The Hidden Side of Floyd Mayweather Jr.

[Money99]

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If his last opponent had better stamina and could have strung something together after those counter rights the outcome may have been different.

Funny. I could say the same thing about Floyd's fight with DLH. Oscar was winning that fight and if he had more gas in the tank would have taken at least 2 of the last 3 rounds for a UD.
And this is a DLH that wasn't even close to being in his prime.

I also find it odd that you feel that May has ducked Paq considering he never closed negotiations and began them about 2 days after the Cotto fight. But to each their own.

I find it odd that you don't recognized that Floyd could have waited 24 hours after Pac's dismantling of Hatton before signing a deal to fight Marquez.

Like most things in life, the truth lies somewhere in between.

I wouldn't at all be that surprised if Manny is hiding some PED's and that Floyd is scared to death of Pacman.
For all we know, Floyd put in concessions he knew that Manny would never agree to.
That gets him out of jail from his detractors without having to actually fight him.

If Floyd fights Mosley, I'll stop bitching about his cowardice.
Because up till this point, my main beef with the man is that he handpicks safe opponents instead of putting his money where his mouth is.
He conveniently retired just when the welterweight division was becoming the deepest in the business with the likes of Cotto, Margarito, Mosley and Williams.
And I'm still convinced if he hadn't blown all his money, he'd still be retired claiming to be the best. He's not even the best ever in his own weight class, let alone the sport.

[pk500]

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No they didn't.
Pac's pro debut was at 106 while Mayweather's was at 130.
Of course Pac started as a 17-year old and Floyd as a 21-year old.

At 21, Mayweather was 130 and at same age Pac was 113.
Floyd's a naturally bigger man. And he's already fought at 154. So there's no excuse for him not to fight Williams.
But like pk500 pointed out, Williams is a physical freak of nature that would destroy Floyd at 147 or 154.
And the last time I checked, Williams won his last fight. I would hardly call that getting his arse kicked.

FYI for everyone: At age 16, Pacquiao debuted as a pro at 106. At age 16, Mayweather won the National Golden Gloves title at 106.

[pk500]

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http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=24784

Hopefully you're a man of your word.

Always have been, so there's no reason to change now.

That doesn't mean I'm going to begin a Floyd Lovefest. But I will salute him for fighting a legitimate top-three welterweight for the first time ever. Please, don't call Baldomir a top-three welterweight.

[Jesus]

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Funny. I could say the same thing about Floyd's fight with DLH. Oscar was winning that fight and if he had more gas in the tank would have taken at least 2 of the last 3 rounds for a UD.
And this is a DLH that wasn't even close to being in his prime.



I find it odd that you don't recognized that Floyd could have waited 24 hours after Pac's dismantling of Hatton before signing a deal to fight Marquez.

Like most things in life, the truth lies somewhere in between.

I wouldn't at all be that surprised if Manny is hiding some PED's and that Floyd is scared to death of Pacman.
For all we know, Floyd put in concessions he knew that Manny would never agree to.
That gets him out of jail from his detractors without having to actually fight him.

If Floyd fights Mosley, I'll stop bitching about his cowardice.
Because up till this point, my main beef with the man is that he handpicks safe opponents instead of putting his money where his mouth is.
He conveniently retired just when the welterweight division was becoming the deepest in the business with the likes of Cotto, Margarito, Mosley and Williams.
And I'm still convinced if he hadn't blown all his money, he'd still be retired claiming to be the best. He's not even the best ever in his own weight class, let alone the sport.

I honestly didnt see the Mayweather/Oscar fight that close at all. Pitty pats vs clean shots.

-Had Cotto beaten Paq, he and Maweather would be fighting, but he didnt.

-If May would have fought and beaten Cotto before the Paq fight, the excuse would have been "Margarito broke him".

-Mosley avoided May when he was coming up, so I too would think twice about giving him a pay day.

-Beyond that, no one on that list besides Williams has a chance to beat Mayweather IMO.Beyond boxing enthusiasts, he's not a large draw.

-The Manny camp agreed to olympic style testing initially, then reneged. So i doubt it was a clever plan.

