Jones-Calzaghe

[SHAKYR]

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I have no interest in discussing boxing at this moment, but "much" is grossly incorrect.

If JC loses, it will be because of Roy's grossly underrated accuracy and counterpunching ability, not his slightly overrated speed.

And it can be easily turned around, RJJ has never, not even close, encountered what he going to have to deal with when he fights JC. And RJJ is way too good and classy to mug like B-Hop and mask the conditions of the fight.

I'll accept this. To me Calazghe fights like highly skilled olympian boxer pitty patting wins out of people.Remember Roy Jones was an olympic boxer...hmmmmm.

[thelwig14]

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I'll accept this. To me Calazghe fights like highly skilled olympian boxer pitty patting wins out of people.Remember Roy Jones was an olympic boxer...hmmmmm.

Pitty patty can't be used for Calzaghe. Though he isn't powerful, he is also isn't pitty patty because of the sheer amount of punches he throws from all varying angles that goes far above the usual definition of pitty patter who just tries to win the rounds. 1000 punches from an accurate 170 pound man will make a difference. He is an accumulation puncher that has led to enough KO's.

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[bigeastbumrush]

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Pitty patty can't be used for Calzaghe. Though he isn't powerful, he is also isn't pitty patty because of the sheer amount of punches he throws from all varying angles that goes far above the usual definition of pitty patter who just tries to win the rounds. 1000 punches from an accurate 170 pound man will make a difference. He is an accumulation puncher that has led to enough KO's.

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You have yet to mention Calazaghe's defense, or lack thereof. Jones' handspeed is still lightning fast despite how little he seems to punch nowadays.

Hopkins floored him on a counter if I remember correctly.

I definately expect Jones to drop him at least once.

Plus I think RJJ will be much more motivated than Calazaghe. Calazaghe seems to read his own press clippings a little too much.

[parker002]

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You have yet to mention Calazaghe's defense, or lack thereof. Jones' handspeed is still lightning fast despite how little he seems to punch nowadays.

Hopkins floored him on a counter if I remember correctly.

I definately expect Jones to drop him at least once.

Calzaghe's "defense" is his offense. You're not gonna be able to hit him if you can't throw punches. Jones still has handspeed, as you say, but he's gonna have to find a way to get into position to use it.

As for Hopkins, there wasn't a point in that fight where he "floored" Calzaghe. He did get in some good shots though, and he did that by changing the flow of the fight. All he did was grab and hold, grab and hold.

That was my point earlier. If Jones thinks he's gonna outpunch Calzaghe straight up, I think he's gonna lose. He needs to watch the Hopkins fight and take a page from Bernard's playbook. Lean on Calzaghe, tie him up, ruin his rhythm. That's where RJJ's handspeed comes in - he should be able to take better advantage of those openings than Hopkins did.

Plus I think RJJ will be much more motivated than Calazaghe. Calazaghe seems to read his own press clippings a little too much.

What?

You were making a decent point until the last 2 sentences.

Calzaghe has a chance to finish with one of the best professional records ever. If he can beat RJJ, he'll be one of "those guys" that will be talked about amongst the all-time greats. There's plenty of motivation in that.

As for Calzaghe reading his own press clippings, you've obviously not followed him very closely. He's very humble, especially for a boxer.

[Jon22]

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[Vast]

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^ what is that suppose to be?

This fight the more i think about it the more excited i get. I just hope if Joe wins he fights at least 1 more time.

[Jon22]

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It means I have been hoping this fight would happen and glad now it is official

[Guillotine 1]

Re: Jones-Calzaghe

Roy Jones by TKO!

Why? Joe punches in bunches, but his punches lack technique & power. Calzaghe is a two handed arm puncher, who lands slapping blows. While he is undefeated, can anyone name the fighters he has beaten other than Mikkel Kessler & a 50 year old B-Hop?

Roy has susperior hand speed, is more accurate, throws sharper-harder punches, has fought tougher fighters over his career, is the more intelligent boxer, and needs the W more than Calzaghe. Roy can be the aggressor and beat Joe to the punch all night, (which would be more risky), or he can counter-punch joe early in the fight until Joe losses a bit of his steam and his technique starts to fall apart (which it will)...then he can pick him apart.

I see Joe Calzaghe as the perfect opponent for Roy Jones. He is a legitamate established (undefeated) champion, with the kind of flaws Roy Jones can reveal to the world at will. I see a shutout. The only problem I see for Roy Jones is...what next? Pavlik, and Dawson are fights Roy should not win & a Tarver fight is beating a dead horse. Fighting Sam Peter is insane...so

...I say Felix Sturm, he holds a title, he is very good fighter, and he's german. What more can your ask for?

[thelwig14]

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Roy Jones by TKO!

Why? Joe punches in bunches, but his punches lack technique & power. Calzaghe is a two handed arm puncher, who lands slapping blows. While he is undefeated, can anyone name the fighters he has beaten other than Mikkel Kessler & a 50 year old B-Hop?

