The Hidden Side of Floyd Mayweather Jr.

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LoL i know alot of weed heads who never tested positive for drugs...

Were they tested three or four times per year?

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Did Shane Mosley pass all his tests?

Good point. But my point is that all of this INNUENDO about Pacquiao was caused by one baseless allegation by Floyd Mayweather Sr., parroted by Paulie Malignaggi.

There's never been any proof with Pacquiao. He has taken annual blood tests to stay licensed in Nevada.

And Pacquiao isn't the first guy to climb from 106 as a teen to superstardom at 147 in his late 20s. Floyd Mayweather Jr. achieved that feat before Pacquiao, yet no one is calling him a druggie.

I ask the Mayweather pimps: Would you feel as skeptical of Money as you do Pacquiao if Freddie Roach or Buboy had alleged last summer that Mayweather was using steroids because he had climbed from 106 as a teen to success as heavy as 154? Because there's nothing in Manny's past that links him to drugs any more than Mayweather.

And please don't bring up the "power" excuse. Hatton was an easy target. Slower, no head movement, very little upper-body movement. He was a front-and-back punching bag. De La Hoya was so drained from cutting to 147 -- and he was old and shot -- that he lacked his earlier movement.

Meanwhile, Floyd battered Marquez, put him down in the second round. Yet no one even raised an eyebrow about that power display.

I'm not saying Mayweather uses PED's. Not at all. But there's simply no more evidence in Pacquiao's past or present than Mayweather's to lead anyone to believe he uses PED's other than delusions of Floyd Mayweather Sr.

It's an urban legend that has morphed into near-fact because of the instantaneous world in which we live. Someone starts a rumor, it explodes virally through social networks, blogs and the Web, and before long, damn it, it must be true!

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I ask the Mayweather pimps: Would you feel as skeptical of Money as you do Pacquiao if Freddie Roach or Buboy had alleged last summer that Mayweather was using steroids because he had climbed from 106 as a teen to success as heavy as 154? Because there's nothing in Manny's past that links him to drugs any more than Mayweather.

And please don't bring up the "power" excuse. Hatton was an easy target. Slower, no head movement, very little upper-body movement. He was a front-and-back punching bag. De La Hoya was so drained from cutting to 147 -- and he was old and shot -- that he lacked his earlier movement.

Meanwhile, Floyd battered Marquez, put him down in the second round. Yet no one even raised an eyebrow about that power display.

The power is the most glaring factor. He has kept BOTH his power and speed while moving up. I find it funny that you left out Cotto. Cotto took chopping, thudding punches from Mosely that he walked through while wearing him down with his power punches.

Cotto tried the same thing and failed miserably. Meanwhile Manny is dropping him with single shots.

Mayweather has gotten a little slower and is not raising his KO ratio.

Let me ask you something. If your neighbor was accused of murder with no concrete proof but because of his weak alibi. When the cops asked him to take a polygraph to clear his name and he refused simply claiming he was uncomfortable with them. They are often inadmissible to court, but have a high percentage of accuracy. Would it atleast be understandable for detectives to be a little suspicious?

[King_B_Mack]

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Good point. But my point is that all of this INNUENDO about Pacquiao was caused by one baseless allegation by Floyd Mayweather Sr., parroted by Paulie Malignaggi.

There's never been any proof with Pacquiao. He has taken annual blood tests to stay licensed in Nevada.

And Pacquiao isn't the first guy to climb from 106 as a teen to superstardom at 147 in his late 20s. Floyd Mayweather Jr. achieved that feat before Pacquiao, yet no one is calling him a druggie.

I ask the Mayweather pimps: Would you feel as skeptical of Money as you do Pacquiao if Freddie Roach or Buboy had alleged last summer that Mayweather was using steroids because he had climbed from 106 as a teen to success as heavy as 154? Because there's nothing in Manny's past that links him to drugs any more than Mayweather.

And please don't bring up the "power" excuse. Hatton was an easy target. Slower, no head movement, very little upper-body movement. He was a front-and-back punching bag. De La Hoya was so drained from cutting to 147 -- and he was old and shot -- that he lacked his earlier movement.

Meanwhile, Floyd battered Marquez, put him down in the second round. Yet no one even raised an eyebrow about that power display.

