Jones-Calzaghe

[King2812]

Re: Jones-Calzaghe

Jones by split decision. Those Calzaghe flurries will not be a factor in this fight like all the other ones. Calzaghe will go down atleast once.

[Bamtino]

Re: Jones-Calzaghe

I agree. That Cotto fighting Margarito was a mistake however you gotta eventually take a risk if your the top dog why not fight the best even though sometimes that might not be for the best career move.

As for Manny fighting Oscar...hey if Manny wants to fight Oscar like he is the one pushing for this fight then let him sign the papers and make him realize that he is just too small. However right now I see Manny determined to show the world it doesn't matter how small you are. Remember when RJJ went to Heavyweight and people said no way...this is similar. So don't be surprised if this fight goes down and it sees Manny winning.

How was Cotto fighting Margarito a mistake? Its not like Cotto had a choice here, he had to fight Margarito eventually...It was either fight Margarito or run like a coward like Mayweather Jr...

DLH/Pacquiao is now officially on according to ESPN...It will be at 147 with 8 ounce gloves...This fight imo is a lot harder to call than Jones/Calzaghe...When Jones moved up to Heavyweight and won a title his opponent was John Ruiz...The guy is a stiff and Jones, the far superior boxer of the two had no problem disposing of him...This is not the case for Pacquiao...Oscar is the better boxer of the two, has a good chin and who knows if Pacquiao's power will be as effective at 147...Its a tough call imo but it should be one heck of a fight...

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Re: Jones-Calzaghe

How was Cotto fighting Margarito a mistake? Its not like Cotto had a choice here, he had to fight Margarito eventually...It was either fight Margarito or run like a coward like Mayweather Jr...

DLH/Pacquiao is now officially on according to ESPN...It will be at 147 with 8 ounce gloves...This fight imo is a lot harder to call than Jones/Calzaghe...When Jones moved up to Heavyweight and won a title his opponent was John Ruiz...The guy is a stiff and Jones, the far superior boxer of the two had no problem disposing of him...This is not the case for Pacquiao...Oscar is the better boxer of the two, has a good chin and who knows if Pacquiao's power will be as effective at 147...Its a tough call imo but it should be one heck of a fight...

Run like a coward like Mayweather? Gimme a break. It would be the same fight as all the other Floyd fights... Floyd takes a couple/several rounds to adjust to the fighter, adjust his strategy, and then basically win just about every round until a unanimous decision or late knockout. To be Floyd you need to be in AMAZING shape, have devastating power, and be fast as hell. There are no fighters out there like that. Floyd has nothing to prove. His last 5 fights were all fights with guys that were supposedly a challenge before the fight. Afterwards, albeit most of them were not action packed, they ALL easily favored Floyd.

[marq]

Re: Jones-Calzaghe

This fight imo is a lot harder to call than Jones/Calzaghe...When Jones moved up to Heavyweight and won a title his opponent was John Ruiz...The guy is a stiff and Jones, the far superior boxer of the two had no problem disposing of him...

I don't know about that. A lot of experts actually picked Ruiz to win that fight, especially because they thought Ruiz would KO Jones. RJJ actually took a few hard punches to the face and withstood them before using his speed and jab. Really, look up the comments and majority of the articles before the fight, you will see what I'm talking about. It's easy to say after the fact that Jones would clearly win. There was even a doc on ESPN that played after the fight chronicaling the majority picking against RJJ for that fight and his training.

[Guillotine 1]

Re: Jones-Calzaghe

How was Cotto fighting Margarito a mistake? Its not like Cotto had a choice here, he had to fight Margarito eventually...It was either fight Margarito or run like a coward like Mayweather Jr...

DLH/Pacquiao is now officially on according to ESPN...It will be at 147 with 8 ounce gloves...This fight imo is a lot harder to call than Jones/Calzaghe...When Jones moved up to Heavyweight and won a title his opponent was John Ruiz...The guy is a stiff and Jones, the far superior boxer of the two had no problem disposing of him...This is not the case for Pacquiao...Oscar is the better boxer of the two, has a good chin and who knows if Pacquiao's power will be as effective at 147...Its a tough call imo but it should be one heck of a fight...

it was a mistake to take the fight at that time. There were other fights out there for Cotto that were legit top ranked fighters...the best in the business. They did not have to go right after margarito at that time. Yes, eventually. Yes, but why so soon? I just think his promoter pulled the trigger on that fight way too soon. He really did not stand a chance. He fought a great fight...but the man was just too much...I know it before hand. They should have let margarito fight Williams or Clottey first and then gave him a bit of a short turnaround for a Cotto match...that would have been smart.

