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  • VDusen04
    Hall Of Fame
    • Aug 2003
    • 13025

    #496
    Re: NBA Off Topic Thread

    Originally posted by DieHardYankee26
    Just finished Blood in the Garden, now I'm sitting here watching Game 5 of the 1999 1st round, us vs. the Heat. Losing team scores in the series: 75, 73, 73, 72, 77. Game 5 of both our first round and the Finals ended with the scores 78-77. Hideous basketball. This can't be what people clamor for a return to. Infinite jump hooks, negative spacing, 3 point territory outside of the corner might as well be lava. Dan Majerle just hit a 3 from 3 feet behind the 3 point line, bro looks like Steph out there compared to some of these guys.
    On the topic of Blood in the Garden, that was one of my bigger literary disappointments of the past few years. I was surprised how so much of the book just felt like a general year-by-year recounting, almost like I was just reading game summaries with little depth beyond a few shock morsels sprinkled on top (i.e. the Xavier McDaniel situation early on). For instance, I'm pretty sure the LJ four-point play got, like, one or two sentences and that was about it.

    I kind of wonder if that book would have been better off with a narrower scope (say, the Riley era only), which would have allowed for more concentrated depth rather than, "And then this happened. And this. And here's another section on Anthony Mason. And then this."

    On the topic of 90's basketball, I think there's a lot of misconceptions that stem from the entire decade of hoops being known simply as "90's basketball". If someone who missed that era happened to go back and watch the '98 Finals, they're more likely to be aghast. But going back to watch a Knicks-Bulls game in '92, or Pistons-Blazers in '90, or Sonics-Rockets in '94 would all offer much different experiences while still falling under the 90's umbrella.

    I also think people sometimes underestimate how big of a role knowing and investing in a particular team and its players can have on one's enjoyment of any style of game. It's a big part of the reason why I could watch the Pistons and Pacers combine for 20 blocks and still spend that entire game riveted and on the edge of my seat. And it's the same reason I can watch my former players eek out an ugly junior varsity win against their rival on a snowy Tuesday night and come away feeling like I really experienced something worthwhile.

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    • DieHardYankee26
      BING BONG
      • Feb 2008
      • 10178

      #497
      Re: NBA Off Topic Thread

      Originally posted by VDusen04
      On the topic of Blood in the Garden, that was one of my bigger literary disappointments of the past few years. I was surprised how so much of the book just felt like a general year-by-year recounting, almost like I was just reading game summaries with little depth beyond a few shock morsels sprinkled on top (i.e. the Xavier McDaniel situation early on). For instance, I'm pretty sure the LJ four-point play got, like, one or two sentences and that was about it.



      I kind of wonder if that book would have been better off with a narrower scope (say, the Riley era only), which would have allowed for more concentrated depth rather than, "And then this happened. And this. And here's another section on Anthony Mason. And then this."

      I agree. I’m starting When the Garden Was Eden now, and I think one advantage it has over Blood in the Garden is every Knicks fan knows everything about the 90s Knicks whereas a lot of us probably know a lot less about the 70s teams.

      There’s some anecdotes every once in a while where we didn’t know the specifics or you give a little “hmm that’s cool” but not a ton of new information. And Herring was a really great beat writer for the Knicks so that kinda adds to the disappointment. I think the biggest problem is you’re writing a book about an era basically defined by a single person, and you don’t have access to The Rat to bring everything full circle. It’s a lot of talking around him or trying to figure out his way of thinking through Checketts quotes, I think it would’ve been a lot better if he’d had that access, he’s basically the star of the book.
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      • l3ulvl
        Hall Of Fame
        • Dec 2009
        • 17230

        #498
        Re: NBA Off Topic Thread

        Originally posted by JazzMan
        Skip vs Russ

        Machine Gun Kelly vs Eminem

        Johnny Depp vs Amber Heard lol

        Kanye vs Pete Davidson

        Will Smith vs Chris Rock w/ special guest referee August Alsina

        Jim Cornette vs Vince Russo

        the guy with the Machine gun would have an unfair advantage



        but since the fights were all claymation stuff, the final unexpected boss at the end would be Stallone "yo wolf face, your *** is mine"


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        • The 24th Letter
          ERA
          • Oct 2007
          • 39373

          #499
          Re: NBA Off Topic Thread

          Lol Muggs

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          • Majingir
            Moderator
            • Apr 2005
            • 47465

            #500
            Re: NBA Off Topic Thread

            Originally posted by The 24th Letter
            Lol Muggs

            As true as that fact is (and Bobans career high in rebounds is less than Muggsys), you also have to factor in minutes played. Muggsy played over 2500 mins per season. Boban had played around that many minutes TOTAL in his career.

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            • The 24th Letter
              ERA
              • Oct 2007
              • 39373

              #501
              Re: NBA Off Topic Thread

              Originally posted by Majingir
              As true as that fact is (and Bobans career high in rebounds is less than Muggsys), you also have to factor in minutes played. Muggsy played over 2500 mins per season. Boban had played around that many minutes TOTAL in his career.

