Age limit

[Dame]

Re: Age limit

Washburn couldn't even read and write even at State. Everyone knew this which is why they "used" him to get paid. I wonder where his so called friends are now? Not at the furnature plant I last saw him. Again the NBA can enforce any rules with their product they want. The govt doesnt run them. Either agree with the rules or tough turkey. It's going to get past, because the owners have leverage this time. So maybe the NHL season as a lost cause *im saddened*, but maybe that's what it needed to fix things that are wrong with the game.

I agree that the nba can do what they want i'm not arguing that but this rule wouldnt helped chris washburn thats all i'm saying. I agree i think there will be some type of age limit after the new cba i just dont agree thats just my opinion.

Most people who argue for the age limit uses chris washburn as and example for high shoolers but in actuality Chris situation makes it clearer that it dont matter if he goes to school your life is not guaranteed to be better

[Dame]

Re: Age limit

Washburn couldn't even read and write even at State. Everyone knew this which is why they "used" him to get paid. I wonder where his so called friends are now? Not at the furnature plant I last saw him. Again the NBA can enforce any rules with their product they want. The govt doesnt run them. Either agree with the rules or tough turkey. It's going to get past, because the owners have leverage this time. So maybe the NHL season as a lost cause *im saddened*, but maybe that's what it needed to fix things that are wrong with the game.

I agree that the nba can do what they want i'm not arguing that but this rule wouldnt helped chris washburn thats all i'm saying. I agree i think there will be some type of age limit after the new cba i just dont agree thats just my opinion.

Most people who argue for the age limit uses chris washburn as and example for high shoolers but in actuality Chris situation makes it clearer that it dont matter if he goes to school your life is not guaranteed to be better

[PdiddyPop]

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I agree that the nba can do what they want i'm not arguing that but this rule wouldnt helped chris washburn thats all i'm saying. I agree i think there will be some type of age limit after the new cba i just dont agree thats just my opinion.

Most people who argue for the age limit uses chris washburn as and example for high shoolers but in actuality Chris situation makes it clearer that it dont matter if he goes to school your life is not guaranteed to be better

ok Washburn might have been a stretch. since he couldnt read or write to begin with which is one of the reasons why the Pack went on probation. what about Lenny Cooke? thats a better example. All World talent, but got shafted. had he went to college could have toned his game, and even learned a thing or to. really is that such a huge mistake?

[PdiddyPop]

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I agree that the nba can do what they want i'm not arguing that but this rule wouldnt helped chris washburn thats all i'm saying. I agree i think there will be some type of age limit after the new cba i just dont agree thats just my opinion.

Most people who argue for the age limit uses chris washburn as and example for high shoolers but in actuality Chris situation makes it clearer that it dont matter if he goes to school your life is not guaranteed to be better

ok Washburn might have been a stretch. since he couldnt read or write to begin with which is one of the reasons why the Pack went on probation. what about Lenny Cooke? thats a better example. All World talent, but got shafted. had he went to college could have toned his game, and even learned a thing or to. really is that such a huge mistake?

[Dame]

Re: Age limit

ok Washburn might have been a stretch. since he couldnt read or write to begin with which is one of the reasons why the Pack went on probation. what about Lenny Cooke? thats a better example. All World talent, but got shafted. had he went to college could have toned his game, and even learned a thing or to. really is that such a huge mistake?

He couldnt past none of his entry level exams thats why alot of people try to go pro cause there not smart enough to go to college(jermaine o'neal, rashard lewis, kevin garnett, amarie), but i understand what your trying to say that college can help some players improve better but all of that is Hindsight IMO. I think that it depends on the person but if a person feels that he is good enough and that he doesnt needs college thats his gamble.

[Dame]

Re: Age limit

ok Washburn might have been a stretch. since he couldnt read or write to begin with which is one of the reasons why the Pack went on probation. what about Lenny Cooke? thats a better example. All World talent, but got shafted. had he went to college could have toned his game, and even learned a thing or to. really is that such a huge mistake?

He couldnt past none of his entry level exams thats why alot of people try to go pro cause there not smart enough to go to college(jermaine o'neal, rashard lewis, kevin garnett, amarie), but i understand what your trying to say that college can help some players improve better but all of that is Hindsight IMO. I think that it depends on the person but if a person feels that he is good enough and that he doesnt needs college thats his gamble.

[Brankles]

Re: Age limit

Thing about the basketball skills is, they won't always be there. They can get taken away by injury or whatever else. A degree says with you always, and is good for not only one job, but several. A job you most likely have to retire from in before you reach your 40's. You're right about one thing, having the basketball skills to go to the NBA is great, and having an education is great. Point is, these kids can have both and have themselves covered either way.

