2023 Offseason Thread

[illwill10]

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Shows why Clippers would want to get a deal done by tend of tomorrow. Though it wouldn't be impossible. The Harden and Korkmaz for Powell, Covington, and Mann deal would work in new CBA

[georgiafan]

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Saw Bobby marks suggest philly including tucker in the deal and just getting the 3 bad expiring guys and one future 1st.

Kings I guess didn’t have bird rights for Barnes ?

[zello144]

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I'm just over here laughing at another Harden trade request (and the Kyrie meeting with Phoenix reports. Word Kyrie? gonna try it again?)


yes, I'm petty.

Kyrie wakes up everyday either demanding a trade or saying things that will make people angry lol.

[ojandpizza]

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I'm just over here laughing at another Harden trade request (and the Kyrie meeting with Phoenix reports. Word Kyrie? gonna try it again?)


yes, I'm petty.

Pincus was on NBA radio today and said he thought this might have more to do with the reports saying the Mavs had a hand shake deal with Kyrie for an extension before trading for him.. Basically signing him immediately without him listening to other teams might trigger some tampering investigations.

Think he has to take somewhere between like 19-20m range for a Kyrie Ayton swap to even work with the cap. And not sure what else Dallas would have to do to make that work either.

[ojandpizza]

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I would have to see the deal. We need a secondary ball handler next to Brunson but his efficiency isn’t what you’d want there. Obviously, there’s the defensive concern.

Would’ve loved for it to happen years ago, Madison Square Harden was right there!

What do you think about getting Harden (for the Knicks)?

Harden does not like playing off ball. At least he was willing to take catch and shoot threes, which he was good at this year. But he doesn't move without the ball. He has a very inefficient offensive game. He can't finish around the rim, his mid range was terrible in playoffs. He lives off taking low % shots and getting free throws.

I actually think a Knicks-Sixers trade works really well for both sides. For all of Harden's flaws Julius Randle shoots like 12% every year in the playoffs, and the Knicks don't have an abundance of ball handlers or playmakers. RJ is getting there, but he's too inconsistent and the Knicks rely too much on Brunson needing to play like a tier 1 superstar to win playoff games.

Knicks can easily match salary, the Fournier and Hartenstein contracts get them pretty close. If they would throw in Toppin and Quickley that is easily the best young potential I could see them getting for Harden.. On the Sixers end they've needed a backup big like Hartenstein for like 4 years now. PJ Tucker could backup Toppin and Quickley spares Maxey from having to handle all ball handling and playmaking responsibilities.

The issues for Philly would be, Harris would have to be your SF. Or ideally get moved. The Fournier contract is ***, although they could use a few spot minutes of decent shooting from him. From the other side of all this Powell is a much better "win now" option with that Clippers trade. If Toppin breaks out finally getting minutes though his timeline aligns with Maxey.

For the Knicks moving Hart to 6th man is a huge boost for them. They would need to find another backup big or hope Sims could be that guy.

[jeebs9]

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Pincus was on NBA radio today and said he thought this might have more to do with the reports saying the Mavs had a hand shake deal with Kyrie for an extension before trading for him.. Basically signing him immediately without him listening to other teams might trigger some tampering investigations.



Think he has to take somewhere between like 19-20m range for a Kyrie Ayton swap to even work with the cap. And not sure what else Dallas would have to do to make that work either.

The only way Kyrie signs is for Vet min with the Suns. Only way from what I'm reading. The Suns are "hard capped". I don't know what that means lol.

[dubcity]

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Never underestimate the ego of an NBA GM, thinking they can be the one to make Harden work on their team. They can be the one to win with him. Everyone will be applauding them. Damn fools.

[ojandpizza]

2023 Offseason Thread

The only way Kyrie signs is for Vet min with the Suns. Only way from what I'm reading. The Suns are "hard capped". I don't know what that means lol.

That’s the only way he can sign with them as a free agent..

But they can trade Ayton for him in a S&T but he’s limited to something in the 18-20 range. In most scenarios he could sign for whatever he wanted and just swap him with Ayton. But when you acquire a player via S&T you are hard capped at the first apron. Phoenix is already above the first apron so Kyrie can’t sign for his max, or even 32m to match Ayton because that’s too much money.

Basically he would have to shed enough off his salary to not only get Phoenix under the first apron but get them under it enough to fill out the rest of the roster with minimum players. And Phoenix would have to renounce rights to everyone on the team not currently under contract.

