Jones-Calzaghe

[Bamtino]

Re: Jones-Calzaghe

It is a big error to judge JC's offense and openness for counters based on the Hopkins fight. There was a reason Hopkins held. There was a reason Hopkins only threw few punches. That is because he had to. If Hopkins would have opened up, the fight would have been stopped. JC adjusted to the fighter to make sure he won, because if he didn't fight reckless, JC would have lost the fight. He will fight a different fight against RJJ just like RJJ won't fight the same gameplan against JC as he did against Tito or Hanshaw or the Prince or anyone else during his second leg of his career.

ATG's change their gameplans for each fighter to give them the best chance to win. JC changed his for Hopkins. Hopkins changed his for JC, etc....

I can't wait for the fight. And I bet the house the winner will be decided in the first few rounds based off gameplans. If RJJ comes out and relies on power and counters, I think he will win. This also gives him the best chance because JC doesn't have one punch KO power which is one of RJJ's weaknesses. If he tries to come out and slug and match speed, he is in trouble because JC will eat him up in that type of fight.

I agree with everything except the bolded...

I don't know why some people act like Calzaghe has faster hands than RJJ...Even if his hands were as fast as RJJ which they're not Calzaghe doesn't really throw any real punches and he's not accurate...Against Hopkins most of Calzaghe's punches or slaps as some people call it hit Hopkins gloves, his connect rate was lousy...RJJ has faster hands, is a much better puncher and he is far more accurate...He just doesn't throw as many flurry's as Calzaghe...I doubt you will see RJJ engage in a slugfest though, that is just not his style and he doesn't need to slug it out with this guy...RJJ is more inclined to keep the fight in the center of the ring and move in and out quickly...A combination of jab, straight right mixed in with an uppercut here or there and i see RJJ connecting a lot...Calzaghe better know how to effectively cut off the ring because if he can't do that it will be a long night for him...

should be a great fight...

[thelwig14]

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This is not the RJJ of yesteryear or JC for that matter. JC has faster hands than RJJ at this point. RJJ has much better power and has much better accuracy.

[TequILLa]

Re: Jones-Calzaghe

Jones has lost a few steps in his footwork as he has gotten older but somehow still posses freakish quick hand speed. You can tell Joe admires Jones style and at times he trys to fight like Roy (to me). Big difference in hand speed and power advantage Roy. Roy will hurt Joe and even drop him once but it wll go the distance. Roy by decision

[parker002]

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The main reason Hopkins lost to Calzaghe was because he wasn't throwing any punches...

The ONLY reason Hopkins was even in the fight in the first place is because he grabbed ahold of JC every chance he got and wouldn't ever let go long enough to let JC throw any punches.

Like I said early on, if RJJ thinks he's gonna go toe-to-toe throwing punches with Calzaghe, he's gonna lose. Calzaghe's workrate is just too high to be outpointed.

RJJ needs to do what Hopkins did - tie him up, take away his rhythm, and hit him when the opportunity is right. The only thing he needs to change is that he needs to take more shots than B-Hop did.

[parker002]

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There was a reason Hopkins held. There was a reason Hopkins only threw few punches. That is because he had to.

QFT

[Guillotine 1]

Re: Jones-Calzaghe

All I can say is...there are some misguided views on this fight....and thats just my opinion. I think come fight time Joe Calzaghe will lose. He is a poser who acts like he can do the things RJJ has been doing for years...I'm taking Roy hands down.

[LP]

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All I can say is...there are some misguided views on this fight....and thats just my opinion. I think come fight time Joe Calzaghe will lose. He is a poser who acts like he can do the things RJJ has been doing for years...I'm taking Roy hands down.

I'm a bit confused here...How is Calzaghe a "poser who acts like he can do the things RJJ has been doing?" How are other peoples' views "misguided?" Is it because they don't agree with you? I'm not saying that RJJ can't win the fight, but to me, it sounds like you either 1) Absolutely hate Calzaghe or 2) Are a huge RJJ fan. Neither fighter would be taking this fight if they didn't think they could win it. Calzaghe doesn't want to blemish his record, and Roy can't afford a loss at this point in his career.

[thelwig14]

Re: Jones-Calzaghe

All I can say is...there are some misguided views on this fight....and thats just my opinion. I think come fight time Joe Calzaghe will lose. He is a poser who acts like he can do the things RJJ has been doing for years...I'm taking Roy hands down.

I have no horse in this race. I really like both fighters. And there is a good chance either one will lose. But calling JC a poser is one of the most ignorant things I have ever read and is just flat out wrong. And if he loses to RJJ, he still is an ATG. Poser? Give me a break.

[parker002]

Re: Jones-Calzaghe

Very few people stateside have any respect for JC. It's that simple. It's why you see threads like this one littered with phrases like "slap fighter".

