Age limit

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Re: Age limit

That all media they pick and choose what they want to show. I'm quite sure that they can go and get 10 or 12 regular people with degrees from universities and show how they life has failed or they probably can show some college athletes who went and got their degree but they life still turned out horrible.

the point is theres no scientific method to show how a person life will turn out(million dollars now vs. a college degree & experience)Everybody is different

I agree. The only reason they care about these guys because they like college basketball. Look at tennis, baseball, hockey, soccer, ect. The only kids we focus on are the one that play football and basketball. This is because college football and basketball is the only minor league system for these two popular sports.

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That all media they pick and choose what they want to show. I'm quite sure that they can go and get 10 or 12 regular people with degrees from universities and show how they life has failed or they probably can show some college athletes who went and got their degree but they life still turned out horrible.

the point is theres no scientific method to show how a person life will turn out(million dollars now vs. a college degree & experience)Everybody is different

I agree. The only reason they care about these guys because they like college basketball. Look at tennis, baseball, hockey, soccer, ect. The only kids we focus on are the one that play football and basketball. This is because college football and basketball is the only minor league system for these two popular sports.

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Thing about the basketball skills is, they won't always be there. They can get taken away by injury or whatever else. A degree says with you always, and is good for not only one job, but several. A job you most likely have to retire from in before you reach your 40's. You're right about one thing, having the basketball skills to go to the NBA is great, and having an education is great. Point is, these kids can have both and have themselves covered either way.

And thing about the statistic that people make an average of 1 million in their lifetime is sort of a false indicator. In the sense that, most people who make a million or less than that budget for that for their entire lifetimes, and have some sort of safety net. Athletes, with their inflated egos, hangers-on, and their lavish spending, believe that their huge contracts will be followed by other huge contracts, and they can continue that lifestyle. Except when they cant...then they find themselves in huge debt with no ancillary income, and don't even know how to budget. It happens over and over again to athletes, music stars, etc. who because of their big contracts would normally be set for life but are not, due to their spending habits, inability to invest long term and think wisely.

I look at Jay/Jason Williams as someone who was smart to set himself up for life. He had tremendous basketball talent, and parlayed that not only into a Duke degree, but a basketball contract worth millions. He suffered a serious injury, and if he never plays basketball again, he has other avenues he can pursue.

Now consider someone like Eddy Curry or some other high school star in their final year(or second to final year on their contract). They get a career ending injury tomorrow, they probably haven't picked up a book in four years(or longer...depending on the school/coach). What's in their future? The not the NBDL or Europe, and they haven't played long enough or don't have the voice/diction to be considered for any basketball-related career. They're stuck, and their stories often end badly. An age limit has intrinsic provisions that will lessen the likelihood of such a scenario, if the player is smart enough to take full advantage. And that is not even broaching the idea of how the NBA/college games will improve, along with the players individual skill/likelihood of playing earlier with a more refined skillset.

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Thing about the basketball skills is, they won't always be there. They can get taken away by injury or whatever else. A degree says with you always, and is good for not only one job, but several. A job you most likely have to retire from in before you reach your 40's. You're right about one thing, having the basketball skills to go to the NBA is great, and having an education is great. Point is, these kids can have both and have themselves covered either way.

And thing about the statistic that people make an average of 1 million in their lifetime is sort of a false indicator. In the sense that, most people who make a million or less than that budget for that for their entire lifetimes, and have some sort of safety net. Athletes, with their inflated egos, hangers-on, and their lavish spending, believe that their huge contracts will be followed by other huge contracts, and they can continue that lifestyle. Except when they cant...then they find themselves in huge debt with no ancillary income, and don't even know how to budget. It happens over and over again to athletes, music stars, etc. who because of their big contracts would normally be set for life but are not, due to their spending habits, inability to invest long term and think wisely.

I look at Jay/Jason Williams as someone who was smart to set himself up for life. He had tremendous basketball talent, and parlayed that not only into a Duke degree, but a basketball contract worth millions. He suffered a serious injury, and if he never plays basketball again, he has other avenues he can pursue.

Now consider someone like Eddy Curry or some other high school star in their final year(or second to final year on their contract). They get a career ending injury tomorrow, they probably haven't picked up a book in four years(or longer...depending on the school/coach). What's in their future? The not the NBDL or Europe, and they haven't played long enough or don't have the voice/diction to be considered for any basketball-related career. They're stuck, and their stories often end badly. An age limit has intrinsic provisions that will lessen the likelihood of such a scenario, if the player is smart enough to take full advantage. And that is not even broaching the idea of how the NBA/college games will improve, along with the players individual skill/likelihood of playing earlier with a more refined skillset.

