Age limit

[Silverstring]

Re: Age limit

why would a person want a degree he's not going to use. A person goes to college to advance their career and gain the knowledge for their careers. If a person career dont require him to have a degree why would do he have to go to school.

If i could have got my job out of high school i would have took it . you shouldnt force someone to do something they dont want to do. and a employer should be able to hire anybody he wants so if a gm wants to take a chance on a high schooler it should be his right and that goes for anybody

LIke many potential High School to NBA players, you're just being short-sighted.

You must not be familiar with several studies done on the lives of retired athletes, not only in the NBA, but in ALL major sports. Many athletes, after they leave the game, have no marketable skill set. Add to that the fact that many of them spent and invested poorly, and so they file for Chapter 11 or are relegated to the bargain-basement life of signing autographs at card shows. And this is for great to hall of fame players. A fringe player has less opportunity to succeed after he leaves the game. Not all players get european contracts, front office, endorsement or broadcasting jobs, and most are left to float aimlessly.

Point being, an athletic career may not need a degree, but those careers are often short lived, due to either age, injury, or erosion of skills. In those cases, a college degree, even a partial one, can help a player either to resume his studies, or to find some degree of higher level work in this society.

The immediate effects/advantages of jumping straight to the NBA from high school are undeniable, from a purely financial perspective. However, placing an individual in college environment help them not only to mature and learn some life skills, but skills they can use for further employment, in case they blow out a knee, get cut after their first contract, etc. I support the logic that is willing to sacrifice the Kevin Garnetts, the Kobes, the LeBrons, and the McGradys for a couple of years to save the others from themselves, and their inflated opinion of their own ability. Since most players are too foolhardy to realize their basketball skills might not be there forever(or may never reach NBA levels) an age limit that nudges them toward college(but does not FORCE them) "insures" them for later life.

[grunt]

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LIke many potential High School to NBA players, you're just being short-sighted.

You must not be familiar with several studies done on the lives of retired athletes, not only in the NBA, but in ALL major sports. Many athletes, after they leave the game, have no marketable skill set. Add to that the fact that many of them spent and invested poorly, and so they file for Chapter 11 or are relegated to the bargain-basement life of signing autographs at card shows. And this is for great to hall of fame players. A fringe player has less opportunity to succeed after he leaves the game. Not all players get european contracts, front office, endorsement or broadcasting jobs, and most are left to float aimlessly.

Point being, an athletic career may not need a degree, but those careers are often short lived, due to either age, injury, or erosion of skills. In those cases, a college degree, even a partial one, can help a player either to resume his studies, or to find some degree of higher level work in this society.

The immediate effects/advantages of jumping straight to the NBA from high school are undeniable, from a purely financial perspective. However, placing an individual in college environment help them not only to mature and learn some life skills, but skills they can use for further employment, in case they blow out a knee, get cut after their first contract, etc. I support the logic that is willing to sacrifice the Kevin Garnetts, the Kobes, the LeBrons, and the McGradys for a couple of years to save the others from themselves, and their inflated opinion of their own ability. Since most players are too foolhardy to realize their basketball skills might not be there forever(or may never reach NBA levels) an age limit that nudges them toward college(but does not FORCE them) "insures" them for later life.

I know alot of people that went off to school and destroyed their lives with wine, women, and madden. (not in that order) It all depends on the person and his support system. I know a couple of D-1 jocks and they got high every frigin nightt and didnt go to class.

[grunt]

Re: Age limit

LIke many potential High School to NBA players, you're just being short-sighted.

You must not be familiar with several studies done on the lives of retired athletes, not only in the NBA, but in ALL major sports. Many athletes, after they leave the game, have no marketable skill set. Add to that the fact that many of them spent and invested poorly, and so they file for Chapter 11 or are relegated to the bargain-basement life of signing autographs at card shows. And this is for great to hall of fame players. A fringe player has less opportunity to succeed after he leaves the game. Not all players get european contracts, front office, endorsement or broadcasting jobs, and most are left to float aimlessly.

Point being, an athletic career may not need a degree, but those careers are often short lived, due to either age, injury, or erosion of skills. In those cases, a college degree, even a partial one, can help a player either to resume his studies, or to find some degree of higher level work in this society.

