The 2015 New York Knicks: Year 1 of Life "After" Dolan

[ehh]

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We lack dogs. Guys that would bleed on the court. You'll never see Joakim Noah or Zach Randolph not fighting for boards or not knocking someone down in the lane.

Not the best choice of reference.

[bigeastbumrush]

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I used him because of what we allowed him to do.

He's a perimeter guy who can hit a mid range shot. But he was here taking 3 pointers. Lack of control or whatever, in Memphis he makes his living down low.

I was against bringing in Quincy Acy (props bigfnjoe) but we need more like him.

We're not lighting up the scoreboard anyway so might as well knock some guys around.

Shump's got a little dog in him but he thinks he's finesse. Kyle Korver and Evan Fournier should not be lighting us up.

[bigfnjoe96]

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You just can't make up the way we lost last night.

#ISTHISREALLIFE

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[bigeastbumrush]

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LayOnTheFloorForOkafor

We're gonna miss the playoffs despite having 50+ moral victories if you have Fish tell it.

[ehh]

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I'm not going to make it to Thanksgiving with this team, especially now that college basketball has started.

[Vast]

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I have to admit that this is the first time in a long time that losing isn't bothering me as much, for a few reasons.

1. I actually like the coach we have. I'll admit i definitely liked Woodson at first, but then it became obvious the accountability crap he spewed went out the window early that first season. His offensive scheme was a modified handme down of D'anphony, & all the defensive switching was a nightmare.
Fisher is constantly coaching, talking to the players one on one when they sub out of games. He holds them accountable I don't think he cares who they are(superstar or not). Plus Phil got his back.
I don't mind him constantly changing the rotations. It's the beginning of the season this is exactly the time to experiment, especially with all the injuries.

2. The offense. I'm soo glad the Knicks have a system in place. I've never seen this team get soo many good looks. Melo consistently catching the ball 10 feet from the basket. These guys are just not hitting shots, but i think that's going to change. When the ball is moving which is most of the time it's a beautiful sight. The defense is our weakness but they look better than last year(Dalembert better than Chandler defensively imo) & with the right personnel it'll improve.

3. The culture. The fact that the Knicks have finally been freed from Dolan's chubby little clutches is a reason for celebration alone.

So yeah the Knicks have a losing record but look at the roster. Our starting PF is Quincy Acy(who i like) & our starting PG is Larkin. Jason Smith is playing big minutes. Travis Wear is out there playing. lol I hope that when Calderon returns we'll see improvement but either way i'm happy with the direction they're heading.

[Vast]

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Something I want to add is that we actually have our own pick this year. Not that I want to lose, but knowing that it gets us closer to Okafor/Towns/Alexander, I'm not close to pissed.

Haha true. I forgot about that. As a Knicks fan i don't even remember what getting a good draft pick feels like. We haven't sniffed a #1 pick in ages.

[Jeffx]

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3. The culture. The fact that the Knicks have finally been freed from Dolan's chubby little clutches is a reason for celebration alone.

But how long will that last if the losses keep piling up?

[bigeastbumrush]

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Bargnani:

1. Hurts elbow
2. Misses remainder of 2013 season
3. "Healthy" again
4. Plays in one 2014 preseason game
5. Strains hamstring
6. Misses first month of 2014 regular season
7. "Healthy" again
8. Practices
9. Strains calf
10. Out indefinitely

People may not want to equate this but I believe that this was the absolute worst trade the Knicks have made since the late 1980s.

The Layden years, the Isaiah years, all of them.

Even when we traded for scrubs, at least we got something out of them.

I actually liked Grunwald but I'm starting to think he knew he was on his way out and figured he'd just screw them anyway possible by making this trade.

[Vast]

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ARe you kidding me??! Bargnani is out again for a different injury?? Ok he is now officially Mr. Glass. Worst trade? You might be right.

[Jeffx]

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Knicks are so pathetic, I actually long for the bad old days of Isiah & Starbury.

[ehh]

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1) This happens on all cellar dwelling teams in all sports. There should be anger and resentment in the locker room.

2) While THJr is the last person who should be calling Melo out it's about time someone did and got his in his face. Melo is the biggest phony in the last 25 years in the NBA. Every criticism he gets is deserved, the "he's so criticized that he's now one of the more underrated players in the NBA" is way off. No "great" player would have their team at 4-19. You put any of the other top guys in this league on the Knicks right now instead of Melo and we're a lot better than 4-19. Melo is clearly letting the growing pains on the offensive end of the floor impact his rebounding and defense, just like it always has. He goes in the tank when his offense isn't on point. He stops playing hard and gets lazier than usual. His mental toughness is embarrassing.