[Money99]

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I honestly didnt see the Mayweather/Oscar fight that close at all. Pitty pats vs clean shots.

Oscar was clearly winning until the last 3-4 rounds.

-Had Cotto beaten Paq, he and Maweather would be fighting, but he didnt.

No they wouldn't. Since moving to WW Mayweather's track record is to pick easy opponents. Cotto wouldn't have counted.

If May would have fought and beaten Cotto before the Paq fight, the excuse would have been "Margarito broke him".

We'll never know. Mayweather didn't appear to be in a hurry to sign a fight against Cotto when he un-retired. He picked a 130lb opponent. Meanwhile, Pac challenged Hatton at the Hitman's natural 140 pound weight and then quickly signed on to fight Cotto after it was obvious Mayweather was more interested in fighting smaller opponents than take on Pac - who was the #1PFP fighter in the world and in May's weight class.

Mosley avoided May when he was coming up, so I too would think twice about giving him a pay day.

This is probably true. But Mosley was also moving up to WW where the bigger fights were to be had - Prime DLH.

Beyond that, no one on that list besides Williams has a chance to beat Mayweather IMO.Beyond boxing enthusiasts, he's not a large draw.

Which goes back to Mayweathers built in 'Money' excuse. He won't fight for legacy or honor. He fights for cash.
I know that all prize fighters do. That's why they're called prize fighters.
But how can he say in one sentence that he's the best ever, and the true #1PFP and then not want to fight a true contender in his own weight division?
You can only talk out of both sides of your mouth before fans start calling you out for such blatant hypocrisy.

The Manny camp agreed to olympic style testing initially, then reneged. So i doubt it was a clever plan.

Not entirely true. They agreed to three tests; two weeks during the kick-off tour, 30 days before the fight, and immediately after the fight.
They negotiated down to 24-days before the fight. Manny and his team agreed to this.
Oscar De La Hoya and Golden Boy Productions CEO Richard Schaefer also agreed to this deal. Floyd did not.

Everything Floyd does is calculated. His biggest concern is his undefeated record and his wallet. Nothing else matters and he'll protect both with ferociousness.
No way this dude has any intentions in getting in the ring with someone he thinks has a shot in beating him.
It's why he avoided Stevie Johnston and Joel Casamayer like the plague.
Probably a very smart choice. He'd more than likely be 40-1 if he had.

[King_B_Mack]

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Oscar was clearly winning until the last 3-4 rounds.



No they wouldn't. Since moving to WW Mayweather's track record is to pick easy opponents. Cotto wouldn't have counted.



We'll never know. Mayweather didn't appear to be in a hurry to sign a fight against Cotto when he un-retired. He picked a 130lb opponent. Meanwhile, Pac challenged Hatton at the Hitman's natural 140 pound weight and then quickly signed on to fight Cotto after it was obvious Mayweather was more interested in fighting smaller opponents than take on Pac - who was the #1PFP fighter in the world and in May's weight class.



This is probably true. But Mosley was also moving up to WW where the bigger fights were to be had - Prime DLH.



Which goes back to Mayweathers built in 'Money' excuse. He won't fight for legacy or honor. He fights for cash.
I know that all prize fighters do. That's why they're called prize fighters.
But how can he say in one sentence that he's the best ever, and the true #1PFP and then not want to fight a true contender in his own weight division?
You can only talk out of both sides of your mouth before fans start calling you out for such blatant hypocrisy.



Not entirely true. They agreed to three tests; two weeks during the kick-off tour, 30 days before the fight, and immediately after the fight.
They negotiated down to 24-days before the fight. Manny and his team agreed to this.
Oscar De La Hoya and Golden Boy Productions CEO Richard Schaefer also agreed to this deal. Floyd did not.

Everything Floyd does is calculated. His biggest concern is his undefeated record and his wallet. Nothing else matters and he'll protect both with ferociousness.
No way this dude has any intentions in getting in the ring with someone he thinks has a shot in beating him.
It's why he avoided Stevie Johnston and Joel Casamayer like the plague.
Probably a very smart choice. He'd more than likely be 40-1 if he had.

