Jones-Calzaghe

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Roy avoided a few Euro's he should have fought in his prime, I don't see him fighting them now. Him fighting JC is a rare circumstance.

Get your facts straight, Roy never avoided anyone. He only demanded to fight those guys on his terms...meaning at a purse split that was largly in his favor, or a venue of his choice, or with gloves of his choice, or at a weight of his choice. When you are the champion & pound for pound king you can do that. Some guys walked, & some guys fought. The way I see it is this...if the champion of the world is giving you a chance at his title...you take it.

[thelwig14]

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Get your facts straight, Roy never avoided anyone. He only demanded to fight those guys on his terms...meaning at a purse split that was largly in his favor, or a venue of his choice, or with gloves of his choice, or at a weight of his choice. When you are the champion & pound for pound king you can do that. Some guys walked, & some guys fought. The way I see it is this...if the champion of the world is giving you a chance at his title...you take it.

Okie dokie, facts are here. Giving you a chance at the title? RJJ did not fight numerous LINEAR titlists in the divisions he was in. Fighters RJJ should have fought include: Nigel Benn, Gerald McClellan, Chris Eubank, Darius Michalspelling, Henry Maske, Steve Collins, Michael Nunn, JC (until now), and Gracchino Rocchilspelling. In addition, many clamoured for rematches with more seasoned James Toney and Bernard Hopkins.

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Okie dokie, facts are here. Giving you a chance at the title? RJJ did not fight numerous LINEAR titlists in the divisions he was in. Fighters RJJ should have fought include: Nigel Benn, Gerald McClellan, Chris Eubank, Darius Michalspelling, Henry Maske, Steve Collins, Michael Nunn, JC (until now), and Gracchino Rocchilspelling. In addition, many clamoured for rematches with more seasoned James Toney and Bernard Hopkins.

None of those fight were money fights and at that time in his career he was classing everyone breathing so dont tell me the guys you named really had a shot at beating him...also gerrald McClellan was his friend and they promised to never fight each other. By the way don't give me that BS about him not fighting two fighters he had previously beaten! he tried to fight B-Hop twice and dude wanted to act like he was all that so it aint happen...roy signed that contract...B-Hop didnt!

As for Toney..come on man...dude always over weight he could never make weight to fight Roy even at 175lbs when...light heavy. The dude is really a heavyweight. He did not start out that way but he always had a eating problem and a weight problem.

But roy beat both of those fighters...

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the rest of those guys you named would have gotten the same treatment as the dudes roy fought and you'd be sitting there right now using different names trying to make the same point. look, must folks aint know who montell Griffen was. and don't act like Roy is the only fighter to hand select opponents...come on man...stop that. Thats like me saying the Patriots is the only team to tape another teams signals...lmao

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My question wasn't implicating a racial remark, I was just curious to why it mattered. I guess tone and voice don't come across very well in text. I forgot all about Roy talking about taking the Euro titlists belts.

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I am not going to get into the economics of worldwide boxing.

I am not going to get into the documented negotiations between Tiger and RJJ.

RJJ is an ATG and there is no disputing that, I love him, but to say he FOUGHT everyone he should have his absolutely asinine. He is no Hagler. He is no Ali. He is no Lennox. He is no etc. He was a comfort zone fighter.

But if RJJ listens to someone who knows what they are talking about, he has the tools and can employ the gameplan and can beat JC.

[edaddy]

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Roy Jones by TKO!

Why? Joe punches in bunches, but his punches lack technique & power. Calzaghe is a two handed arm puncher, who lands slapping blows. While he is undefeated, can anyone name the fighters he has beaten other than Mikkel Kessler & a 50 year old B-Hop?

Roy has susperior hand speed, is more accurate, throws sharper-harder punches, has fought tougher fighters over his career, is the more intelligent boxer, and needs the W more than Calzaghe. Roy can be the aggressor and beat Joe to the punch all night, (which would be more risky), or he can counter-punch joe early in the fight until Joe losses a bit of his steam and his technique starts to fall apart (which it will)...then he can pick him apart.