I'm not saying Mayweather uses PED's. Not at all. But there's simply no more evidence in Pacquiao's past or present than Mayweather's to lead anyone to believe he uses PED's other than delusions of Floyd Mayweather Sr.

It's an urban legend that has morphed into near-fact because of the instantaneous world in which we live. Someone starts a rumor, it explodes virally through social networks, blogs and the Web, and before long, damn it, it must be true!

All that could hold merit (speaking of that last part) if.... you know, that was the circumstances of how this thing came about. But it's not just a rumor out of control as you so neatly are trying to spin it. It's someone (and again these have been the rumors going around boxing, cooky old Floyd is just the first to come out public and say it) mentioning Pac and PEDs and then the guy who's supposed to be clean completely flipping out and acting completely out of character and stumbling over himself at the very mention of this that has carried this "virally through social networks, blogs and the Web" that made it before long, "damn it, it must be true!"

How often is it wrong when a parent deems their child guilty of something when they ask the child about something they did or didn't do and the child looks all around, plays with his hands and stumbles over his words as he tries to think of an excuse to give to get out of trouble. If you're innocent and haven't done anything wrong, when someone asks you about something it's not even a three second delay in your response that you're innocent and it sure as hell ain't a delay in popping in that video tape showing you not doing whatever you're accused of. Maybe if Pac didn't drop about six different reasons why he couldn't just take a test to clear his name he wouldn't have anything to worry about and the "viral outbreak" against him wouldn't have happened. But that's just in my opinion.

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Let me ask you something. If your neighbor was accused of murder with no concrete proof but because of his weak alibi. When the cops asked him to take a polygraph to clear his name and he refused simply claiming he was uncomfortable with them. They are often inadmissible to court, but have a high percentage of accuracy. Would it atleast be understandable for detectives to be a little suspicious?

Bad analogy because the Mayweathers don't enforce the rules of boxing in the state of Nevada like the police do with the law.

If the Nevada commission demanded that Manny take a blood test to be licensed for the fight, I'm sure he would take it.

You are blessing the Mayweathers with authoritarian powers, which is wrong. The Mayweathers don't set the rules; the Nevada commission does for fights in Vegas.

This dispute is just as much about ego and browbeating as it is a question about PED's. Pacquiao has every right to say, "Wait a minute, the Mayweathers don't set the rules for testing in Nevada; the commission does."

If the Nevada commission is suspicious, then Pacquiao would be wise to take the blood test, the polygraph in this situation. But if the only person audibly suspicious is a felon who has a history of talking sh*t and who is a relative of the opponent, why should Pacquiao acquiesce to such a flawed non-authority figure?

In other words, if an a-hole neighbor with a loud mouth, a beef and a criminal record accused you of murder, would you voluntarily go to a police station to take a polygraph to clear your name with that neighbor? I don't think so. You'd tell him to f*ck off because he has no authority and no proof, which is exactly what Pacquiao is doing here.

Now, if the cops requested a polygraph, that's a different story. Same thing here if the Nevada commission requested a blood test to license Pacquiao for the fight.

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How often is it wrong when a parent deems their child guilty of something when they ask the child about something they did or didn't do and the child looks all around, plays with his hands and stumbles over his words as he tries to think of an excuse to give to get out of trouble. If you're innocent and haven't done anything wrong, when someone asks you about something it's not even a three second delay in your response that you're innocent and it sure as hell ain't a delay in popping in that video tape showing you not doing whatever you're accused of. Maybe if Pac didn't drop about six different reasons why he couldn't just take a test to clear his name he wouldn't have anything to worry about and the "viral outbreak" against him wouldn't have happened. But that's just in my opinion.

I agree that the "I don't like needles" defense is silly for a guy who has tats. Team Pacquiao didn't manage its message well at all when under fire from the Mayweather camp. But Michael Koncz is a moron and Bob Arum has a big mouth, and neither serve Pacquiao that well.

I still believe in innocence until guilt is proven. I guess that makes me a minority these days.

[King_B_Mack]

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I agree that the "I don't like needles" defense is silly for a guy who has tats. Team Pacquiao didn't manage its message well at all when under fire from the Mayweather camp. But Michael Koncz is a moron and Bob Arum has a big mouth, and neither serve Pacquiao that well.

