curry or Sebastian Telfair). You've been followed by the media since you were 12 years old. Your family is poor. You live in a horrible neighborhood. Everyone on the planet knows you're going to be the first overall pick, sign an enormous contract with a shoe company, and you will gain instant stardom. Millions of kids all over the world will be wearing your jersey and wishing they could be you. However there's the possibility that you suck, you're cut from the team, and everyone labels you Kwame or Olowokandi. You still have $50+ million.
But then there's Coach K, and Billy Donovan and John Calipari. They want you to go to college.
At college you get a great education, you get recognition, and you get a great meal plan. You study TV Broadcasting, in which you'll make about $150,000 a year in, if you turn out to be qualified enough. Oh yeah, you're a sure-fire 1st pick still, but you have to wait three years at least to get your degree and the NBA money. Your mom is still at home, struggling at her job to get by. She is still poor, and is still living in a rough neighborhood. In the three years you're playing, you risk injury. You may also fizzle out and become tired of basketball. You may get in legal trouble. But you're getting a great education.

Here comes the question:
Go Pro or Go College?


This question is directed towards silverstring, PDiddy, or whoever else thinks everyone should go to college first. I think the answer is pretty obvious, but I'd also like to see reasoning behind the answer.


Holla

Well its one thing if everyone incuding the NBA is seeking you out. I mean look at Lebron. Everyone knew he was good enough to go pro. If they are constantly talkinga bout you nationally (not your local paper) on ESPN, USA TODAY, etc about you as a high school player and they are putting your name and NBA in the same sentence then yeah, chances are youre gonna get drafted, first round almost for sure even. BUT how many high school kids are being talked about on ESPN? National news papers? On sports shows? Very fews. If I was Lebron James I would tell college to kiss my azz and id go pro and get paid. If I was some high school kid who is having delusions of grandeure and the only people who told me I was good enough to go pro was my friends, family,andmaybe a local paper from my po dunk town of 20,000 then Im going to sign my college application , take my scholarship money, get my education, HOPE i might develop into a TRUE nba caliber player and if not oh well..i still got a free education. Something usually only rich white kids form the burbs get (cuz mom and dad paid for it).

There is a REASON why entering the draft makes you inelligeble to play college ball and inelligible for college scholarships. Its to keep kids from having thier cake and eating it too. If they didnt have this in place youd have 20,000 high school kids every year trying to enter the draft..and they would figure "ohwell, if i dont get drafted ill just to to college". You dont need an age limit when you have the consequenses of ending up with NOTHING if you enter the draft from HS and dont get picked. No NBA career, no degree either (or free one at least)

Basically in a nutsell if youre a HS bballer..and you dont have your choice of colleges to go play for (taking it that you got the grades for all of them as well) then you need to re-assess wether or not youre good enough to get drafted that year in the NBA. Look at it like this. If colleges like Duke, Kentucky, Uconn, IL, Carolina, etc arent contacting you abotu coming to play for them next year what makes you think some NBA team is gonna draft you?

[blackceasar]

Re: Age limit

So you're saying since a couple people went to the NBA, spent all their money in a few years, and now work minimum wage jobs... that High Schoolers shouldn't enter the league, and must go to college first?

What you're saying isn't even about basketball. It's about how important you feel a college education is.

Let me just do a quick mind check here:
You're Lebron James (or Kwame Brown, or Tyson Chandler or Eddy Curry or Sebastian Telfair). You've been followed by the media since you were 12 years old. Your family is poor. You live in a horrible neighborhood. Everyone on the planet knows you're going to be the first overall pick, sign an enormous contract with a shoe company, and you will gain instant stardom. Millions of kids all over the world will be wearing your jersey and wishing they could be you. However there's the possibility that you suck, you're cut from the team, and everyone labels you Kwame or Olowokandi. You still have $50+ million.
But then there's Coach K, and Billy Donovan and John Calipari. They want you to go to college.
At college you get a great education, you get recognition, and you get a great meal plan. You study TV Broadcasting, in which you'll make about $150,000 a year in, if you turn out to be qualified enough. Oh yeah, you're a sure-fire 1st pick still, but you have to wait three years at least to get your degree and the NBA money. Your mom is still at home, struggling at her job to get by. She is still poor, and is still living in a rough neighborhood. In the three years you're playing, you risk injury. You may also fizzle out and become tired of basketball. You may get in legal trouble. But you're getting a great education.