That’s asking Kyrie to sign for less than half of what his max is. Not likely. And it also gives Phoenix something like KD, Beal, Booker, Kyrie, Payne - all min deals for roster spots 6-14.

Another issue with all that is Dallas doesn’t have the cap space to acquire Ayton without renouncing rights to everyone who currently isn’t signed, and dumping some current salary for no money in return to be able to sign draft picks Lively & Prosper and afford all the incomplete roster charges.

So renounce bird rights on guys like Wood, Powell, Melli to lose them for nothing, and likely find a team that would take Kleber 11m or Bullock 10m for no incoming money in return.

They would still have some exceptions to use to fill out the rest of the roster though. But still you would basically be trading Kyrie, Wood, Powell, Melli, Bullock and maybe JaVale for just Deandre Ayton in return. And Phoenix has no picks to sweeten the pot for them to go through with that.

Basically it’s technically possible, but not realistic that either team would ever consider that… local Phoenix reports are already saying that report was complete BS anyway and there is no meeting scheduled between Phoenix and Kyrie.. no idea how true that is, but it would confirm Pincus thoughts that this was just Dallas trying to avoid tampering accusations. Or fake news to get Dallas to give him more money by entertaining other teams.

[DieHardYankee26]

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I’m not trading IQ or I Hart for Harden. Dwight Howard with a PR team should be asking out next, better off waiting for him.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Pincus was on NBA radio today and said he thought this might have more to do with the reports saying the Mavs had a hand shake deal with Kyrie for an extension before trading for him.. Basically signing him immediately without him listening to other teams might trigger some tampering investigations.



Think he has to take somewhere between like 19-20m range for a Kyrie Ayton swap to even work with the cap. And not sure what else Dallas would have to do to make that work either.

It’s all a leverage play for him.

Most likely trying to get more years since the money won’t be an issue.

[georgiafan]

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@ShamsCharania

The Indiana Pacers are nearing a trade sending guard Chris Duarte to the Sacramento Kings for draft compensation, sources tell

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@YossiGozlan

Trading Chris Duarte will increase Indiana's cap space to $36.3M.

They've got the third most cap space behind Houston ($66M) and San Antonio ($41M).

Pacers also have the $7.7M room mid-level.

The Sacramento Kings now have about $15M in cap space remaining after acquiring Chris Duarte.



More realistically, they're working with around $12.5M when factoring in the $3.4M cap hold of Trey Lyles.

They'll also have the $7.7M room mid-level.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Pincus was on NBA radio today and said he thought this might have more to do with the reports saying the Mavs had a hand shake deal with Kyrie for an extension before trading for him.. Basically signing him immediately without him listening to other teams might trigger some tampering investigations.

Think he has to take somewhere between like 19-20m range for a Kyrie Ayton swap to even work with the cap. And not sure what else Dallas would have to do to make that work either.

I really doubt the NBA will punish teams for signing/negotiating with their own free agents early this year considering it's legal in the new CBA. Would be hilarious though if teams get punished for it when we're literally one day away from it never being illegal again.

[illwill10]

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It is funny that it is being reported that Harden was/is upset that Morey wouldn't tamper with him to discuss his future there. Philly got dinged fot tampering last year and Morey isn't taking any chances lol

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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The only way Kyrie signs is for Vet min with the Suns. Only way from what I'm reading. The Suns are "hard capped". I don't know what that means lol.

There could theoretically be a deal where Kyrie signs for like $20 million and Phoenix sends Ayton to Dallas but that would leave Phoenix with just enough space to have Booker, Durant, Beal, Kyrie, and the rest of the roster be league minimum guys. Would be amazing to see if that actually works; they'd certainly be able to get a couple vets on the minimum with the promise of playing time but man that's a brutal way to build a team IMO.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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It is funny that it is being reported that Harden was/is upset that Morey wouldn't tamper with him to discuss his future there. Philly got dinged fot tampering last year and Morey isn't taking any chances lol

I'm honestly not sure of the answer, but I feel like this just straight up isn't true. As mentioned already, I really doubt the NBA is going to punish anyone for negotiating with their own free agents this year since that rule goes away on July 1st anyways, but even if they were going to hold teams to it this year, I don't believe Harden was considered a pending free agent until he declined the option, so I think they probably could have negotiated with him (and presumably did negotiate with him, which is how he got to the point where he didn't like their offers).