And thing about the statistic that people make an average of 1 million in their lifetime is sort of a false indicator. In the sense that, most people who make a million or less than that budget for that for their entire lifetimes, and have some sort of safety net. Athletes, with their inflated egos, hangers-on, and their lavish spending, believe that their huge contracts will be followed by other huge contracts, and they can continue that lifestyle. Except when they cant...then they find themselves in huge debt with no ancillary income, and don't even know how to budget. It happens over and over again to athletes, music stars, etc. who because of their big contracts would normally be set for life but are not, due to their spending habits, inability to invest long term and think wisely.

I look at Jay/Jason Williams as someone who was smart to set himself up for life. He had tremendous basketball talent, and parlayed that not only into a Duke degree, but a basketball contract worth millions. He suffered a serious injury, and if he never plays basketball again, he has other avenues he can pursue.

Now consider someone like Eddy Curry or some other high school star in their final year(or second to final year on their contract). They get a career ending injury tomorrow, they probably haven't picked up a book in four years(or longer...depending on the school/coach). What's in their future? The not the NBDL or Europe, and they haven't played long enough or don't have the voice/diction to be considered for any basketball-related career. They're stuck, and their stories often end badly. An age limit has intrinsic provisions that will lessen the likelihood of such a scenario, if the player is smart enough to take full advantage. And that is not even broaching the idea of how the NBA/college games will improve, along with the players individual skill/likelihood of playing earlier with a more refined skillset.

So you're saying since a couple people went to the NBA, spent all their money in a few years, and now work minimum wage jobs... that High Schoolers shouldn't enter the league, and must go to college first?

What you're saying isn't even about basketball. It's about how important you feel a college education is.

Let me just do a quick mind check here:
You're Lebron James (or Kwame Brown, or Tyson Chandler or Eddy Curry or Sebastian Telfair). You've been followed by the media since you were 12 years old. Your family is poor. You live in a horrible neighborhood. Everyone on the planet knows you're going to be the first overall pick, sign an enormous contract with a shoe company, and you will gain instant stardom. Millions of kids all over the world will be wearing your jersey and wishing they could be you. However there's the possibility that you suck, you're cut from the team, and everyone labels you Kwame or Olowokandi. You still have $50+ million.
But then there's Coach K, and Billy Donovan and John Calipari. They want you to go to college.
At college you get a great education, you get recognition, and you get a great meal plan. You study TV Broadcasting, in which you'll make about $150,000 a year in, if you turn out to be qualified enough. Oh yeah, you're a sure-fire 1st pick still, but you have to wait three years at least to get your degree and the NBA money. Your mom is still at home, struggling at her job to get by. She is still poor, and is still living in a rough neighborhood. In the three years you're playing, you risk injury. You may also fizzle out and become tired of basketball. You may get in legal trouble. But you're getting a great education.

Here comes the question:
Go Pro or Go College?


This question is directed towards silverstring, PDiddy, or whoever else thinks everyone should go to college first. I think the answer is pretty obvious, but I'd also like to see reasoning behind the answer.


Holla

[Brankles]

Re: Age limit

Thing about the basketball skills is, they won't always be there. They can get taken away by injury or whatever else. A degree says with you always, and is good for not only one job, but several. A job you most likely have to retire from in before you reach your 40's. You're right about one thing, having the basketball skills to go to the NBA is great, and having an education is great. Point is, these kids can have both and have themselves covered either way.

And thing about the statistic that people make an average of 1 million in their lifetime is sort of a false indicator. In the sense that, most people who make a million or less than that budget for that for their entire lifetimes, and have some sort of safety net. Athletes, with their inflated egos, hangers-on, and their lavish spending, believe that their huge contracts will be followed by other huge contracts, and they can continue that lifestyle. Except when they cant...then they find themselves in huge debt with no ancillary income, and don't even know how to budget. It happens over and over again to athletes, music stars, etc. who because of their big contracts would normally be set for life but are not, due to their spending habits, inability to invest long term and think wisely.

I look at Jay/Jason Williams as someone who was smart to set himself up for life. He had tremendous basketball talent, and parlayed that not only into a Duke degree, but a basketball contract worth millions. He suffered a serious injury, and if he never plays basketball again, he has other avenues he can pursue.

