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  • DieHardYankee26
    BING BONG
    • Feb 2008
    • 10178

    #181
    Re: The 2022 New York Knicks: Kemba Comes Home

    How much space would we need to clear for Ayton?
    Originally posted by G Perico
    If I ain't got it, then I gotta take it
    I can't hide who I am, baby I'm a gangster
    In the Rolls Royce, steppin' on a mink rug
    The clique just a gang of bosses that linked up

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    • bigeastbumrush
      My Momma's Son
      • Feb 2003
      • 19245

      #182
      Re: The 2022 New York Knicks: Kemba Comes Home

      Originally posted by DieHardYankee26
      How much space would we need to clear for Ayton?

      Don’t know but packaging all of these deals (Kemba, Burks, and Noel) into a 3-team S&T with Dallas would create a trade exception for the Knicks.

      I don’t think they’re looking at Ayton though.

      I would think they want another backcourt player.

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      • Hassan Darkside
        We Here
        • Sep 2003
        • 7561

        #183
        Re: The 2022 New York Knicks: Kemba Comes Home

        Some rumors around Dejounte Murray's name but I'm not going to hold my breath. It would also be even more of a spacing nightmare.
        [NYK|DAL|VT]
        A true MC, y'all doing them regular degular dance songs
        You losin' your teeth, moving like using Kevin Durant comb
        Royce da 5'9"


        Originally posted by DCAllAmerican
        How many brothers fell victim to the skeet.........

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        • DieHardYankee26
          BING BONG
          • Feb 2008
          • 10178

          #184
          Re: The 2022 New York Knicks: Kemba Comes Home

          We’re not in a position to trade any unprotected picks so that should be an automatic no. I’m mostly indifferent to the Brunson signing. If Leon somehow manages to trade Randle to the Mavs in a sign and trade that would move him up a notch in my book. That would put him at notch 1.

          I expect Randle to bounce back at least some next season so Brunson-Fournier-RJ-Randle-Mitch with a IQ-Rose-Grimes-Obi-Sims bench isn’t the worst thing I’ve ever heard. I would rather we just have drafted Duren and tried to use some of those seconds to get out of last offseasons deals to bottom out. I’m still not really sure what the plan is other than Leon getting another of his sons clients paid, this time his own godson. I’m looking for a Dolan email address where I can file a complaint for this but can’t find one. It’s getting ridiculous.
          Originally posted by G Perico
          If I ain't got it, then I gotta take it
          I can't hide who I am, baby I'm a gangster
          In the Rolls Royce, steppin' on a mink rug
          The clique just a gang of bosses that linked up

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          • bigeastbumrush
            My Momma's Son
            • Feb 2003
            • 19245

            #185
            The 2022 New York Knicks: Kemba Comes Home

            I wouldn’t mind making an offer to Nic Claxton of the Nets. We’re gonna need a 3rd center.

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            • Hassan Darkside
              We Here
              • Sep 2003
              • 7561

              #186
              Re: The 2022 New York Knicks: Kemba Comes Home

              I'm skeptical that San Antonio would find someone that would give up 3+ unprotected picks. They might have to settle somewhere in the middle.

              Regardless, I'm in the bargaining stage. Deep down I wish we would have done a full rebuild but the FO seems to be building a competitor, not a contender, with their finger hovering over the reset button.

              The next 2-3 Free Agency classes are pretty underwhelming and unless we can hire more fathers, I don't see us getting any of the 2-3 big fish that those classes have.

              CBA is up in 2 years with a mutual opt-out at the end of this upcoming season. One way or another, I'm sure big cap changes will be on the horizon and we'll see Randle and Brunson's contracts look more like starter-level deals and not star-level deals which I'm sure Leon is considering.

              We also own Dallas's 2023 draft pick (top 10 protected) and them losing their second-best player *should* improve that pick.

              I was thinking about how when we traded KP for DSJ, he was considered by some to be the best PG we've had since Marbury. Jalen Brunson is leaps and bounds beyond any PG to wear a Knicks jersey in the last decade.
              [NYK|DAL|VT]
              A true MC, y'all doing them regular degular dance songs
              You losin' your teeth, moving like using Kevin Durant comb
              Royce da 5'9"


              Originally posted by DCAllAmerican
              How many brothers fell victim to the skeet.........

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              • bigeastbumrush
                My Momma's Son
                • Feb 2003
                • 19245

                #187
                Re: The 2022 New York Knicks: Kemba Comes Home

                Originally posted by Hassan Darkside
                I'm skeptical that San Antonio would find someone that would give up 3+ unprotected picks. They might have to settle somewhere in the middle.