I see Joe Calzaghe as the perfect opponent for Roy Jones. He is a legitamate established (undefeated) champion, with the kind of flaws Roy Jones can reveal to the world at will. I see a shutout. The only problem I see for Roy Jones is...what next? Pavlik, and Dawson are fights Roy should not win & a Tarver fight is beating a dead horse. Fighting Sam Peter is insane...so

...I say Felix Sturm, he holds a title, he is very good fighter, and he's german. What more can your ask for?

Roy will no doubt be competitive in this fight..but the problem with Roy now at his age is that his reflexes ,his foot speed and the ability to slip and get out of the way of a punch have deteriorated..His hand speed has remained exceptional but Roy can't fight at a quick pace anymore and Calzaghe is a pressure fighter with quick hands....Roy will pot shot but Calzaghe will make him pay for his potshotting.. I see Roy coming out and displaying his hand speed and dazzling for a couple of rounds but once Calzaghe sets the pace and starts pressuring Roy, roy will do what he has done for the last 5 years sit against the ropes and counter..roy will not take risks as he knows his chin is China....Don't let Roys recent fights fool ya..he has not stepped up this much in skill and class in a good bit and the last 3 times he did he lost....

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I am not going to get into the economics of worldwide boxing.

I am not going to get into the documented negotiations between Tiger and RJJ.

RJJ is an ATG and there is no disputing that, I love him, but to say he FOUGHT everyone he should have his absolutely asinine. He is no Hagler. He is no Ali. He is no Lennox. He is no etc. He was a comfort zone fighter.

But if RJJ listens to someone who knows what they are talking about, he has the tools and can employ the gameplan and can beat JC.

While I agree with most of this...the thing that will forever distinguish him from all of his peers (especially his contemporaries) is the fact thathe is a 4 division world champion! Thats historic man...you can't fault him for not having a Duran, Haglar, and Hearns. But in earnst I agree with what your saying...I really do.

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Roy will no doubt be competitive in this fight..but the problem with Roy now at his age is that his reflexes ,his foot speed and the ability to slip and get out of the way of a punch have deteriorated..His hand speed has remained exceptional but Roy can't fight at a quick pace anymore and Calzaghe is a pressure fighter with quick hands....Roy will pot shot but Calzaghe will make him pay for his potshotting.. I see Roy coming out and displaying his hand speed and dazzling for a couple of rounds but once Calzaghe sets the pace and starts pressuring Roy, roy will do what he has done for the last 5 years sit against the ropes and counter..roy will not take risks as he knows his chin is China....Don't let Roys recent fights fool ya..he has not stepped up this much in skill and class in a good bit and the last 3 times he did he lost....

While this is very insightful rhetoric (and I mean that respectfully) & full of sound thinking, you are overlooking one thing...Roy Jones Jr has a bigger punch than Calzaghe. Roy throws harder punches...so he aint gonna back up and run away from a smaller weaker man. He'll come out and catch Calzaghe with a hard counter punch to let him feel his power a bit...then he'll work the body and start walking him down...then its all down hill...I'm telling you...he's gonna make this guy look real bad man. Real bad.

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While this is very insightful rhetoric (and I mean that respectfully) & full of sound thinking, you are overlooking one thing...Roy Jones Jr has a bigger punch than Calzaghe. Roy throws harder punches...so he aint gonna back up and run away from a smaller weaker man. He'll come out and catch Calzaghe with a hard counter punch to let him feel his power a bit...then he'll work the body and start walking him down...then its all down hill...I'm telling you...he's gonna make this guy look real bad man. Real bad.

Thing is, someone has yet to walk Calzaghe down. He is constantly coming at his opponent, and constantly throwing. I think Roy is going to have to make this an ugly fight, and KO Calzaghe to win.

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Thing is, someone has yet to walk Calzaghe down. He is constantly coming at his opponent, and constantly throwing. I think Roy is going to have to make this an ugly fight, and KO Calzaghe to win.