Now consider someone like Eddy Curry or some other high school star in their final year(or second to final year on their contract). They get a career ending injury tomorrow, they probably haven't picked up a book in four years(or longer...depending on the school/coach). What's in their future? The not the NBDL or Europe, and they haven't played long enough or don't have the voice/diction to be considered for any basketball-related career. They're stuck, and their stories often end badly. An age limit has intrinsic provisions that will lessen the likelihood of such a scenario, if the player is smart enough to take full advantage. And that is not even broaching the idea of how the NBA/college games will improve, along with the players individual skill/likelihood of playing earlier with a more refined skillset.

So you're saying since a couple people went to the NBA, spent all their money in a few years, and now work minimum wage jobs... that High Schoolers shouldn't enter the league, and must go to college first?

What you're saying isn't even about basketball. It's about how important you feel a college education is.

Let me just do a quick mind check here:
You're Lebron James (or Kwame Brown, or Tyson Chandler or Eddy Curry or Sebastian Telfair). You've been followed by the media since you were 12 years old. Your family is poor. You live in a horrible neighborhood. Everyone on the planet knows you're going to be the first overall pick, sign an enormous contract with a shoe company, and you will gain instant stardom. Millions of kids all over the world will be wearing your jersey and wishing they could be you. However there's the possibility that you suck, you're cut from the team, and everyone labels you Kwame or Olowokandi. You still have $50+ million.
But then there's Coach K, and Billy Donovan and John Calipari. They want you to go to college.
At college you get a great education, you get recognition, and you get a great meal plan. You study TV Broadcasting, in which you'll make about $150,000 a year in, if you turn out to be qualified enough. Oh yeah, you're a sure-fire 1st pick still, but you have to wait three years at least to get your degree and the NBA money. Your mom is still at home, struggling at her job to get by. She is still poor, and is still living in a rough neighborhood. In the three years you're playing, you risk injury. You may also fizzle out and become tired of basketball. You may get in legal trouble. But you're getting a great education.

Here comes the question:
Go Pro or Go College?


This question is directed towards silverstring, PDiddy, or whoever else thinks everyone should go to college first. I think the answer is pretty obvious, but I'd also like to see reasoning behind the answer.


Holla

[driddy]

Re: Age limit

And to just add, when you go to college, the major has a lot to do with how marketable you are. Many athletes of the high profile variety major in something that they can get by in. It's rare that you see them majoring in pre-med, or engineering. So they are actually looking at 30 - 40K per year as options if the sport thing doesn't work out.

If you are going to be a first round draft choice coming out of high school, its a no brainer. You go, and if you still want to go to college, you pay for your education and make the arrangements as you make your millions (guaranteed). Garnett is going to college right now, I bet he is getting more out of the experience now as he is going because he wants to, and not because he has to. Not passing the SAT or whatever his situation was ended up being the best thing that could have happened to him. Now he is set for life, and can enjoy what college has to offer without the pressure of worrying if the bills are being paid. I'd love to be able to go to college and just learn while taking my time.

The NBA game will be fine, look at the better players in the league: J. O'neal, K.Garnett, K. Bryant, L.James, T. McGrady, T.Parker, among others. These are guys that people pay to see. The onus is on the GM to pick a player that is developed enough to warrant first round money. Jerry West knew that when he went after Kobe Bryant. Michael Jordan did not know that when he went after Kwame Brown. What this shows is that Basketball's problems aren't related to inexperienced players, but instead inexperienced management making bad decisions.

[driddy]

Re: Age limit

And to just add, when you go to college, the major has a lot to do with how marketable you are. Many athletes of the high profile variety major in something that they can get by in. It's rare that you see them majoring in pre-med, or engineering. So they are actually looking at 30 - 40K per year as options if the sport thing doesn't work out.

If you are going to be a first round draft choice coming out of high school, its a no brainer. You go, and if you still want to go to college, you pay for your education and make the arrangements as you make your millions (guaranteed). Garnett is going to college right now, I bet he is getting more out of the experience now as he is going because he wants to, and not because he has to. Not passing the SAT or whatever his situation was ended up being the best thing that could have happened to him. Now he is set for life, and can enjoy what college has to offer without the pressure of worrying if the bills are being paid. I'd love to be able to go to college and just learn while taking my time.

The NBA game will be fine, look at the better players in the league: J. O'neal, K.Garnett, K. Bryant, L.James, T. McGrady, T.Parker, among others. These are guys that people pay to see. The onus is on the GM to pick a player that is developed enough to warrant first round money. Jerry West knew that when he went after Kobe Bryant. Michael Jordan did not know that when he went after Kwame Brown. What this shows is that Basketball's problems aren't related to inexperienced players, but instead inexperienced management making bad decisions.

[Dame]

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The NBA game will be fine, look at the better players in the league: J. O'neal, K.Garnett, K. Bryant, L.James, T. McGrady, T.Parker, among others. These are guys that people pay to see.