I still believe in innocence until guilt is proven. I guess that makes me a minority these days.

I see what you're saying, but this is the post Steroid-Era sports world we're in and as an athlete you are guilty until proven innocent. Is it right for things to be that way? Probably not. Is that just the way it is now? Unfortnately. It doesn't matter who's making the demand, the fact is that the court of public opinion is seeing the end result. Is it worth it to throw away your legacy because you feel you don't have to answer to Floyd Mayweather? You shot down Jesus' analogy but you're wrong on that because this situation isn't the Mayweathers acting as the police. The police are the public, the media and possibly even the government if they decided they wanted to stick their noses in this issue.

If your wife or girlfriend or even your neighbor's spouse turns up dead and your neighbor accuses you, it doesn't matter if he's a convicted felon who "likes to talk ****" if all the circumstantial evidence is pointing to you then you're a suspect or at least a 'person of interest' in the investigation. Your accusers credibilty doesn't get you a pass to skate and not have people suspicious of you with circumstantial evidence all around you. When dealing with the law, the motto is always that the evidence speaks for itself. In this case its what people in boxing say about his rise without losing speed and power along with his reaction and poor defense of himself. I'm not saying it's conviction worthy evidence, but people have a right to be suspcious of you and you can't do anything but take it or do whatever is neccessary to prove your innocence without a doubt.

What Manny has done with his terrible handling of this situation is screw himself in the eyes of fight fans, casual fans and the media alike because now if he loses a fight the question arises if he really was on something and got off of it after Mayweather turned the heat up on him and if he keeps dominating it's still wondering whether it's owed to his speculated PED use. Is it really worth that to say screw Mayweather? I'd definitely say no.

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Doesent matter if its the cops or not because its voluntary without legal consequence. But for your pleasure, lets change it to the presecutor.

your answer?

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Doesent matter if its the cops or not because its voluntary without legal consequence. But for your pleasure, lets change it to the presecutor.

your answer?

That's just plain naive. Of course it matters if it's the cops or not. If it's the cops, you suspect they may be building a case against you and may have some evidence, even if a polygraph test can't be admitted in court. If it's your blowhard neighbor, you can flick him off with a wave of your hand.

The cops have authority; your neighbor has none. Of course it makes a difference.

But to answer your question: If it was the prosecutor requesting, I'd take the test. Again, a prosecutor is part of the legal process that could be building a case against you.

Again, here's where your argument is fatally flawed. You're comparing parts of the justice system -- police and prosecutors -- to those who are not parts of the justice system.

Once again, clearly: Floyd Mayweather Sr. and Floyd Mayweather Jr. are NOT part of the licensing system of boxing. They have ZERO authority to demand a drug test. A state athletic board does.

So while your scenario is fun to talk about, it's not relevant to the Pacquiao-Mayweather situation. It only would be relevant if the state athletic board or even one of the boxing sanctioning bodies expressed suspicion of Pacquiao and suggested a blood test might go a long way to clearing that suspicion.

The Mayweathers have ZERO authority or evidence in this instance. They're playing their usual mind games and talking sh*t, a game they have mastered better than anyone in boxing today. But Manny Pacquiao has every right to flick them away with a wave of his hand, just like he was their blowhard neighbors.

It would be a completely different story if the Nevada state athletic commission or one of the sanctioning bodies with belts on the line in this fight raised the allegations and recommended a blood test. Those two groups have regulatory authority in the sport; the Mayweathers do not.

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The power is the most glaring factor. He has kept BOTH his power and speed while moving up. I find it funny that you left out Cotto. Cotto took chopping, thudding punches from Mosely that he walked through while wearing him down with his power punches.

Cotto tried the same thing and failed miserably. Meanwhile Manny is dropping him with single shots.

Mayweather has gotten a little slower and is not raising his KO ratio.

Let me ask you something. If your neighbor was accused of murder with no concrete proof but because of his weak alibi. When the cops asked him to take a polygraph to clear his name and he refused simply claiming he was uncomfortable with them. They are often inadmissible to court, but have a high percentage of accuracy. Would it atleast be understandable for detectives to be a little suspicious?

I agree with your post.

Fighters don't keep power and speed when they age and when they move up in weight. The age and added weight is a bad cocktail for fighters. Just doesn't happen.