[PdiddyPop]

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Thing about the basketball skills is, they won't always be there. They can get taken away by injury or whatever else. A degree says with you always, and is good for not only one job, but several. A job you most likely have to retire from in before you reach your 40's. You're right about one thing, having the basketball skills to go to the NBA is great, and having an education is great. Point is, these kids can have both and have themselves covered either way.

And thing about the statistic that people make an average of 1 million in their lifetime is sort of a false indicator. In the sense that, most people who make a million or less than that budget for that for their entire lifetimes, and have some sort of safety net. Athletes, with their inflated egos, hangers-on, and their lavish spending, believe that their huge contracts will be followed by other huge contracts, and they can continue that lifestyle. Except when they cant...then they find themselves in huge debt with no ancillary income, and don't even know how to budget. It happens over and over again to athletes, music stars, etc. who because of their big contracts would normally be set for life but are not, due to their spending habits, inability to invest long term and think wisely.

I look at Jay/Jason Williams as someone who was smart to set himself up for life. He had tremendous basketball talent, and parlayed that not only into a Duke degree, but a basketball contract worth millions. He suffered a serious injury, and if he never plays basketball again, he has other avenues he can pursue.

Now consider someone like Eddy Curry or some other high school star in their final year(or second to final year on their contract). They get a career ending injury tomorrow, they probably haven't picked up a book in four years(or longer...depending on the school/coach). What's in their future? The not the NBDL or Europe, and they haven't played long enough or don't have the voice/diction to be considered for any basketball-related career. They're stuck, and their stories often end badly. An age limit has intrinsic provisions that will lessen the likelihood of such a scenario, if the player is smart enough to take full advantage. And that is not even broaching the idea of how the NBA/college games will improve, along with the players individual skill/likelihood of playing earlier with a more refined skillset.

Yep and the rest of the World can stop kicking our *** in basketball too. Skills not nearly developed is why the rest of the world is actually ahead. Look at the Suns, Sonics, and to a certain extent Mavs. They are using a Euro style of play and look at them. Near the top of the West. I love college hoops I really do, but I hate to see a Chris Wasburn in a furniature plant at a dead end job barely making ends meet. Although I'm looked at as selfish.

[PdiddyPop]

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Thing about the basketball skills is, they won't always be there. They can get taken away by injury or whatever else. A degree says with you always, and is good for not only one job, but several. A job you most likely have to retire from in before you reach your 40's. You're right about one thing, having the basketball skills to go to the NBA is great, and having an education is great. Point is, these kids can have both and have themselves covered either way.

And thing about the statistic that people make an average of 1 million in their lifetime is sort of a false indicator. In the sense that, most people who make a million or less than that budget for that for their entire lifetimes, and have some sort of safety net. Athletes, with their inflated egos, hangers-on, and their lavish spending, believe that their huge contracts will be followed by other huge contracts, and they can continue that lifestyle. Except when they cant...then they find themselves in huge debt with no ancillary income, and don't even know how to budget. It happens over and over again to athletes, music stars, etc. who because of their big contracts would normally be set for life but are not, due to their spending habits, inability to invest long term and think wisely.

I look at Jay/Jason Williams as someone who was smart to set himself up for life. He had tremendous basketball talent, and parlayed that not only into a Duke degree, but a basketball contract worth millions. He suffered a serious injury, and if he never plays basketball again, he has other avenues he can pursue.

Now consider someone like Eddy Curry or some other high school star in their final year(or second to final year on their contract). They get a career ending injury tomorrow, they probably haven't picked up a book in four years(or longer...depending on the school/coach). What's in their future? The not the NBDL or Europe, and they haven't played long enough or don't have the voice/diction to be considered for any basketball-related career. They're stuck, and their stories often end badly. An age limit has intrinsic provisions that will lessen the likelihood of such a scenario, if the player is smart enough to take full advantage. And that is not even broaching the idea of how the NBA/college games will improve, along with the players individual skill/likelihood of playing earlier with a more refined skillset.

Yep and the rest of the World can stop kicking our *** in basketball too. Skills not nearly developed is why the rest of the world is actually ahead. Look at the Suns, Sonics, and to a certain extent Mavs. They are using a Euro style of play and look at them. Near the top of the West. I love college hoops I really do, but I hate to see a Chris Wasburn in a furniature plant at a dead end job barely making ends meet. Although I'm looked at as selfish.