              Yeah, Goes without saying. I’m sure he knew that when he posted it.

              I actually didn’t know he averaged an o board a game though, that’s pretty impressive, lol

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              • Majingir
                Moderator
                • Apr 2005
                • 47465

                #502
                Re: NBA Off Topic Thread

                Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                Yeah, Goes without saying. I’m sure he knew that when he posted it.

                I actually didn’t know he averaged an o board a game though, that’s pretty impressive, lol
                What I want to know now is if there are any 7 footers who played over 2000 mins in a season and averaged less rebounds in a season than Muggsys best.

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                • ojandpizza
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Apr 2011
                  • 29806

                  #503
                  Re: NBA Off Topic Thread

                  Originally posted by Majingir
                  What I want to know now is if there are any 7 footers who played over 2000 mins in a season and averaged less rebounds in a season than Muggsys best.

                  Stats say otherwise but I refuse to believe Chris Bosh didn’t those years he just refused to even try to rebound with Miami lol.

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                  • phenom1990
                    MVP
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 4789

                    #504
                    Re: NBA Off Topic Thread

                    On the topic of late 90s / early 00s basketball style vs today, let me steal a line from Kenny Smith.

                    The NBA is a copycat league. So no matter what era you’re in, you see a lot of predictable outcomes because you see everybody trying to do the same stuff.

                    If this Gobert/ Towns pairing works, it will be interesting to see if other teams try to duplicate it. People claim that the Warriors created this 3 point barrage but Golden State offense has shot a bunch of mid ranges and ran different actions. It’s just other teams shoot 3s with a lot less creativity than the Warriors.

                    Also if we’re going to evaluate peak late 90s/early 00s, we need to focus on the West and not the East. The last time the East had real depth before this past season was probably 1997 when it had 6 teams win 54 games or more.
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                    • l3ulvl
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Dec 2009
                      • 17230

                      #505
                      Re: NBA Off Topic Thread

                      Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                      I actually didn’t know he averaged an o board a game though, that’s pretty impressive, lol

                      My guess is he was worthless in transition defense so might as well let him zoom around and try and grab a board if everyone else is accounted for
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                      • ehh
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Mar 2003
                        • 28959

                        #506
                        Re: NBA Off Topic Thread

                        Originally posted by phenom1990
                        If this Gobert/ Towns pairing works.
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                        • TMagic
                          G.O.A.T.
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 7550

                          #507
                          Re: NBA Off Topic Thread

                          Originally posted by ehh
                          Spoiler
                          I don't know if you mean this in a general sense or if there is something you see between these two paired together in particular

                          But the Cavs had a lot of success going "big" last year. And considering that Towns is much better offensively than any player on that team and Gobert has more impact defensively than anyone on that team, I'm really interested in seeing how this plays out.

                          And I think it has a good chance of giving teams fits just like the Cavs did
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                          • Majingir
                            Moderator
                            • Apr 2005
                            • 47465

                            #508
                            Re: NBA Off Topic Thread

                            Lol Broussard. I dont even want to get into what he said because its definitely gonna go against the TOS, but all I'm saying about his comments regarding Toronto is that he needs to check his math when comparing certain cultural things about the city vs basically most major cities in North America.

                            And how that is relevant to KD wanting or not wanting to come to Toronto is besides me. But it goes to show how the media can spin anything. For instance, you can be like "Player X is shooting 40% from three" as a reason to hate him, but..what is the baseline you're comparing it to and what do other players look like? If everyone else is shooting below 40%, how can you act like that guy is doing bad?

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                            • l3ulvl
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Dec 2009
                              • 17230

                              #509
                              Re: NBA Off Topic Thread

                              Originally posted by TMagic
                              I don't know if you mean this in a general sense or if there is something you see between these two paired together in particular

                              But the Cavs had a lot of success going "big" last year. And considering that Towns is much better offensively than any player on that team and Gobert has more impact defensively than anyone on that team, I'm really interested in seeing how this plays out.

                              And I think it has a good chance of giving teams fits just like the Cavs did
                              It's a combination of "Gobert gets played off the floor" and "because Minnesota"

                              it'd be cool if it works, but they gave up so many 1sts it's kinda like waiting for it to fail so we can crush them later and point out all the players that were drafted with those picks
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                              • ProfessaPackMan
                                Bamma
                                • Mar 2008
                                • 63852

                                #510
                                Re: NBA Off Topic Thread

                                Originally posted by Majingir
                                Lol Broussard. I dont even want to get into what he said because its definitely gonna go against the TOS, but all I'm saying about his comments regarding Toronto is that he needs to check his math when comparing certain cultural things about the city vs basically most major cities in North America.

                                And how that is relevant to KD wanting or not wanting to come to Toronto is besides me. But it goes to show how the media can spin anything. For instance, you can be like "Player X is shooting 40% from three" as a reason to hate him, but..what is the baseline you're comparing it to and what do other players look like? If everyone else is shooting below 40%, how can you act like that guy is doing bad?
                                What did he say?
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