I think what's misguided here is that it seems that those of us not willing to say RJJ is going to dominate this fight are being accused of saying RJJ has no shot to win at all. There's no middle ground, and that's wrong.

Me personally, I can't wait to see it. I don't see either fighter dominating the other, but that's just me. If RJJ fights the way I think he can, he'll likely win. But he can't win fighting exactly the way JC wants him to, and that's all there is to it.

[Po Pimp]

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QFT

I see people type this a lot, what does QFT mean?

[LP]

Re: Jones-Calzaghe

I see people type this a lot, what does QFT mean?

Quoted For Truth:wink:

[edaddy]

Re: Jones-Calzaghe

All I can say is...there are some misguided views on this fight....and thats just my opinion. I think come fight time Joe Calzaghe will lose. He is a poser who acts like he can do the things RJJ has been doing for years...I'm taking Roy hands down.

Then you should make a bunch of money on this fight bro!!..

[Guillotine 1]

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I'm a bit confused here...How is Calzaghe a "poser who acts like he can do the things RJJ has been doing?" How are other peoples' views "misguided?" Is it because they don't agree with you? I'm not saying that RJJ can't win the fight, but to me, it sounds like you either 1) Absolutely hate Calzaghe or 2) Are a huge RJJ fan. Neither fighter would be taking this fight if they didn't think they could win it. Calzaghe doesn't want to blemish his record, and Roy can't afford a loss at this point in his career.

I see, allow me to explain. When I say misguided views, I'm speaking about the perception of the fighters. As in, how they are viewed. As for me being a RJJ fan, all I can say is...I'm a boxing fan. I call the fights the way I see them, no bias. I have my favorites, sure. I think we all do. But, when I told people that Tarver would knock Roy out in the rematch I was laughed at. When I told people that Winky would pitch a shutout against Tito...I was laughed at.

I don't mean to come off as a know-it-all, that it not my intention. And I could be wrong in my assesment of the fight.

For example, if I were Cotto's trainer I would have had him fight Andre Burto instead of Margarito. Why not rematch Mosley? Fights that are still great entertainment value & legit opposition, but not foolish. It was unrealistic to think Cotto would be able to outlast such a bigger man with such a harder punch.

Just like this foolishness of Manny fighting Oscar. Freddy Roach is smoking hydro green if he thinks Manny can survive Oscars punching for 12 rounds. He's too small.

Margarito will get stopped by J. Clottey, so I know they won't fight him. Paul Williams stands no chance with Clottey either. I understand when I say these things its jmo, so I fully understand why you would react the way you did to my post.

[TheTruth916]

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For example, if I were Cotto's trainer I would have had him fight Andre Burto instead of Margarito. Why not rematch Mosley? Fights that are still great entertainment value & legit opposition, but not foolish. It was unrealistic to think Cotto would be able to outlast such a bigger man with such a harder punch.

Just like this foolishness of Manny fighting Oscar. Freddy Roach is smoking hydro green if he thinks Manny can survive Oscars punching for 12 rounds. He's too small.

I agree. That Cotto fighting Margarito was a mistake however you gotta eventually take a risk if your the top dog why not fight the best even though sometimes that might not be for the best career move.

As for Manny fighting Oscar...hey if Manny wants to fight Oscar like he is the one pushing for this fight then let him sign the papers and make him realize that he is just too small. However right now I see Manny determined to show the world it doesn't matter how small you are. Remember when RJJ went to Heavyweight and people said no way...this is similar. So don't be surprised if this fight goes down and it sees Manny winning.

[Guillotine 1]

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I agree. That Cotto fighting Margarito was a mistake however you gotta eventually take a risk if your the top dog why not fight the best even though sometimes that might not be for the best career move.

As for Manny fighting Oscar...hey if Manny wants to fight Oscar like he is the one pushing for this fight then let him sign the papers and make him realize that he is just too small. However right now I see Manny determined to show the world it doesn't matter how small you are. Remember when RJJ went to Heavyweight and people said no way...this is similar. So don't be surprised if this fight goes down and it sees Manny winning.

I hear you, and I'm not just saying that...I really hear you man. It can happen, its happened before and sooner or later it will happen again. I just think that Cotto had better options, or at least they did not HAVE to go after THAT fighter at THAT time. Should he have fought Margarito? Yes. I just think they had better options on the table, and they didn't even look at Burto, Mosley, or S. Mora.

I think S. Mora has the skill set needed to beat Margarito, and Williams...yet, his handlers have him rematching V. Forest who he dominated once already...I don't know...maybe its just boxing...

You are right, and I agree with you. At the same time I just think its hard to get to the top and I figure why take the biggest risk out there when you can still give yourself a very good challenge with fighters who are world class top notch guys.