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Re: Age limit

As a college graduate, even I acknowledge that a college degree/college education is no guarantee of success or a job. No one is contending that at all.

However, if you believe that having a college degree attached to your name doesn't increase your opportunities in life and increases your perception in the eyes of prospective employers, well, you haven't had much experience with the larger job market.

Of course it comes down to the individual, but a degree helps. And if you get get one, or half credit for one, in exchange for doing what you love to do and getting better at it, it doesn't make sense to pass it up.

I watch both college football and college basketball, but I am a much bigger fan of the professional leagues respective to those sports. I don't see how that is a valid argument at all, seeing as though most agree both levels would improve with an age limit if anything, not just the college level.

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As a college graduate, even I acknowledge that a college degree/college education is no guarantee of success or a job. No one is contending that at all.

However, if you believe that having a college degree attached to your name doesn't increase your opportunities in life and increases your perception in the eyes of prospective employers, well, you haven't had much experience with the larger job market.

Of course it comes down to the individual, but a degree helps. And if you get get one, or half credit for one, in exchange for doing what you love to do and getting better at it, it doesn't make sense to pass it up.

I watch both college football and college basketball, but I am a much bigger fan of the professional leagues respective to those sports. I don't see how that is a valid argument at all, seeing as though most agree both levels would improve with an age limit if anything, not just the college level.

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Yep and the rest of the World can stop kicking our *** in basketball too. Skills not nearly developed is why the rest of the world is actually ahead. Look at the Suns, Sonics, and to a certain extent Mavs. They are using a Euro style of play and look at them. Near the top of the West. I love college hoops I really do, but I hate to see a Chris Wasburn in a furniature plant at a dead end job barely making ends meet. Although I'm looked at as selfish.

How are the Mavs, Sonics, and Suns using a Euro style of play. Did you watch the NBA is the 80's. The Celtics of the 60's was a running team also. So, here is the idea. Develop a real minor league system for basketball that put an emphasis on practice and fundementals.

If the NBA best players would go to the Worlds then the US win.

The Chris Washburns of world happen some times.

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Yep and the rest of the World can stop kicking our *** in basketball too. Skills not nearly developed is why the rest of the world is actually ahead. Look at the Suns, Sonics, and to a certain extent Mavs. They are using a Euro style of play and look at them. Near the top of the West. I love college hoops I really do, but I hate to see a Chris Wasburn in a furniature plant at a dead end job barely making ends meet. Although I'm looked at as selfish.

How are the Mavs, Sonics, and Suns using a Euro style of play. Did you watch the NBA is the 80's. The Celtics of the 60's was a running team also. So, here is the idea. Develop a real minor league system for basketball that put an emphasis on practice and fundementals.

If the NBA best players would go to the Worlds then the US win.

The Chris Washburns of world happen some times.

[PdiddyPop]

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How are the Mavs, Sonics, and Suns using a Euro style of play. Did you watch the NBA is the 80's. The Celtics of the 60's was a running team also. So, here is the idea. Develop a real minor league system for basketball that put an emphasis on practice and fundementals.

If the NBA best players would go to the Worlds then the US win.

The Chris Washburns of world happen some times.

Yes I watched the NBA in the 80's and if you don't believe me do this. Go on ESPN.com and when they have a chat with a NBA guy you ask them. I don't think in the 80's you had a almost or 7 foot in Dirk being a point-center. In Europe its a common theme. As is the constant moving the ball around the perimeter looking for 3's. Which I think the Sonics do quite well no?

[PdiddyPop]

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How are the Mavs, Sonics, and Suns using a Euro style of play. Did you watch the NBA is the 80's. The Celtics of the 60's was a running team also. So, here is the idea. Develop a real minor league system for basketball that put an emphasis on practice and fundementals.

If the NBA best players would go to the Worlds then the US win.

The Chris Washburns of world happen some times.

Yes I watched the NBA in the 80's and if you don't believe me do this. Go on ESPN.com and when they have a chat with a NBA guy you ask them. I don't think in the 80's you had a almost or 7 foot in Dirk being a point-center. In Europe its a common theme. As is the constant moving the ball around the perimeter looking for 3's. Which I think the Sonics do quite well no?

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The Chris Washburns of world happen some times.

Actually, the Chris Washburns of the world happen MOST times, the LeBrons happen rarely.

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The Chris Washburns of world happen some times.

Actually, the Chris Washburns of the world happen MOST times, the LeBrons happen rarely.

[PdiddyPop]

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Actually, the Chris Washburns of the world happen MOST times, the LeBrons happen rarely.

exactly.