Here comes the question:
Go Pro or Go College?


This question is directed towards silverstring, PDiddy, or whoever else thinks everyone should go to college first. I think the answer is pretty obvious, but I'd also like to see reasoning behind the answer.


Holla

Well its one thing if everyone incuding the NBA is seeking you out. I mean look at Lebron. Everyone knew he was good enough to go pro. If they are constantly talkinga bout you nationally (not your local paper) on ESPN, USA TODAY, etc about you as a high school player and they are putting your name and NBA in the same sentence then yeah, chances are youre gonna get drafted, first round almost for sure even. BUT how many high school kids are being talked about on ESPN? National news papers? On sports shows? Very fews. If I was Lebron James I would tell college to kiss my azz and id go pro and get paid. If I was some high school kid who is having delusions of grandeure and the only people who told me I was good enough to go pro was my friends, family,andmaybe a local paper from my po dunk town of 20,000 then Im going to sign my college application , take my scholarship money, get my education, HOPE i might develop into a TRUE nba caliber player and if not oh well..i still got a free education. Something usually only rich white kids form the burbs get (cuz mom and dad paid for it).

There is a REASON why entering the draft makes you inelligeble to play college ball and inelligible for college scholarships. Its to keep kids from having thier cake and eating it too. If they didnt have this in place youd have 20,000 high school kids every year trying to enter the draft..and they would figure "ohwell, if i dont get drafted ill just to to college". You dont need an age limit when you have the consequenses of ending up with NOTHING if you enter the draft from HS and dont get picked. No NBA career, no degree either (or free one at least)

Basically in a nutsell if youre a HS bballer..and you dont have your choice of colleges to go play for (taking it that you got the grades for all of them as well) then you need to re-assess wether or not youre good enough to get drafted that year in the NBA. Look at it like this. If colleges like Duke, Kentucky, Uconn, IL, Carolina, etc arent contacting you abotu coming to play for them next year what makes you think some NBA team is gonna draft you?

[grunt]

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Yes I watched the NBA in the 80's and if you don't believe me do this. Go on ESPN.com and when they have a chat with a NBA guy you ask them. I don't think in the 80's you had a almost or 7 foot in Dirk being a point-center. In Europe its a common theme. As is the constant moving the ball around the perimeter looking for 3's. Which I think the Sonics do quite well no?

It was this person name Magic Johnson that could play every position on the floor. Ralph Sampson was considered a point/center but he was clearly ahead of his time. Lambeer would step out and hit three pointers. Matter of fact NBA basketball is getting better. Euro ball. You would fall asleep if you watch that stuff.

[grunt]

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Yes I watched the NBA in the 80's and if you don't believe me do this. Go on ESPN.com and when they have a chat with a NBA guy you ask them. I don't think in the 80's you had a almost or 7 foot in Dirk being a point-center. In Europe its a common theme. As is the constant moving the ball around the perimeter looking for 3's. Which I think the Sonics do quite well no?

It was this person name Magic Johnson that could play every position on the floor. Ralph Sampson was considered a point/center but he was clearly ahead of his time. Lambeer would step out and hit three pointers. Matter of fact NBA basketball is getting better. Euro ball. You would fall asleep if you watch that stuff.

[jmood88]

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It was this person name Magic Johnson that could play every position on the floor. Ralph Sampson was considered a point/center but he was clearly ahead of his time. Lambeer would step out and hit three pointers. Matter of fact NBA basketball is getting better. Euro ball. You would fall asleep if you watch that stuff.