The immediate effects/advantages of jumping straight to the NBA from high school are undeniable, from a purely financial perspective. However, placing an individual in college environment help them not only to mature and learn some life skills, but skills they can use for further employment, in case they blow out a knee, get cut after their first contract, etc. I support the logic that is willing to sacrifice the Kevin Garnetts, the Kobes, the LeBrons, and the McGradys for a couple of years to save the others from themselves, and their inflated opinion of their own ability. Since most players are too foolhardy to realize their basketball skills might not be there forever(or may never reach NBA levels) an age limit that nudges them toward college(but does not FORCE them) "insures" them for later life.

I know alot of people that went off to school and destroyed their lives with wine, women, and madden. (not in that order) It all depends on the person and his support system. I know a couple of D-1 jocks and they got high every frigin nightt and didnt go to class.

[Brankles]

Re: Age limit

I'm not saying that NCAA rules couldn't be tweaked a bit, or that the players couldn't recieve a small stipend. BUt the notion that the players get "nothing" is completely ridiculous.

I find it laughable that you say "nothing...but an education" Since when is that worth nothing? The opportunity to go to a university and enrich yourself with knowledge is not something to be looked down upon. There are many things in life that are valuable beyond the monetary value attached to them.

Also, since when do these athletes get nothing beyond that education? In many instances they live in school-sponsored housing and have meals provided for them. In addition, they have access to world-class trainers, medical facilities, coaches, etc. You don't think that going to college with a great basketball program ENHANCES many players abilities to get to the NBA and get a large payday in the future? Oh, poor players.....

Things like the NCAA television contract benefit the players(as well as the schools). The system is enriched with that money, and the players benefit from that system, in ways that go beyond the aforementioned examples.

What exactly are you proposing as an alternative? Instead of having a Duke player exchange his basketball abilities for a $40,000 a year education(and thats not even counting the food, the training, the access to medical care that schools with top athletic programs provide, etc.), lets just pay the player the $40,000, and let him just show up for the games. I don't think playing a game(at a high level, admittedly) for a few months out of the year in exchange for indirect access to tens of thousands of dollars in amenities and privileges and education is as dire of a proposition as you make it out to be.

Yeah, the "othing (but an education)" thing was kind of tongue-in-cheek. An education is a marvelous thing to have.
But so is a few million dollars.
I saw a statistic somewhere, the average person makes 1 million dollars in their lifetime. That's decades of work, and the majority of that money goes to the basic needs in life.

I'm not really saying college is a slave business. I think a scholarship is a fine payment for student-athletes. But if there's a three year, 6 million dollar contract sitting in front of you, right next to the 4 year, "food, bed, more school, and possible injury" contract... which one are you going to choose?

College is cool. Education is cool. Go to school if you know you're not getting picked in the first round of the NBA draft.
But if you do know that you're getting picked, why would you want to go to college to play basketball?

This is common sense. You can still go back to college if you want to learn. But the opportunity to make millions of dollars (legally) is a chance no person would pass up.



Holla

[Brankles]

Re: Age limit

I'm not saying that NCAA rules couldn't be tweaked a bit, or that the players couldn't recieve a small stipend. BUt the notion that the players get "nothing" is completely ridiculous.

I find it laughable that you say "nothing...but an education" Since when is that worth nothing? The opportunity to go to a university and enrich yourself with knowledge is not something to be looked down upon. There are many things in life that are valuable beyond the monetary value attached to them.

Also, since when do these athletes get nothing beyond that education? In many instances they live in school-sponsored housing and have meals provided for them. In addition, they have access to world-class trainers, medical facilities, coaches, etc. You don't think that going to college with a great basketball program ENHANCES many players abilities to get to the NBA and get a large payday in the future? Oh, poor players.....

Things like the NCAA television contract benefit the players(as well as the schools). The system is enriched with that money, and the players benefit from that system, in ways that go beyond the aforementioned examples.