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If your wife or girlfriend or even your neighbor's spouse turns up dead and your neighbor accuses you, it doesn't matter if he's a convicted felon who "likes to talk ****" if all the circumstantial evidence is pointing to you then you're a suspect or at least a 'person of interest' in the investigation.

Of course, it does. The credibility of the accuser definitely matters. It makes it a hell of a lot easier for the defense to punch holes into the allegation if the accuser has a spotty past. That's common sense.

Finally, what circumstantial evidence are we talking about surround Pacquiao?

That he has continued to succeed while climbing weight classes? Others have done that, including Mayweather.

That he has a bulkier physique now than at age 16? Most people mature and become bulkier as they age. Also remember that Pacquiao came from incredible poverty and didn't have proper nutrition or training methods available to him when growing up in The Philippines.

That he continues to show power as he reaches his 30s? Remember that Pacquiao's biggest weakness when he lost to Morales was that he lacked power and technique in his right hand. Roach immediately set forth to develop Pacquiao's right as well as his left, and he succeeded. So now Pacquiao has great power in BOTH hands, creating this impression that he's somehow created power in some sort of illicit way. Fact is, he's gone from a one-handed power puncher to a two-hander power puncher. He's always had excellent power in his left.

So again, what's this circumstantial evidence of which you speak other than sh*t-talking by Floyd Mayweather Sr. and a big-time cheap-shot blog by Oscar De La Hoya at ringtv.com?

What Manny has done with his terrible handling of this situation is screw himself in the eyes of fight fans, casual fans and the media alike because now if he loses a fight the question arises if he really was on something and got off of it after Mayweather turned the heat up on him and if he keeps dominating it's still wondering whether it's owed to his speculated PED use. Is it really worth that to say screw Mayweather? I'd definitely say no.

I agree with you wholeheartedly on the ham-fisted PR by Team Pacquiao and Top Rank. Michael Koncz and Arum are loud-mouthed fools who engage their mouths way before their brains, and that has hurt Manny here.

But Pacquiao still doesn't need to answer the Mayweathers. They are not the authorities in this case. If Manny refused to take a blood test upon suggestion of the state of Nevada or a boxing sanctioning body, then my suspicion meter would peg immediately as high as yours.

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Of course, it does. The credibility of the accuser definitely matters. It makes it a hell of a lot easier for the defense to punch holes into the allegation if the accuser has a spotty past. That's common sense.

Finally, what circumstantial evidence are we talking about surround Pacquiao?

That he has continued to succeed while climbing weight classes? Others have done that, including Mayweather.

That he has a bulkier physique now than at age 16? Most people mature and become bulkier as they age. Also remember that Pacquiao came from incredible poverty and didn't have proper nutrition or training methods available to him when growing up in The Philippines.

That he continues to show power as he reaches his 30s? Remember that Pacquiao's biggest weakness when he lost to Morales was that he lacked power and technique in his right hand. Roach immediately set forth to develop Pacquiao's right as well as his left, and he succeeded. So now Pacquiao has great power in BOTH hands, creating this impression that he's somehow created power in some sort of illicit way. Fact is, he's gone from a one-handed power puncher to a two-hander power puncher. He's always had excellent power in his left.

So again, what's this circumstantial evidence of which you speak other than sh*t-talking by Floyd Mayweather Sr. and a big-time cheap-shot blog by Oscar De La Hoya at ringtv.com?

I already explained what the circumstantial evidence was. A person who lacks power in his right hand doesn't suddenly develop it as he gets older. It's particularly suspicious when the fighter begins working with a trainer that has trained a dirty fighter already which Roach has done. Then there is of course the trainer who found it intelligent to come out and say that Pac doesn't know what he gives him which adds more to the circumstantial pile. Again you don't beat being a suspect or person of interest in your spouse or neighbor's spouse's murder because your neighbor is a known **** talker. You know who you could say has no credibilty due to their past convictions and history as **** talkers? Informants. Again the Mayweathers are not acting as the police here, the fans and the media are the police, that's who he's answering to. They're the ones who determine his legacy, if he is innocent you do the stupid tests, one up the Mayweathers and still get to kick his *** as you claim you're going to do and leave him with no excuse why it happened.