                Regardless, I'm in the bargaining stage. Deep down I wish we would have done a full rebuild but the FO seems to be building a competitor, not a contender, with their finger hovering over the reset button.

                The next 2-3 Free Agency classes are pretty underwhelming and unless we can hire more fathers, I don't see us getting any of the 2-3 big fish that those classes have.

                CBA is up in 2 years with a mutual opt-out at the end of this upcoming season. One way or another, I'm sure big cap changes will be on the horizon and we'll see Randle and Brunson's contracts look more like starter-level deals and not star-level deals which I'm sure Leon is considering.

                We also own Dallas's 2023 draft pick (top 10 protected) and them losing their second-best player *should* improve that pick.

                I was thinking about how when we traded KP for DSJ, he was considered by some to be the best PG we've had since Marbury. Jalen Brunson is leaps and bounds beyond any PG to wear a Knicks jersey in the last decade.

                Basically that.

                By seeing what they’re doing I’m starting to hope that they keep all of those 1st rounders regardless of when they convey.

                Seems like they’ve finally woken up and realized that they can’t snag a big fish in free agency anymore so you overpay young talent to play hard and competitive ball hoping that one of your draft picks eventually blows up.

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                • nuckles2k2
                  MVP
                  • Sep 2006
                  • 1922

                  #188
                  Re: The 2022 New York Knicks: Kemba Comes Home

                  Didn't take 3+ unprotected picks. Hawks got DJ for Gallo and a handful of picks, some with protections. None in next year's "loaded" draft class.

                  Knicks could have easily attached 2 picks acquired during the draft, a lightly protected pick in 2024, a swap in '25. Plus Reddish or something.

                  We better be getting more than Brunson & a $10M+/yr Mitch.

                  This is unbelievable when you look at what it took ATL to get DJ.

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                  • bigeastbumrush
                    My Momma's Son
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 19245

                    #189
                    Re: The 2022 New York Knicks: Kemba Comes Home

                    I’m not giving all that up for Murray.

                    Unprotected picks and swaps? It’s gotta be someone on Dame’s level at a minimum.

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                    • lilteapot
                      MVP
                      • Aug 2013
                      • 4550

                      #190
                      Re: The 2022 New York Knicks: Kemba Comes Home

                      Brunson fits better, even though Murray is a much better player. Murray would've struggled with the lack of consistent shooting in our starting lineup.

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                      • nuckles2k2
                        MVP
                        • Sep 2006
                        • 1922

                        #191
                        Re: The 2022 New York Knicks: Kemba Comes Home

                        Mitch at $15M/yr is the last signing.

                        Everything just feels incomplete.

                        PG – Brunson, Rose, McBride
                        SG – Fournier, Grimes, Quickley
                        SF – Barrett, Reddish
                        PF – Randle, Toppin
                        C – Robinson, Hartenstein, Sims

                        Plus up to 8 first round picks over the next five years (depending on conveyance)

                        I woulda moved three of those eight picks for DJ Murray & used some of the cap space on Bamba (a five who will get outta the way on offense). There's not enough outside threats in that starting 5 right now. Brunson won't have the spacing he enjoyed in DAL.

                        2nd unit might be interesting (yet again) with Rose, Quick, Reddish/Grimes (prob Grimes), Toppin, Hartenstein. But feels like there has to be something else in the works tho (some sort of trade); otherwise this is basically the same team: crowded, non-athletic/dynamic starting 5; exciting 2nd unit that will run & can build mini-leads/close the distance that the starters squander.

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                        • bigeastbumrush
                          My Momma's Son
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 19245

                          #192
                          Re: The 2022 New York Knicks: Kemba Comes Home

                          Originally posted by nuckles2k2
                          Mitch at $15M/yr is the last signing.

                          Everything just feels incomplete.

                          PG – Brunson, Rose, McBride
                          SG – Fournier, Grimes, Quickley
                          SF – Barrett, Reddish
                          PF – Randle, Toppin
                          C – Robinson, Hartenstein, Sims

                          Plus up to 8 first round picks over the next five years (depending on conveyance)

                          I woulda moved three of those eight picks for DJ Murray & used some of the cap space on Bamba (a five who will get outta the way on offense). There's not enough outside threats in that starting 5 right now. Brunson won't have the spacing he enjoyed in DAL.