What exactly are you proposing as an alternative? Instead of having a Duke player exchange his basketball abilities for a $40,000 a year education(and thats not even counting the food, the training, the access to medical care that schools with top athletic programs provide, etc.), lets just pay the player the $40,000, and let him just show up for the games. I don't think playing a game(at a high level, admittedly) for a few months out of the year in exchange for indirect access to tens of thousands of dollars in amenities and privileges and education is as dire of a proposition as you make it out to be.

Yeah, the "othing (but an education)" thing was kind of tongue-in-cheek. An education is a marvelous thing to have.
But so is a few million dollars.
I saw a statistic somewhere, the average person makes 1 million dollars in their lifetime. That's decades of work, and the majority of that money goes to the basic needs in life.

I'm not really saying college is a slave business. I think a scholarship is a fine payment for student-athletes. But if there's a three year, 6 million dollar contract sitting in front of you, right next to the 4 year, "food, bed, more school, and possible injury" contract... which one are you going to choose?

College is cool. Education is cool. Go to school if you know you're not getting picked in the first round of the NBA draft.
But if you do know that you're getting picked, why would you want to go to college to play basketball?

This is common sense. You can still go back to college if you want to learn. But the opportunity to make millions of dollars (legally) is a chance no person would pass up.



Holla

[PdiddyPop]

Re: Age limit

LIke many potential High School to NBA players, you're just being short-sighted.

You must not be familiar with several studies done on the lives of retired athletes, not only in the NBA, but in ALL major sports. Many athletes, after they leave the game, have no marketable skill set. Add to that the fact that many of them spent and invested poorly, and so they file for Chapter 11 or are relegated to the bargain-basement life of signing autographs at card shows. And this is for great to hall of fame players. A fringe player has less opportunity to succeed after he leaves the game. Not all players get european contracts, front office, endorsement or broadcasting jobs, and most are left to float aimlessly.

Point being, an athletic career may not need a degree, but those careers are often short lived, due to either age, injury, or erosion of skills. In those cases, a college degree, even a partial one, can help a player either to resume his studies, or to find some degree of higher level work in this society.

The immediate effects/advantages of jumping straight to the NBA from high school are undeniable, from a purely financial perspective. However, placing an individual in college environment help them not only to mature and learn some life skills, but skills they can use for further employment, in case they blow out a knee, get cut after their first contract, etc. I support the logic that is willing to sacrifice the Kevin Garnetts, the Kobes, the LeBrons, and the McGradys for a couple of years to save the others from themselves, and their inflated opinion of their own ability. Since most players are too foolhardy to realize their basketball skills might not be there forever(or may never reach NBA levels) an age limit that nudges them toward college(but does not FORCE them) "insures" them for later life.

[PdiddyPop]

Re: Age limit

LIke many potential High School to NBA players, you're just being short-sighted.

You must not be familiar with several studies done on the lives of retired athletes, not only in the NBA, but in ALL major sports. Many athletes, after they leave the game, have no marketable skill set. Add to that the fact that many of them spent and invested poorly, and so they file for Chapter 11 or are relegated to the bargain-basement life of signing autographs at card shows. And this is for great to hall of fame players. A fringe player has less opportunity to succeed after he leaves the game. Not all players get european contracts, front office, endorsement or broadcasting jobs, and most are left to float aimlessly.

Point being, an athletic career may not need a degree, but those careers are often short lived, due to either age, injury, or erosion of skills. In those cases, a college degree, even a partial one, can help a player either to resume his studies, or to find some degree of higher level work in this society.

The immediate effects/advantages of jumping straight to the NBA from high school are undeniable, from a purely financial perspective. However, placing an individual in college environment help them not only to mature and learn some life skills, but skills they can use for further employment, in case they blow out a knee, get cut after their first contract, etc. I support the logic that is willing to sacrifice the Kevin Garnetts, the Kobes, the LeBrons, and the McGradys for a couple of years to save the others from themselves, and their inflated opinion of their own ability. Since most players are too foolhardy to realize their basketball skills might not be there forever(or may never reach NBA levels) an age limit that nudges them toward college(but does not FORCE them) "insures" them for later life.