3) This is a work in progress and an example of the culture that we need to change. We have selfish, stupid players all over the roster. We have so many guys that don't, or won't, defend. We have all these divas that need to be shown the door.

4) This team has absolutely zero leadership. None in the locker room and it doesn't seem like Fisher is providing much either. We mentioned this last year but the only time Melo has ever been successful is when he has older vets to handle the leadership duties like he did two years ago with Sheed, Kidd and Kurt Thomas. Melo is a child, he's concerned with getting his and that's it. I don't think he's mentally or emotionally capable of being a leader. He doesn't get it, he's not wired that way, he'll never lead. I've said this since before Melo ever joined the Knicks - when the going gets tough Melo packs it in, sulks and let's the situation win. He's not resilient, he never has been unless you misconstrue his endless gunning as being resilient. I'm sure he'll get a pass for plenty of fans thanks to his knee woes. It seems like Melo has zero interest in basketball this season. Four more years of him, brutal.

[bigeastbumrush]

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Well Melo flat out said he's more concerned with his brand than anything else.

You would think for a guy whose never won would have more desire for what happens on the court and wins and losses.

I think he's packed it in. Early.

I also think some of the assistant coaches (mainly Rambis) want Fisher to fail.

I turned to the Pelicans game late (haven't watched a Knick game end to end all season) and JR just brought the ball up court and shot it. Not one pass. Nothing.

Any other coach wouldve hooked him. But Fisher kept him in and didn't even say anything to him at the timeout.

Fact is: we boneheadedly bid against ourselves for Melo. I wish we forced his hand to Chicago but that's water under the bridge at this point.

It's very hard to win in this league with guys who have never won. Phil's "loser mentality" was spot on. You see it with so many players around the league sitting on fat contracts but don't have that fire in the belly to win (Melo, Rudy Gay, DWill, etc).

At this point, only seeing Okafor holding up a Knicks jersey in June can make me smile.

[ehh]

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Assuming for a second that Broussard's report was actually correct, tell me that this isn't the biggest "loser's mentatility" statement ever...

Players believe the system -- which has been implemented under first-year team president and 11-time championship winning coach Phil Jackson -- is predictable and want to run something else, the report says.

So an offense that's heavily based on read-and-react to the defense is predictable? An offense that's biggest strength is that it IS NOT predictable...and our ******* roster thinks it's too predictable. An offense that won 11 titles is too easy to stop?

They want to go back to Woody's ultra-predictable/uncreative isolation offense that won us absolutely nothing, and has never won a damn thing in NBA history, period. Back to Meloball?

Last season, under Woodson, the Knicks switched on defense. This season, under Fisher, they don't switch, which has some players grumbling.

So our locker room wants to go back to Woody's defensive system which promoted laziness and lack of accountability. They want to go back to Woody's defensive system that made us one of the worst defenses in the NBA and drove a former DPOY absolutely insane. Awesome.

Also, the day after losses, Woodson would typically hold voluntarily workouts that were light and nondemanding. Fisher, however, holds full-fledged practices and works the players hard.

"Guys are definitely frustrated," one source said. "But some of it's just basketball stuff that the players don't like doing. When somebody's demanding that you make a hard cut, you don't like it because you have to work harder. When someone says it's not OK to throw a bulls--- pass, guys don't like it."

But the players don't feel like Fisher is being too hard on them, sources said. In fact, some feel his sideline demeanor is too stoic and that they would like to see more emotion out of him.

Similar to above, our locker room wants to go back to Woody's ways, the player's coach who was way too easy on them and allowed them to slack off? Allowed them to play lazy defense. Just to be clear - our professional, NBA basketball players do not want to do basic basketball things. Let that sink in for a minute.

Our roster is SO ****ING STUPID! These AAU era players man, just go "full Spurs" and make 90% of the roster foreign-born players. I'm pretty sure I'm done for the year, I can't bother with this group of losers anymore.

[bigeastbumrush]

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I said to myself the same thing about AAU.

These dudes stay dapping each other up instead of knocking someone on their behind.

I'm actually not sick of what's going on this year because- 1. I haven't invested the time to watch this garbage and 2. I just knew they'd be bad after watching the preseason.

I hope they continue to lose. I just don't want to see them do something moronic like trade THJr.

Predictable is what happens when Tyson Chandler set a high screen or when Shump is stationed in the corner or when Melo gets the ball on the low block or when...

You get the point.

You can tell whose making the comments. Take out the new FAs, rookies and 2nd year players and who do you have left?

Earl
Shump
Melo
Amare
Prigioni
Aldrich
Bargnani




Process of elimination doesn't get any easier.