The OFFICIAL NBA Playoffs Thread

[nkhera1]

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Haven't you realized that the Suns have NEVER played good defense? They get through that by running the other team off the court, but now that they've met someone who can actually execute and exploit...

They actually played some good defense in the 3rd quarter. Hunter gave Duncan some fits, but the refs bailed him out.

[jmood88]

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Does Manu Ginobli annoy anyone else? I'm sick of seeing him constantly fall down after every single shot. He has taken Vlade Divac's crown as the flopper king of the nba.

[Shadow]

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Does Manu Ginobli annoy anyone else? I'm sick of seeing him constantly fall down after every single shot. He has taken Vlade Divac's crown as the flopper king of the nba.

I agree 100%. He's the one player I hate the most because off all his flopping.

[TheMatrix31]

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Yes, JMood. I've now coined him "Flopobili". He's awesome, except for his Oscar performances.

Remix, we play good defense when we want to. Stop discrediting that, please. In the regular season (yes, I know it doesnt matter), we were around the top 1/3rd in many defensive catagories.

[RubenDouglas]

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It's tough to say that the main reason they lost was because of the flops and the bailouts. It's tough because you gotta look at the fact if some of those calls were "turning points" in the game.

Not sure who to really blame. I didnt catch most of the game. Just the last 4 minutes. Going by that alone, defense won the game, and bad plays by Hunter.

[dieselboy]

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Yes, JMood. I've now coined him "Flopobili". He's awesome, except for his Oscar performances.

Remix, we play good defense when we want to. Stop discrediting that, please. In the regular season (yes, I know it doesnt matter), we were around the top 1/3rd in many defensive catagories.

Thank you. He flops allll the f***ing time.

[RubenDouglas]

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So what if he flops.

I hate how people can have just pure hate for another person. Does it make him less of a player in your opinion? You can practically say the same thing about karl malone and his excessive use of elbows and rodman getting away with the small cheapshots he got away with while fighting for a rebound.

I'm just trying to evaluate why there;s hate. Hate to just another him, or does it really affect the game? Do you feel it's unneeded and he's bad for the game by the way he plays?

He can't score 39 points all on flops, now can he? There's obviously talent in the player. But IMO, I call jumping into a player just to get a foul just as bad as the flopping you see from ginobili.. you play the game and try to have that edge over your opponent

[nkhera1]

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So what if he flops.

I hate how people can have just pure hate for another person. Does it make him less of a player in your opinion? You can practically say the same thing about karl malone and his excessive use of elbows and rodman getting away with the small cheapshots he got away with while fighting for a rebound.

I'm just trying to evaluate why there;s hate. Hate to just another him, or does it really affect the game. Do you feel it's unneeded and he's bad for the game by the way he plays?

He can't score 39 points all on flops, now can he?

So because other players got away with doing wrong things he should as well.

[RubenDouglas]

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not at all. but to me it sounds like all the people hating the way he flops are downplaying his actuall basketball ability. Is the flopping that bad to where you can say he's **** without being back by the refs? Maybe the hates warranted if you feel that way. either way i respect your opinions

(no sarcasm, just a question)

[bball_1523]

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flops, travels, elbows, cheap shots, complaining, getting superstar treatment = welcome to the NBA.

I don't think it's fair to call out only Manu in this area of flopping. I think you guys are just looking at especially because you've seen him flop a few times here and there. If you check out the rest of the nba, there are flops everywhere and even by the best of them.

Not only do nba players flop, a lot of them hide in the key for 50 seconds, take 15 steps to the basket (*cough* shaq *cough*), complain for a foul on every possession (...kobe...), constantly foul (fortson, mark madsen), hook players, fart on players, take a dump on the court, you name it.

Since most of the nba is garbage IMO, I can care less if Manu flops. It doesn't affect or add to his amazing talent that he really already has had.

Now I don't wanna just support the spurs here or say that spurs are getting the calls they want. I will agree that the Refs are horrible in the NBA and that is my opinion. They aren't just giving it to one team, it seems as if there's some kinda conspiracy with the refs, at least that's what I think.

[jmood88]

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I don't think it's fair to call out only Manu in this area of flopping. I think you guys are just looking at especially because you've seen him flop a few times here and there. If you check out the rest of the nba, there are flops everywhere and even by the best of them.

Here and there? Please, he flops more than anyone in the league. I don't have a problem with someone flopping a couple times but when you flop just about everytime you take a shot it gets annoying, especially when he is the one who is running into the other guy.

[dieselboy]

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So what if he flops.

I hate how people can have just pure hate for another person. Does it make him less of a player in your opinion? You can practically say the same thing about karl malone and his excessive use of elbows and rodman getting away with the small cheapshots he got away with while fighting for a rebound.

I'm just trying to evaluate why there;s hate. Hate to just another him, or does it really affect the game? Do you feel it's unneeded and he's bad for the game by the way he plays?

He can't score 39 points all on flops, now can he? There's obviously talent in the player. But IMO, I call jumping into a player just to get a foul just as bad as the flopping you see from ginobili.. you play the game and try to have that edge over your opponent

Does it make him less of a player? Yes.
Does it really affect the game? Yes.
Do you feel that it is unneeded? Yes.
Do you feel he is bad for the game by the way he plays? Yes.
Can't score 39 by flopping? No, you can not. He is very talented, but that doesn't mean I can't dislike him for flopping.

[RubenDouglas]

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Here and there? Please, he flops more than anyone in the league. I don't have a problem with someone flopping a couple times but when you flop just about everytime you take a shot it gets annoying, especially when he is the one who is running into the other guy.

i remember playing ball and getting called out by the guys for flopping. I wasn't though.. thats just how my body reacted to contact.

im not defending the guy buy sometimes people are prone to "huge" reactions on getting bumped... either that or maybe he's not that strong and gets tossed around, but it looks like excessive "movement or a flop"

[TheMatrix31]

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It's not about him being less of a player.......it just ruins the integrity of the game. It pretty much IS cheating, except the refs arent picking up on it. Flopping is a sign of dirty, unclean play, and nothing anyone can say will convince me otherwise.

Is Ginobili bad ***? Yes......however, he needs to cut the flopping if he wants some respect. That is flat out garbage right there.

I'm not blaming the loss on flopping or bad calls...however it doesnt help the cause. We lost b/c the Spurs played better than us, simple as that. But dont go and tell me that flopping or bad calls have nothing to do with the loss or dont change the integrity of the game.

All the damn international players flop, it seems. Some domestic ones too (Bowen, Horry, Fisher, Fox, Kobe, etc)....but it's as if the international players picked up flopping from their damn soccer or something.

BE A MAN AND PLAY!


Oh...and I have a few other comments. I thought there was a 3 in the key rule in effect in the NBA? It sure didnt seem like it today and it sure hasnt seemed like it for years it seems. I cant believe how many 3 in the key's werent called today. It's downright ridiculous how long players were camping out.

Also, there were so many traveling offenses that were uncalled, it was sickening to watch. Duncan traveled MORE than a few times, so did Parker and Ginobili, and I only recall one called on Duncan later on in the game. Pathetic.

[utexas]

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LOL at the Suns fans for getting mad about other players flopping. What irony.