[Dame]

Re: Age limit

So the player should just sit around in his house getting fat and lazy after he retires?

if he wants to its his choice

[Dame]

Re: Age limit

So the player should just sit around in his house getting fat and lazy after he retires?

if he wants to its his choice

[PdiddyPop]

Re: Age limit

if he wants to its his choice

after since its his choice i wish ESPN and Outside the Lines don't show specials about how this kid failed in the NBA, and now we are supposed to feel sorry for them. i really don't know why they do it. i've seen some friends drop out of school 2 months b4 graduation in HS and now they wished they wouldn't have. i'm just like well you were the one that chose it now its your bed you have to lie in.

[PdiddyPop]

Re: Age limit

if he wants to its his choice

after since its his choice i wish ESPN and Outside the Lines don't show specials about how this kid failed in the NBA, and now we are supposed to feel sorry for them. i really don't know why they do it. i've seen some friends drop out of school 2 months b4 graduation in HS and now they wished they wouldn't have. i'm just like well you were the one that chose it now its your bed you have to lie in.

[Dame]

Re: Age limit

Yeah, the "othing (but an education)" thing was kind of tongue-in-cheek. An education is a marvelous thing to have.
But so is a few million dollars.
I saw a statistic somewhere, the average person makes 1 million dollars in their lifetime. That's decades of work, and the majority of that money goes to the basic needs in life.

I'm not really saying college is a slave business. I think a scholarship is a fine payment for student-athletes. But if there's a three year, 6 million dollar contract sitting in front of you, right next to the 4 year, "food, bed, more school, and possible injury" contract... which one are you going to choose?

College is cool. Education is cool. Go to school if you know you're not getting picked in the first round of the NBA draft.
But if you do know that you're getting picked, why would you want to go to college to play basketball?

This is common sense. You can still go back to college if you want to learn. But the opportunity to make millions of dollars (legally) is a chance no person would pass up.



Holla

you said it all

i've known and seen many college graduates fail in life, going to college doesn't mean there life was going to be good.

If you go to the league make 8-10 mil your first contract, and your career ends you made enough money to go back to school when ever you want.

People should people choose their own path in life and not try to dictate everything

[Dame]

Re: Age limit

Yeah, the "othing (but an education)" thing was kind of tongue-in-cheek. An education is a marvelous thing to have.
But so is a few million dollars.
I saw a statistic somewhere, the average person makes 1 million dollars in their lifetime. That's decades of work, and the majority of that money goes to the basic needs in life.

I'm not really saying college is a slave business. I think a scholarship is a fine payment for student-athletes. But if there's a three year, 6 million dollar contract sitting in front of you, right next to the 4 year, "food, bed, more school, and possible injury" contract... which one are you going to choose?

College is cool. Education is cool. Go to school if you know you're not getting picked in the first round of the NBA draft.
But if you do know that you're getting picked, why would you want to go to college to play basketball?

This is common sense. You can still go back to college if you want to learn. But the opportunity to make millions of dollars (legally) is a chance no person would pass up.



Holla

you said it all

i've known and seen many college graduates fail in life, going to college doesn't mean there life was going to be good.

If you go to the league make 8-10 mil your first contract, and your career ends you made enough money to go back to school when ever you want.

People should people choose their own path in life and not try to dictate everything

[Dame]

Re: Age limit

after since its his choice i wish ESPN and Outside the Lines don't show specials about how this kid failed in the NBA, and now we are supposed to feel sorry for them. i really don't know why they do it.

That all media they pick and choose what they want to show. I'm quite sure that they can go and get 10 or 12 regular people with degrees from universities and show how they life has failed or they probably can show some college athletes who went and got their degree but they life still turned out horrible.

the point is theres no scientific method to show how a person life will turn out(million dollars now vs. a college degree & experience)Everybody is different

[Dame]

Re: Age limit

after since its his choice i wish ESPN and Outside the Lines don't show specials about how this kid failed in the NBA, and now we are supposed to feel sorry for them. i really don't know why they do it.

That all media they pick and choose what they want to show. I'm quite sure that they can go and get 10 or 12 regular people with degrees from universities and show how they life has failed or they probably can show some college athletes who went and got their degree but they life still turned out horrible.

the point is theres no scientific method to show how a person life will turn out(million dollars now vs. a college degree & experience)Everybody is different