Sorry, gotta jump into this disucssion right here. Where did you hear that GBP agreed to that deal and Floyd and didn't? Oh yeah, that's right Arum came out and broke the gag order and said that's what happened forcing the mediator to come out and correct things. Can we stop trying to make it seem like Pacquiao stepped up and accepted the testing. He accepted pre-determined tests, a drug test that you know is coming is useless. He never accepted any random tests.

Anyway, I can't understand why you harbor so much anger at Floyd for picking and choosing fights and fighting for money when that's what EVERYONE in boxing does. If they don't it's because they aren't big enough stars/draws to be able to pick and choose. Also, wasn't it already said that Mosley didn't want to have anything to do with Floyd until he could piggyback on Floyd's name in a bout which is why he hasn't jumped to try to fight Mosley. Your bias against Floyd has been showing this whole thread and I don't think you really have a legitimate reason to hate the guy and not hate every other boxer out right now.

[a walrus]

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Sorry, gotta jump into this disucssion right here. Where did you hear that GBP agreed to that deal and Floyd and didn't? Oh yeah, that's right Arum came out and broke the gag order and said that's what happened forcing the mediator to come out and correct things. Can we stop trying to make it seem like Pacquiao stepped up and accepted the testing. He accepted pre-determined tests, a drug test that you know is coming is useless. He never accepted any random tests.

Anyway, I can't understand why you harbor so much anger at Floyd for picking and choosing fights and fighting for money when that's what EVERYONE in boxing does. If they don't it's because they aren't big enough stars/draws to be able to pick and choose. Also, wasn't it already said that Mosley didn't want to have anything to do with Floyd until he could piggyback on Floyd's name in a bout which is why he hasn't jumped to try to fight Mosley. Your bias against Floyd has been showing this whole thread and I don't think you really have a legitimate reason to hate the guy and not hate every other boxer out right now.

To all PBF fans....You must admit over the course of his boxing career PBF has managed to find a way avoid fighting any top tier fighter in his division.Be it Mosley ,Cotto, De la Hoya , Pac ,Paul Williams,at what point has he ever accepted a challange from anyone near his weight during their prme.When will that happen.Sure he's wealthy & undefeated,But what kind legacy will he leave.A cowardly one or at best one that will always be debated.Manny could retire tommorow & no one in their right mine would question his heart , pride ,courage.Those are all ?'s for PBF. After all he chose not to challange himself.Rather sit back & bask in his fame & wealth ...oo & record that dose not reflect the dominance he claims.Imagine Pac's camp telling an openent they have to test at specific time under guidelines that are not normally used in this sport.Yes Floyd you loss the fight because Manny was taking PED'S.It was a wonderfully crafted exit statagy , nothing more.

[JayBee74]

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I used to have the Benitez vs Sugar fight on tape. A great defensive fight on both sides. Why didn't ever fight Pipino even after the Duran/Hearns fights. Did he retire or he was one those fighters people avoided?

Cuevas was never the same fighter after Hearns destroyed him. His team was definitely looking for a million dollar payday against Leonard. I'm not sure if he got his million $$ against Roberto Duran, who easily KOed him in '83.
Great 15th round action Benitez VS Leonard:
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[Money99]

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Sorry, gotta jump into this disucssion right here. Where did you hear that GBP agreed to that deal and Floyd and didn't? Oh yeah, that's right Arum came out and broke the gag order and said that's what happened forcing the mediator to come out and correct things. Can we stop trying to make it seem like Pacquiao stepped up and accepted the testing. He accepted pre-determined tests, a drug test that you know is coming is useless. He never accepted any random tests.

Anyway, I can't understand why you harbor so much anger at Floyd for picking and choosing fights and fighting for money when that's what EVERYONE in boxing does. If they don't it's because they aren't big enough stars/draws to be able to pick and choose. Also, wasn't it already said that Mosley didn't want to have anything to do with Floyd until he could piggyback on Floyd's name in a bout which is why he hasn't jumped to try to fight Mosley. Your bias against Floyd has been showing this whole thread and I don't think you really have a legitimate reason to hate the guy and not hate every other boxer out right now.

a walrus beat me to it.
Yes, every fighter is out to make cash. But if you compare Floyd's selection of opponents compared to other contemporary champions, it's not even close.