Great post! Outstanding comment. Thats what I'm talking about, the truth is Joe Calzaghe comes after his man non-stop. He's a pressure fighter, but he can't fight that kind of fight with Roy Jones because RJJ is the harder puncher and the more techically sound fighter...another thing too...if Calzaghe thinks he'll be able to just walk through RJJ he's a madman. Everyone keeps thinking of the post Tarver/Johnson Roy, but his body has fully recovered from those defeats & in his fights with Ajamu, Hanshaw, & Trinidad he showed that. The Trinidad fight was a thing of beauty, a pure masterpeice. I see more of the same in this fight.

[edaddy]

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Great post! Outstanding comment. Thats what I'm talking about, the truth is Joe Calzaghe comes after his man non-stop. He's a pressure fighter, but he can't fight that kind of fight with Roy Jones because RJJ is the harder puncher and the more techically sound fighter...another thing too...if Calzaghe thinks he'll be able to just walk through RJJ he's a madman. Everyone keeps thinking of the post Tarver/Johnson Roy, but his body has fully recovered from those defeats & in his fights with Ajamu, Hanshaw, & Trinidad he showed that. The Trinidad fight was a thing of beauty, a pure masterpeice. I see more of the same in this fight.

His body is fully recovered from what?..getting brutally knocked out..you can buy that my body was weak because I was coming down in weight excuse all you want too..but the truth is his reflexes have deteriorated to the point where he is getting caught with power shots that he never used too...Ajamu, Hanshaw, and Trinidad..are you kidding me 3 slow plodding fighters with no pop yet Ajamu,Hanshaw, and Trinidad were still able to pressure him and keep him against the ropes...Roy will be so busy covering up and laying against the ropes that he won't have time to counter..ROY does not take risks any longer..While I agree the fight will be ugly I see no way Calzaghe loses..His pace and punch output will be to much for ROY..

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His body is fully recovered from what?..getting brutally knocked out..you can buy that my body was weak because I was coming down in weight excuse all you want too..but the truth is his reflexes have deteriorated to the point where he is getting caught with power shots that he never used too...Ajamu, Hanshaw, and Trinidad..are you kidding me 3 slow plodding fighters with no pop yet Ajamu,Hanshaw, and Trinidad were still able to pressure him and keep him against the ropes...Roy will be so busy covering up and laying against the ropes that he won't have time to counter..ROY does not take risks any longer..While I agree the fight will be ugly I see no way Calzaghe loses..His pace and punch output will be to much for ROY..

You quoted my post and misunderstood the comment if you think I was offering an excuse for the defeats Jones suffered at the hands of Tarver & Johnson. Your wrong. The losses are historic facts that can not be disputed. As a result of suffering those knockouts Roy's ability to take a punch was diminished, that is the lingering affects of a knockout.

These conditions can last for several months making a fighter more vulnerable to be knockedout again. Anyone who knows anything about boxing knows this, and this is why KO's are so damaging to a fighters career, and fight purse.

As for your view on the fight...I mean, your more than entitled to your opinion as am I. While, I disagree with your assesment I can understand why you'd be of that thought process. Has Roy lost some of his skills? Sure, but at 39 he has not lost nearly as much of his skill as boxing insiders and certain media types suggest. Come fight night, Joe Calzaghe will deal with this fact 1st hand.

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I would say that Hopkins had more power and was the better technical fighter, wouldn't you? I'm not saying he is on the same level as RJJ, but Joe didn't lay off in that fight. I guess we will just have to wait and see.

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I would say that Hopkins had more power and was the better technical fighter, wouldn't you? I'm not saying he is on the same level as RJJ, but Joe didn't lay off in that fight. I guess we will just have to wait and see.

Wow! Great point. The only thing I can say to that is B-Hop is in his what 40's? He fights differently at this stage in his career than he did when he was just 5 years younger. But you do have a very legitimate point. I mean...I can argue all day about Roys advantages, but at the end of the day joe Calzaghe always seems to take another fighters best strength and make it his strength when the two fighters meet in the ring, thats why he's Joe Calzaghe. It's a very interesting match up...it really is. I just think Roy jones is a too much for calzaghe to handle even at this stage in Roys career. He just a bit too much in my personal opinion. I just keep seeing this fight in the same mold as the Trinidad fight.