Roy has susperior hand speed, is more accurate, throws sharper-harder punches, has fought tougher fighters over his career, is the more intelligent boxer, and needs the W more than Calzaghe. Roy can be the aggressor and beat Joe to the punch all night, (which would be more risky), or he can counter-punch joe early in the fight until Joe losses a bit of his steam and his technique starts to fall apart (which it will)...then he can pick him apart.

I see Joe Calzaghe as the perfect opponent for Roy Jones. He is a legitamate established (undefeated) champion, with the kind of flaws Roy Jones can reveal to the world at will. I see a shutout. The only problem I see for Roy Jones is...what next? Pavlik, and Dawson are fights Roy should not win & a Tarver fight is beating a dead horse. Fighting Sam Peter is insane...so

...I say Felix Sturm, he holds a title, he is very good fighter, and he's german. What more can your ask for?

There is a common misconception that JC has not fought anybody. Just because the names aren't recognizable, similar to a lot of RJJ's resume, does not mean that they aren't good victories. Both fighters ABSOLUTELY cleaned out their respective divisions while going up and beating a titleholder in a higher division (RJJ cherry picked-Ruiz, JC beat the best-B-Hop).

Sturm? Won't happen. Sturm is one of the biggest disappointments (from a worldwide perspective) of the last 15 years and he is totally content with staying in Europe and making a ton of money. Plus, he isn't too keen on the US after getting jobbed against DLH, which in fact, I can't blame him too much on that one.

[LP]

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Roy Jones by TKO!

Why? Joe punches in bunches, but his punches lack technique & power. Calzaghe is a two handed arm puncher, who lands slapping blows. While he is undefeated, can anyone name the fighters he has beaten other than Mikkel Kessler & a 50 year old B-Hop?

Roy has susperior hand speed, is more accurate, throws sharper-harder punches, has fought tougher fighters over his career, is the more intelligent boxer, and needs the W more than Calzaghe. Roy can be the aggressor and beat Joe to the punch all night, (which would be more risky), or he can counter-punch joe early in the fight until Joe losses a bit of his steam and his technique starts to fall apart (which it will)...then he can pick him apart.

I see Joe Calzaghe as the perfect opponent for Roy Jones. He is a legitamate established (undefeated) champion, with the kind of flaws Roy Jones can reveal to the world at will. I see a shutout. The only problem I see for Roy Jones is...what next? Pavlik, and Dawson are fights Roy should not win & a Tarver fight is beating a dead horse. Fighting Sam Peter is insane...so

...I say Felix Sturm, he holds a title, he is very good fighter, and he's german. What more can your ask for?

What does being German have to do with anything?

[thelwig14]

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What does being German have to do with anything?

I don't think anything to do with substance, but to help out his educated comment, there is a TON of money in Germany for boxing and Sturm has a very large following and has a name in the US because of the borderline DLH robbery.

[parker002]

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It's hard for me to understand the criticism of Calzaghe and the mention of Sturm in the same post.

Especially since Sturm is essentially a poor-man's German version of what everybody criticized Calzaghe for...

[parker002]

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^ what is that suppose to be?

This fight the more i think about it the more excited i get. I just hope if Joe wins he fights at least 1 more time.

I think we'd all like to see him fight a few more times. But if he beats RJJ, he'd be well-advised to go out undefeated. It will seal his legacy.

[Guillotine 1]

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What does being German have to do with anything?

For those who don't know. Floyd Mayweather joked with Roy Jones about taking the belts back from the European titlist years ago when they held all the belts. He wanted to start with Ricky Hatten, at that time Roy was looking at Joe Calzaghe & the Peter vs Vitali rematch was a hot buttom as well. The comment I made about Sturm being German was in reference to the comment Roy made in the past regarding taking the belts from the europeans, it has nothing to do with race, and was not based on any resentment of Sturm or, his countrymen.

Being black, I know exactly how ugly racism is & have no need or desire to subscribe to bigotry, hate, and violence.

Also, I did not mention Sturm in an effort to say he was a better fighter than Calzaghe. Just saying if Roy is looking to take belts which he is Sturm would be the best choice...as I do not see him surviving Sam Peter for 12 rounds. But that does not mean he can't do it.

[thelwig14]

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For those who don't know. Floyd Mayweather joked with Roy Jones about taking the belts back from the European titlist years ago when they held all the belts. He wanted to start with Ricky Hatten, at that time Roy was looking at Joe Calzaghe & the Peter vs Vitali rematch was a hot buttom as well. The comment I made about Sturm being German was in reference to the comment Roy made in the past regarding taking the belts from the europeans, it has nothing to do with race, and was not based on any resentment of Sturm or, his countrymen.

Being black, I know exactly how ugly racism is & have no need or desire to subscribe to bigotry, hate, and violence.

Also, I did not mention Sturm in an effort to say he was a better fighter than Calzaghe. Just saying if Roy is looking to take belts which he is Sturm would be the best choice...as I do not see him surviving Sam Peter for 12 rounds. But that does not mean he can't do it.

Roy avoided a few Euro's he should have fought in his prime, I don't see him fighting them now. Him fighting JC is a rare circumstance.