I give props to Floyd if he actually makes this fight happen with Mosley. That's a great start.
But after this, I don't want to see him call out ONE smaller fighter and force them up to 147.
From here on out, he needs to fight legit welterweights or jr.middleweights if he wants to earn any respect from true boxing fans.

I loathe the man because all he does is talk about how great he is while picking on smaller, or broken down fighters.
Meanwhile, guys like Pac are moving UP in weight and fighting the best of the best. Not looking down and calling out guys 15 pounds lighter than him.
I'd be the best PFP fighter in the world too if I did nothing but beat on 12-year-olds.
Stop hiding behind a manufactured perfect record.
Floyd's immensely skilled. But it's clear he's afraid to actually challenge himself against anyone that has a legit shot of beating him.

If DLH had any gas left in the tank, he would have beaten Floyd. A fact Mayweather knew and hence why he never gave him a rematch. And this is an Oscar that was a shadow of his former self.

Floyd's not dumb. He realizes when he can't win. It's why he'll never fight Paul Williams, why he never fought Stevie Johnston or Joel Casamayer and why he'll likely never set foot in the same ring with Pacquio.

pk500 already did a great job pointing out how poorly he does early on with southpaws. And he knows that could be deadly when facing a power puncher, with speed, like Pacman.
He might get KO'd inside 5 rounds. He knows this and hence the reason why deciding to create a precedence with drug testing. He never asked any of his other 40 opponents to do the same. Suddenly he does with Pac? After it's well known in the boxing community how superstitious he is about needles? Hmmm. I wonder why?

[Vast]

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Lol. Good post Money.

I just came back from the doctors and had to give blood, and that **** is nerve wracking, for me at least. Getting a tattoo is much less stressful for me at least than giving blood.

I just thought of that today. Im not saying I think Pac is clean, just that i understand the needle phobia. And having a tattoo doesn't mean your not scared of needles. IMO.

[a walrus]

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I would like to be a fan, the guy just makes it real difficult.If you take a look at his record , all of his major fights.Its becomes real clear that all of his opponents were either 1 to 2 weight classes below him, or aged to a point where they began to loose quite a bit of speed & power.Its a sad waste of talant.I mean his greatest victory is a nearly retired Dey la Hoya, undersized Ricky Hatten, or an old beat up warrior like Juan M.

[Str8_A]

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Lol. Good post Money.

I just came back from the doctors and had to give blood, and that **** is nerve wracking, for me at least. Getting a tattoo is much less stressful for me at least than giving blood.

I just thought of that today. Im not saying I think Pac is clean, just that i understand the needle phobia. And having a tattoo doesn't mean your not scared of needles. IMO.

Same here, I just hate going in to have my blood taken from me. When I played sports way back when, I would sit out of practice for a couple days everytime after I gave blood.

As far as tattoos, I have a shoulder piece, and I will be getting more. And yes, there is a "big" difference between getting a tattoo and getting poked w/ a needle to have blood sucked outta ya.



I only wish Money Mayweather could go back to Pretty Boy Floyd. When he fought the likes of Corrales and Castillo. He's definitely a skillful fighter, but it's "all" about business for him nowadays.

[Jesus]

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Oscar was clearly winning until the last 3-4 rounds.

LMAO. Im not sure what fight you were watching, but when I watched it I generously gave Oscar 3 rounds. De La Hoya refused to punch in the middle of the ring and resorted to wild and mostly ineffective flurries on the ropes.

Total Punches
Oscar Mayweather
122 landed 207
587 thrown 481
21 % pct. 43%

Thats over 100 less punches thrown in addition to 85 more landed.

No they wouldn't. Since moving to WW Mayweather's track record is to pick easy opponents. Cotto wouldn't have counted.

Odd considering he broke down Judah, KO'd an undefeated Ricky Hatton, boxed circles around Oscar De La Hoya and agreed to ever single demand in an effort to make a fight with Manny.