                          2nd unit might be interesting (yet again) with Rose, Quick, Reddish/Grimes (prob Grimes), Toppin, Hartenstein. But feels like there has to be something else in the works tho (some sort of trade); otherwise this is basically the same team: crowded, non-athletic/dynamic starting 5; exciting 2nd unit that will run & can build mini-leads/close the distance that the starters squander.

                          Agree about terrible spacing.
                          Disagree about Murray and Bamba.

                          With this team’s history, I’m not giving up unprotected 1st and pick swaps. And Bamba just got overpaid. Hartenstein can do everything (besides block shots) and better.

                          I don’t think another deal is coming.

                          My issue (besides Randle) is Fournier. He gives us spacing but that is absolutely it. I was hoping we’d be able to get a defensive wing somewhere but all we can hope for is Reddish and Grimes become that if they get minutes.

                          This is a low lottery team on paper that will upset the contenders every now and then. Hopefully with Brunson we’ve seen the very last of Point Randle.

                          RJ needs to take another leap but everything in me says he can’t do it.

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                          • nuckles2k2
                            MVP
                            • Sep 2006
                            • 1922

                            #193
                            Re: The 2022 New York Knicks: Kemba Comes Home

                            Originally posted by bigeastbumrush
                            Agree about terrible spacing.
                            Disagree about Murray and Bamba.

                            With this team’s history, I’m not giving up unprotected 1st and pick swaps. And Bamba just got overpaid. Hartenstein can do everything (besides block shots) and better.

                            I don’t think another deal is coming.

                            My issue (besides Randle) is Fournier. He gives us spacing but that is absolutely it. I was hoping we’d be able to get a defensive wing somewhere but all we can hope for is Reddish and Grimes become that if they get minutes.

                            This is a low lottery team on paper that will upset the contenders every now and then. Hopefully with Brunson we’ve seen the very last of Point Randle.

                            RJ needs to take another leap but everything in me says he can’t do it.
                            All fair points. Although I still think the Knicks could have offered something for Murray based around those 3 protected picks from draft night. The diff between an ATL unprotected pick and a DET/WAS protected--til they're playoff teams--pick can't be that much. Knicks never made an offer tho, so I dunno..

                            But, for $60M over 4 years, Mitch has to develop some type of scoring outside of 2' from the cup. Knicks don't have the creative finishers to score in a congested paint when he's hovering around the dunker's spot and dragging extra bodies in to camp the paint. Get ready for more mind-numbing half-court offense if not

                            Hoping the Knicks don't get those meaningless "oh wow where'd that come from?" wins this year. Effectively tank by not trying to tank in true Knicks fashion & improve our chances at either Victor Wembanyama or at least a top-4 pick for the next FO.

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                            • Hassan Darkside
                              We Here
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 7561

                              #194
                              Re: The 2022 New York Knicks: Kemba Comes Home

                              I'm fine without Murray at that price. 3 protected picks isn't better than what Atlanta offered anyway. Murray's a good player but he's not a franchise-altering player.

                              The way it is these days signing an All-Star/All-NBA caliber player outright is harder to do than trading for one. We at least continue to add pieces and picks to be able to do that if the opportunity does come.
                              [NYK|DAL|VT]
                              A true MC, y'all doing them regular degular dance songs
                              You losin' your teeth, moving like using Kevin Durant comb
                              Royce da 5'9"


                              Originally posted by DCAllAmerican
                              How many brothers fell victim to the skeet.........

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                              • DieHardYankee26
                                BING BONG
                                • Feb 2008
                                • 10178

                                #195
                                Re: The 2022 New York Knicks: Kemba Comes Home

                                Just to see where everyone’s head is at, where do we stand on including RJ for Onovan Mitchell? I am not a fan of bro but I’m also with BigEast in that I’m not really sure if there’s another step for RJ to take.

                                A lot depends on what the next RJ deal looks like. If we sign him now for what he’s worth (5/90-100) then he’s golden in my book. If he waits, we have to worry about someone overpaying to try to **** us, word to Jeremy Lin. But I’m also not sure he’s the guy you break the bank for when we see Ayton isn’t even getting a lot of love. Then there’s the third case where he shows out this year and proves himself worth the max or whatever, but that feels like a pipe dream, less than 1% chance kinda thing.
                                Originally posted by G Perico
                                If I ain't got it, then I gotta take it
                                I can't hide who I am, baby I'm a gangster
                                In the Rolls Royce, steppin' on a mink rug
                                The clique just a gang of bosses that linked up

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