[LP]

Re: Jones-Calzaghe

it was a mistake to take the fight at that time. There were other fights out there for Cotto that were legit top ranked fighters...the best in the business. They did not have to go right after margarito at that time. Yes, eventually. Yes, but why so soon? I just think his promoter pulled the trigger on that fight way too soon. He really did not stand a chance. He fought a great fight...but the man was just too much...I know it before hand. They should have let margarito fight Williams or Clottey first and then gave him a bit of a short turnaround for a Cotto match...that would have been smart.

They probably didn't want to take the chance of Margarito losing before their fight. That could have really ruined a big payday.

[Guillotine 1]

Re: Jones-Calzaghe

They probably didn't want to take the chance of Margarito losing before their fight. That could have really ruined a big payday.

No way, 1 loss??? That would have made that fight more interesting. If it would have happened. They had nothing to lose and nothing to gain in my opinion. If Flyod Mayweather lost a fight the media would rip him like he was never even a average fighter...but the minute he announced another fight it would be PPV, sold out, lets make big money off of Flyod.

By the way, on a side note...I'm am so glad Flyod is undefeated, they love to hate him...they know he's the best and he won't give them the satifaction so they can say "yeah, but."

Flyod- I feel you my nig. I feel you family.

[thelwig14]

Re: Jones-Calzaghe

No way, 1 loss??? That would have made that fight more interesting. If it would have happened. They had nothing to lose and nothing to gain in my opinion. If Flyod Mayweather lost a fight the media would rip him like he was never even a average fighter...but the minute he announced another fight it would be PPV, sold out, lets make big money off of Flyod.

By the way, on a side note...I'm am so glad Flyod is undefeated, they love to hate him...they know he's the best and he won't give them the satifaction so they can say "yeah, but."

Flyod- I feel you my nig. I feel you family.

First, PBF, though famous, can't carry a PPV by himself.

Second, PBF is ATG at lightweight and south. Maybe even the GOAT at that weight.

And finally, PBF is average anything north of 147. He has proven nothing at that level other than his conscious decision not to face certain fighters which only suggests that he is nothing more than an ATG south of 140.

[Bamtino]

Re: Jones-Calzaghe

it was a mistake to take the fight at that time. There were other fights out there for Cotto that were legit top ranked fighters...the best in the business. They did not have to go right after margarito at that time. Yes, eventually. Yes, but why so soon? I just think his promoter pulled the trigger on that fight way too soon. He really did not stand a chance. He fought a great fight...but the man was just too much...I know it before hand. They should have let margarito fight Williams or Clottey first and then gave him a bit of a short turnaround for a Cotto match...that would have been smart.

The way i see it, the only way you can call it a mistake is if Cotto wasn't ready to fight Margarito at that time...If he was ready to fight him what do you gain out of postponing this inevitable showdown? Certainly not more money, in fact you stand to lose a lot of money if either one of them suffers a defeat...Its not as if Margarito 2 or 3 fights down the road was going to be any less physically overwhelming and hungry for the spotlight...Cotto wasn't going to grow an extra 3 feet and be blessed with PBF's stamina...Bottom line is Cotto was as ready as he ever would have been for that fight and got beat by a beast...This fight would not have went any different had it happened at another point in time...As they say, styles make fights and Cotto was at a disadvantage...Cotto's physical make up and style was never going to be favorable againt Margarito...

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Re: Jones-Calzaghe

The way i see it, the only way you can call it a mistake is if Cotto wasn't ready to fight Margarito at that time...If he was ready to fight him what do you gain out of postponing this inevitable showdown? Certainly not more money, in fact you stand to lose a lot of money if either one of them suffers a defeat...Its not as if Margarito 2 or 3 fights down the road was going to be any less physically overwhelming and hungry for the spotlight...Cotto wasn't going to grow an extra 3 feet and be blessed with PBF's stamina...Bottom line is Cotto was as ready as he ever would have been for that fight and got beat by a beast...This fight would not have went any different had it happened at another point in time...As they say, styles make fights and Cotto was at a disadvantage...Cotto's physical make up and style was never going to be favorable againt Margarito...

So why did they have to hurry up, and run him towards his first defeat as quickly as they could??? Boxing is a dirty business, and you can't even see how dirty Miguel Cotto just got treated by his own money hungery managers...lol. They knew just like I knew what Margarito was going to do to him...and they didn't give a damn..they got paid. They made no attempt whatsoever to put M. Cotto in the best scenario possible. All they had to do was let Margarito fight Clottey or Williams first then fight him on a shorter turnaround at a catch weight.

Btw, Flyod Mayweather beat Zab Judah north of 140, he beat Hatten north of 140, he beat Baldimir north of 140, he beat Chop chop Corley north of 140, and he beat De La Hoya north of 140 so don't try and play me like the man is a paper champion past 140. Fylod Mayweather is the best fighter to put his hands in boxing gloves at every weight division he has fought in IMPO. He's not an all-time great he is truely one of THE greatest fighters of all-time.