I agree with what you said i just found it funny they you listed T. parker with those other high school guys. I know he was straight from high school and i know he's good but when i first looked at your list he seemed like the odd man out but you still make a valid point

[Dame]

Re: Age limit

The NBA game will be fine, look at the better players in the league: J. O'neal, K.Garnett, K. Bryant, L.James, T. McGrady, T.Parker, among others. These are guys that people pay to see.

I agree with what you said i just found it funny they you listed T. parker with those other high school guys. I know he was straight from high school and i know he's good but when i first looked at your list he seemed like the odd man out but you still make a valid point

[jmood88]

Re: Age limit

And to just add, when you go to college, the major has a lot to do with how marketable you are. Many athletes of the high profile variety major in something that they can get by in. It's rare that you see them majoring in pre-med, or engineering. So they are actually looking at 30 - 40K per year as options if the sport thing doesn't work out.

If you are going to be a first round draft choice coming out of high school, its a no brainer. You go, and if you still want to go to college, you pay for your education and make the arrangements as you make your millions (guaranteed). Garnett is going to college right now, I bet he is getting more out of the experience now as he is going because he wants to, and not because he has to. Not passing the SAT or whatever his situation was ended up being the best thing that could have happened to him. Now he is set for life, and can enjoy what college has to offer without the pressure of worrying if the bills are being paid. I'd love to be able to go to college and just learn while taking my time.

The NBA game will be fine, look at the better players in the league: J. O'neal, K.Garnett, K. Bryant, L.James, T. McGrady, T.Parker, among others. These are guys that people pay to see. The onus is on the GM to pick a player that is developed enough to warrant first round money. Jerry West knew that when he went after Kobe Bryant. Michael Jordan did not know that when he went after Kwame Brown. What this shows is that Basketball's problems aren't related to inexperienced players, but instead inexperienced management making bad decisions.

Exactly. Of course, they don't have a chance of being in the nba and have no idea how it feels to have millions of dollars right there. I don't know why they care so much about the players going to college. It's their life, they should get to choose what they wanted to do. If gm's wouldn't draft them then they wouldn't have any reason to leave early or jump from high school. If they wanted to go to school but left early or came from high school then they will go back to school whenever they get the chance to and there are already players doing that.They are able to get the money they need and they won't risk injury in college and then go to school.

[jmood88]

Re: Age limit

And to just add, when you go to college, the major has a lot to do with how marketable you are. Many athletes of the high profile variety major in something that they can get by in. It's rare that you see them majoring in pre-med, or engineering. So they are actually looking at 30 - 40K per year as options if the sport thing doesn't work out.

If you are going to be a first round draft choice coming out of high school, its a no brainer. You go, and if you still want to go to college, you pay for your education and make the arrangements as you make your millions (guaranteed). Garnett is going to college right now, I bet he is getting more out of the experience now as he is going because he wants to, and not because he has to. Not passing the SAT or whatever his situation was ended up being the best thing that could have happened to him. Now he is set for life, and can enjoy what college has to offer without the pressure of worrying if the bills are being paid. I'd love to be able to go to college and just learn while taking my time.

The NBA game will be fine, look at the better players in the league: J. O'neal, K.Garnett, K. Bryant, L.James, T. McGrady, T.Parker, among others. These are guys that people pay to see. The onus is on the GM to pick a player that is developed enough to warrant first round money. Jerry West knew that when he went after Kobe Bryant. Michael Jordan did not know that when he went after Kwame Brown. What this shows is that Basketball's problems aren't related to inexperienced players, but instead inexperienced management making bad decisions.

Exactly. Of course, they don't have a chance of being in the nba and have no idea how it feels to have millions of dollars right there. I don't know why they care so much about the players going to college. It's their life, they should get to choose what they wanted to do. If gm's wouldn't draft them then they wouldn't have any reason to leave early or jump from high school. If they wanted to go to school but left early or came from high school then they will go back to school whenever they get the chance to and there are already players doing that.They are able to get the money they need and they won't risk injury in college and then go to school.

[nbasuperstar40]

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ok Washburn might have been a stretch. since he couldnt read or write to begin with which is one of the reasons why the Pack went on probation. what about Lenny Cooke? thats a better example. All World talent, but got shafted. had he went to college could have toned his game, and even learned a thing or to. really is that such a huge mistake?

he wasn't that good just hyped. Rudy Gay would murder him. Cooke that is, I really don't even kno who Chris Washburn is. All I kno is who did he get thought school not knowing at least one of the two.