Oh and Mayweather called out Cotto when both were 140 and on Top Rank. Arum wouldnt let it happen, wouldnt risk canceling out one of his cash cows.

We'll never know. Mayweather didn't appear to be in a hurry to sign a fight against Cotto when he un-retired. He picked a 130lb opponent. Meanwhile, Pac challenged Hatton at the Hitman's natural 140 pound weight and then quickly signed on to fight Cotto after it was obvious Mayweather was more interested in fighting smaller opponents than take on Pac - who was the #1PFP fighter in the world and in May's weight class.

First of all, Marquez called out Mayweather, and in any event, after a lay-off, you work your way up to stiffer competition. Thats common sense.

But amidst the talks of Mayweather fighting Manny instead of Marquez he came out and said. “If Manny wants it, I’ll pay Juan to step aside…. If Manny Pacquiao really wanted to fight with me, all he’s got to do is say it…. We could pay Marquez some step-aside money.” ( http://www.boxingnews24.com/2009/07/...acquiao-clash/)

Manny never personally mentioned Mayweather, so it never happened.

This is probably true. But Mosley was also moving up to WW where the bigger fights were to be had - Prime DLH.

Is it not true that at the time Floyd shrugged off Shanes challenge that there were better fight to be made?

Which goes back to Mayweathers built in 'Money' excuse. He won't fight for legacy or honor. He fights for cash.
I know that all prize fighters do. That's why they're called prize fighters.
But how can he say in one sentence that he's the best ever, and the true #1PFP and then not want to fight a true contender in his own weight division?
You can only talk out of both sides of your mouth before fans start calling you out for such blatant hypocrisy.

I never said Floyd was the greatest, I made my point, to which this doesn't counter, so I'll move on...

Not entirely true. They agreed to three tests; two weeks during the kick-off tour, 30 days before the fight, and immediately after the fight.
They negotiated down to 24-days before the fight. Manny and his team agreed to this.
Oscar De La Hoya and Golden Boy Productions CEO Richard Schaefer also agreed to this deal. Floyd did not.

Manny decided he only wanted 3 tests and decided to lower his deadline from 30 days to 24 days after the 24/7 video made noise. No one on Floyd's side agreed to this, instead they offered 14 days which was rejected by Arum only for Freddie Roach to come back and claim they accepted it, but Mayweather declined it.

But before all the drama, early in negotiations Floyd made it clear that he wanted Olympic style drug testing by USADA and Team Pacquiao accepted:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw5wi0rSzOA&feature=player_embedded#

Everything Floyd does is calculated. His biggest concern is his undefeated record and his wallet. Nothing else matters and he'll protect both with ferociousness.
No way this dude has any intentions in getting in the ring with someone he thinks has a shot in beating him.
It's why he avoided Stevie Johnston and Joel Casamayer like the plague.
Probably a very smart choice. He'd more than likely be 40-1 if he had.

Floyd called out Casamayer after his Corrales fight and called out Stevie Johnston after his second Castillio fight.

Casamayer lost to both Castillio and Corrales, both whom Floyd beat. And Johnston was overrated, he lost everytime he stepped up his competition.

[Jesus]

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I would like to be a fan, the guy just makes it real difficult.If you take a look at his record , all of his major fights.Its becomes real clear that all of his opponents were either 1 to 2 weight classes below him, or aged to a point where they began to loose quite a bit of speed & power.Its a sad waste of talant.I mean his greatest victory is a nearly retired Dey la Hoya, undersized Ricky Hatten, or an old beat up warrior like Juan M.

wouldnt a victory over Manny just be a win over an under-sized opponent or is there a double standard somewhere in there im missing?

[pk500]

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wouldnt a victory over Manny just be a win over an under-sized opponent or is there a double standard somewhere in there im missing?

You're missing something if the fight is scheduled at 147. Manny has fought his last two of his last three bouts at 147, winning both. He's a proven welterweight.

Marquez never fought heavier than 135 before he fought Money at 145. Hatton had fought only once at 147 before he faced Mayweather at that weight, and that was three fights before the Mayweather fight, against Collazo. Hatton was an unproven welterweight.