Why can't we appreciate greatness in this day & age? People called Sweet Pee one of the greatest in history for his defense, dito for Hopkins...yet they rarely celebrate Flyod for being one of the greatest defensive fighters in the history of the sport.

Why should he fight guys who are big enough to be legit middleweights? Ask yourself why the heck Paul Williams, Clottey, and Margarito don't go up in weight? All of them mf's are tall enough to fight at 163-165lbs. But they want to pick on little mf's thats 5'7" (Cotto). Come on, man get real.

Fylod Mayweather put it down, he's undefeated. End of story.

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Re: Jones-Calzaghe

So why did they have to hurry up, and run him towards his first defeat as quickly as they could??? Boxing is a dirty business, and you can't even see how dirty Miguel Cotto just got treated by his own money hungery managers...lol. They knew just like I knew what Margarito was going to do to him...and they didn't give a damn..they got paid. They made no attempt whatsoever to put M. Cotto in the best scenario possible. All they had to do was let Margarito fight Clottey or Williams first then fight him on a shorter turnaround at a catch weight.

Btw, Flyod Mayweather beat Zab Judah north of 140, he beat Hatten north of 140, he beat Baldimir north of 140, he beat Chop chop Corley north of 140, and he beat De La Hoya north of 140 so don't try and play me like the man is a paper champion past 140. Fylod Mayweather is the best fighter to put his hands in boxing gloves at every weight division he has fought in IMPO. He's not an all-time great he is truely one of THE greatest fighters of all-time.

Why can't we appreciate greatness in this day & age? People called Sweet Pee one of the greatest in history for his defense, dito for Hopkins...yet they rarely celebrate Flyod for being one of the greatest defensive fighters in the history of the sport.

Why should he fight guys who are big enough to be legit middleweights? Ask yourself why the heck Paul Williams, Clottey, and Margarito don't go up in weight? All of them mf's are tall enough to fight at 163-165lbs. But they want to pick on little mf's thats 5'7" (Cotto). Come on, man get real.

Fylod Mayweather put it down, he's undefeated. End of story.

the above is truth. amen. well said

[thelwig14]

Re: Jones-Calzaghe

Btw, Flyod Mayweather beat Zab Judah north of 140, he beat Hatten north of 140, he beat Baldimir north of 140, he beat Chop chop Corley north of 140, and he beat De La Hoya north of 140 so don't try and play me like the man is a paper champion past 140. Fylod Mayweather is the best fighter to put his hands in boxing gloves at every weight division he has fought in IMPO. He's not an all-time great he is truely one of THE greatest fighters of all-time.


Why should he fight guys who are big enough to be legit middleweights? Ask yourself why the heck Paul Williams, Clottey, and Margarito don't go up in weight? All of them mf's are tall enough to fight at 163-165lbs. But they want to pick on little mf's thats 5'7" (Cotto). Come on, man get real.

Fylod Mayweather put it down, he's undefeated. End of story.

Judah? Hatton (forcing him out of his weight class)? Baldo? Demarcus? And an ancient ODLH? Give me a break. You named 2 journeymen, a never was, a good fighter deterioted by weight issues, and an old ATG...awesome resume. South of 140, that is a different point.

Once again, PBF is an all-time great, just nowhere near that level north of 140. This can't be disputed.

[thelwig14]

Re: Jones-Calzaghe

And all this Cotto-Margo stuff is nonsense.

If Cotto fights the proper gameplan, like P. Williams did, he has an excellent chance to beat Margo. Margo is not some indestructible force, but he can be if you have a horrible gameplan, which Cotto implemented from the opening bell.

[Bamtino]

Re: Jones-Calzaghe

So why did they have to hurry up, and run him towards his first defeat as quickly as they could??? Boxing is a dirty business, and you can't even see how dirty Miguel Cotto just got treated by his own money hungery managers...lol. They knew just like I knew what Margarito was going to do to him...and they didn't give a damn..they got paid. They made no attempt whatsoever to put M. Cotto in the best scenario possible. All they had to do was let Margarito fight Clottey or Williams first then fight him on a shorter turnaround at a catch weight.

Btw, Flyod Mayweather beat Zab Judah north of 140, he beat Hatten north of 140, he beat Baldimir north of 140, he beat Chop chop Corley north of 140, and he beat De La Hoya north of 140 so don't try and play me like the man is a paper champion past 140. Fylod Mayweather is the best fighter to put his hands in boxing gloves at every weight division he has fought in IMPO. He's not an all-time great he is truely one of THE greatest fighters of all-time.

Why can't we appreciate greatness in this day & age? People called Sweet Pee one of the greatest in history for his defense, dito for Hopkins...yet they rarely celebrate Flyod for being one of the greatest defensive fighters in the history of the sport.