Yes I watched the NBA in the 80's and if you don't believe me do this. Go on ESPN.com and when they have a chat with a NBA guy you ask them. I don't think in the 80's you had a almost or 7 foot in Dirk being a point-center. In Europe its a common theme. As is the constant moving the ball around the perimeter looking for 3's. Which I think the Sonics do quite well no?

And if you think that europeon basketball is better than the nba then it refutes your point that high school players would be better if they went to college. The players in europe are in pro leagues when they are 11, 12, 13 etc. They get experience playing with the best players in Europe. They don't have a college system to play in, dirk nowitzki was a pro when he was young and almost every foreign player in the nba right now benifitted from the experience of playing with the pros.

[jmood88]

Re: Age limit

It was this person name Magic Johnson that could play every position on the floor. Ralph Sampson was considered a point/center but he was clearly ahead of his time. Lambeer would step out and hit three pointers. Matter of fact NBA basketball is getting better. Euro ball. You would fall asleep if you watch that stuff.

Yes I watched the NBA in the 80's and if you don't believe me do this. Go on ESPN.com and when they have a chat with a NBA guy you ask them. I don't think in the 80's you had a almost or 7 foot in Dirk being a point-center. In Europe its a common theme. As is the constant moving the ball around the perimeter looking for 3's. Which I think the Sonics do quite well no?

And if you think that europeon basketball is better than the nba then it refutes your point that high school players would be better if they went to college. The players in europe are in pro leagues when they are 11, 12, 13 etc. They get experience playing with the best players in Europe. They don't have a college system to play in, dirk nowitzki was a pro when he was young and almost every foreign player in the nba right now benifitted from the experience of playing with the pros.

[driddy]

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Exactly jmood,

I'd also argue that college doesn't necessarily make you a better player. Take Elden Brand for example, he was playing center in college, cuz that's what Duke needed him to be. He wasn't going to develop an outside game to go with it because coach K was never going to play him that way. He developed his jumpshot in the pros cuz he needed it to compete with the elite PF's. His days of playing center were over. A High school phenom can go to the NBA and just work on basketball. They dont have to worry about NCAA limits on the amount of practices, or NCAA limits on the amount of contact they can have with their coach between seasons. Their job is to play basketball. Isaiah used to take his 3 young rookies at Indiana and stay with them and coach them after practices. These guys would not have gotten that kind of instruction in college as they would have a fulltime class schedule to worry about.

Imagine having to take exams on Thursday mornings instead of Friday afternoons like everyone else due to game travel. Imagine worrying about finals instead of studying game film. It doesn't add up, colleges benefit more from marquee talent staying with them, more than the marquee talent benefits.

The people who want these players to stay are the people who love college basketball. They really dont care that these kids dont graduate, or dont develop any marketable skill while they are there, they care about getting to the tourney and betting on their team.

[driddy]

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Exactly jmood,

I'd also argue that college doesn't necessarily make you a better player. Take Elden Brand for example, he was playing center in college, cuz that's what Duke needed him to be. He wasn't going to develop an outside game to go with it because coach K was never going to play him that way. He developed his jumpshot in the pros cuz he needed it to compete with the elite PF's. His days of playing center were over. A High school phenom can go to the NBA and just work on basketball. They dont have to worry about NCAA limits on the amount of practices, or NCAA limits on the amount of contact they can have with their coach between seasons. Their job is to play basketball. Isaiah used to take his 3 young rookies at Indiana and stay with them and coach them after practices. These guys would not have gotten that kind of instruction in college as they would have a fulltime class schedule to worry about.

Imagine having to take exams on Thursday mornings instead of Friday afternoons like everyone else due to game travel. Imagine worrying about finals instead of studying game film. It doesn't add up, colleges benefit more from marquee talent staying with them, more than the marquee talent benefits.

The people who want these players to stay are the people who love college basketball. They really dont care that these kids dont graduate, or dont develop any marketable skill while they are there, they care about getting to the tourney and betting on their team.