Why should he fight guys who are big enough to be legit middleweights? Ask yourself why the heck Paul Williams, Clottey, and Margarito don't go up in weight? All of them mf's are tall enough to fight at 163-165lbs. But they want to pick on little mf's thats 5'7" (Cotto). Come on, man get real.

Fylod Mayweather put it down, he's undefeated. End of story.

What would have been the best scenario for Cotto?

How would two more fights against the opponents you named help Cotto prep for Margarito? I can understand if one of them was built like Margarito and had a similar style but that's not the case...Margarito is nothing like any of those guys thus where is the benefit from fighting them ahead of Margarito? There is no benefit, all he stands is to lose money...Cotto would still have been the smaller man and Cotto's strategy likely would not have been any different...I just for the life of me cannot understand how you can claim he was rushed...We're not talking about some rookie with limited experience...We're talking about a champ with 31 fights under his belt including 11 title defenses...LOL

Boxing is a dirty business, you won't get any argument from me on that subject...Tons of promising fighters are rushed for the quick pay day by lousy promoters but Cotto was not one of them...The reason Cotto lost that fight has nothing to do with a lack of experience, he had all the experience he needed to beat Margarito...His physical characteristics and his style are the reason he lost (his poor strategy didn't help much either)...The way he is built is a big disadvantage against a fighter like Margarito, and that is never going to change...This fight from the get go was 50/50, no one who really follows the sport favored anyone...It was common knowledge if Cotto could box and last 12 rounds he would win the fight...The odds of Cotto winning this fight if he had taken it at a later date would not have been any better thus once again i don't understand how you can claim he was rushed...

As for those guys you mentioned being too big to be welterweights...Are you seriously going to use that as an excuse for your guy losing? No offense but that is really sad...Just because a guy is tall that does not disqualify him from being in a divison with smaller fighters...The weight is all that matters, if you can make the weight you can fight...Speaking of middleweights fighting welterwieghts how many times did Cotto walk into a fight at 155+? He was damn near at 160 for the Corley fight in PR and you want to sit here and use the size excuse in his defense? Come one pal, get real...

As for Floyd Mayweather JR...Why are you lecturing me on his legacy according to you? All i said is Cotto is not blessed with PFB stamina and you saw that as an insult? Anyways since you brought him up and i have a minute ill voice my opinion on the subject...Greatness in boxing is defined by 2 things, physical ability and the level of your competition...Mayweather Jr physically is ridiculously gifted, he has it all...Make no mistake physically he's on Ray Robinson's level...South of 140 nobody could beat him, he fought everyone and dominated them...but north of 140 its a different story, we will never know if anyone could beat him because he never fought anyone who was a threat to him and once a couple real threats appeared he decided to retire...

Bottom line Mayweather Jr is a great fighter, no one can deny that...Mayweather Jr though is not the best fighter to put his hands in boxing gloves at every weight division he has fought in like you claim...That honor belongs to Sugar Ray Robinson...Mayweather Jr is also not one of THE greatest fighters of all-time...His resume as it stands simply does not stack up...Who has he fought worth talking about? The two biggest fights of Mayweather Jr's career were against an over hyped club fighter from England and a way past his prime DLH...Mayweather Jr if he stays retired will forever be remembered as a great fighter who had the ability to be one of the greatest P4P fighters of all time, right up there next to Ray Robinson but he chose the easy money over greatness and then ran away...End of story...

[thelwig14]

Re: Jones-Calzaghe

Bottom line Mayweather Jr is a great fighter, no one can deny that...Mayweather Jr though is not the best fighter to put his hands in boxing gloves at every weight division he has fought in like you claim...That honor belongs to Sugar Ray Robinson...Mayweather Jr is also not one of THE greatest fighters of all-time...His resume as it stands simply does not stack up...Who has he fought worth talking about? The two biggest fights of Mayweather Jr's career were against an over hyped club fighter from England and a way past his prime DLH...Mayweather Jr if he stays retired will forever be remembered as a great fighter who had the ability to be one of the greatest P4P fighters of all time, right up there next to Ray Robinson but he chose the easy money over greatness and then ran away...End of story...

His biggest wins? I am sure you the ones you listed (what you meant) were from his second half of his career because south of 140 his resume is much more solid and justifies his ATG status in those divisions.

Overhyped Hatton? Disagree. Hatton's performance against Tzsyu was near brilliant, but there is no doubt in my mind the years of weight fluctuations has ruined Ricky. He simply is nowhere near the same fighter (with no wars to attribute the sharp decline to) he was early in his career. He is one fight away from absolutely getting destroyed and his fights are near unwatchable now. Paulie, with the discipline, should destroy him in November.