The Hidden Side of Floyd Mayweather Jr.

[Jesus]

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You're missing something if the fight is scheduled at 147. Manny has fought his last two of his last three bouts at 147, winning both. He's a proven welterweight.

Marquez never fought heavier than 135 before he fought Money at 145. Hatton had fought only once at 147 before he faced Mayweather at that weight, and that was three fights before the Mayweather fight, against Collazo. Hatton was an unproven welterweight.

I see your point, and while i agree Marquez was not fighting at his normal weight, not much was made of this generally until he lost. His counter-punching was praised and he was touted as a warrior. There were a few that brought up this angle, but that crowd was drowned out by the "Floyd has never fought a counter-puncher of this caliber" bunch. Post fight, everyone was singing the Floyd beat up on the smaller man song.

Hatton fought at 147 as you mentioned and won, so against Floyd he was supposed to be the pressure fighter that wouldnt give Floyd air. Then he loses and the excuses come.

Im not saying Floyd didnt potentially put himself in a advantageous position in these fights, but i want to hear the wide-spread uproar pre-fight. Fair enough?

[JayBee74]

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I think the criticism of Floyd fighting undersized opponents is somewhat unfounded. I mean the guy started his career as a super featherweight and was willing to fight Oscar at super middleweight.

[Jukeman]

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LoL @ Floyd hasnt fought anybody...Have you guys actually looked at his resume past 147??? and yall keep bringing up the same three names, you would think he ducked numerous of fighters....LoL I love trends.....

Floyds 2nd fight after a layoff was going to be Pac man, now its Shane...Pac is Fighting Clottely who lost to Cotto which Pac already beat..Shouldnt Pac be Fighting Shane or move up to to 154????

see what I did there???

[pk500]

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LoL @ Floyd hasnt fought anybody...Have you guys actually looked at his resume past 147???

I have. And he never fought Kostya Tszyu at 140, he never fought Joel Casamayor at 135 and he never fought Marco Antonio Barrera at 126 or 130.

I'll give Floyd credit for two fights against Castillo, though. One tough hombre.

[Jesus]

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I have. And he never fought Kostya Tszyu at 140, he never fought Joel Casamayor at 135 and he never fought Marco Antonio Barrera at 126 or 130.

I'll give Floyd credit for two fights against Castillo, though. One tough hombre.

He called them all out, but was with Top Rank at the time, so he wasnt his own boss.

[Jesus]

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Oh and about Floyd ducking Shane.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPJhvYXKZK8

[pk500]

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He called them all out, but was with Top Rank at the time, so he wasnt his own boss.

I know all about the feud between Top Rank and Golden Boy. Barrera was with Golden Boy from 2003-08, so I'll give you that.

But how do you explain Casamayor and Tszyu? Golden Boy didn't sign Casamayor until 2007, when Mayweather already was at welterweight. Tszyu's promoter was Vlad Wharton, not Golden Boy. Bill Mordey and Susie Bennell were among his managers.

Nice try on blaming Bob Arum with those two fighters, but you're being pretty liberal with the truth.

[Jesus]

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I know all about the feud between Top Rank and Golden Boy. Barrera was with Golden Boy from 2003-08, so I'll give you that.

But how do you explain Casamayor and Tszyu? Golden Boy didn't sign Casamayor until 2007, when Mayweather already was at welterweight. Tszyu's promoter was Vlad Wharton, not Golden Boy. Bill Mordey and Susie Bennell were among his managers.

Nice try on blaming Bob Arum with those two fighters, but you're being pretty liberal with the truth.

Floyd tried to fight the winner of Casamayor v. Freitas, Casamayor loss and Freitas avoided him.

Tszyu had injuries, 3 mandatory title defenses and was under a Showtime contract, so he was out of the question.

lol, now tell me how I am liberal with the truth.

[King_B_Mack]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwNt7wv_RN8&NR=1&feature=fvwp

Just thought this was a good video. What Kenny is saying no one is saying about Floyd, is exactly what people are saying about Floyd as far as excuses go. BTW the Mosley "loose tooth" video is exactly what I'm talking about. Everyone in boxing picks and chooses their fights and fight for the money, it's a business first and foremost just like every professional sport and don't ever forget that. But again Floyd's the coward, he's the one thats wrong and everyone holds a negative opinion about whatever he does but there's no outrage over anyone else pulling the same type of stuff.

I also find it funny seeing Pacquiao's name as this tough guy who doesn't turn down challenges and yadda yadda. If I'm on PEDs I wouldn't have a problem challenging anyone either or moving up in classes to fight people. Not saying he is, but it's not looking good for him at the moment and if it comes out to be true, how can you really justify this guy?

[pk500]

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If I'm on PEDs I wouldn't have a problem challenging anyone either or moving up in classes to fight people. Not saying he is, but it's not looking good for him at the moment and if it comes out to be true, how can you really justify this guy?

How is it "not looking good?" Pacquiao has passed every drug test mandated by state athletic boards before fights and for annual licensing. He has passed every standard required by his sport.

[pk500]

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Floyd tried to fight the winner of Casamayor v. Freitas, Casamayor loss and Freitas avoided him.

Tszyu had injuries, 3 mandatory title defenses and was under a Showtime contract, so he was out of the question.

lol, now tell me how I am liberal with the truth.

What does Top Rank have to do with that? Was Freitas under contract with Golden Boy? I can't remember.

[Jukeman]

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How is it "not looking good?" Pacquiao has passed every drug test mandated by state athletic boards before fights and for annual licensing. He has passed every standard required by his sport.

LoL i know alot of weed heads who never tested positive for drugs...

[King_B_Mack]

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How is it "not looking good?" Pacquiao has passed every drug test mandated by state athletic boards before fights and for annual licensing. He has passed every standard required by his sport.

Did Shane Mosley pass all his tests?

[Jukeman]

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Did Shane Mosley pass all his tests?

I think thats more than enough reason to change...

Olympic style testing being beat in the Olympics has nothing to do with Pro Boxing....

[Jesus]

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What does Top Rank have to do with that? Was Freitas under contract with Golden Boy? I can't remember.

I was not saying Arum was to be totally blamed. I was saying it to say that he did not have 100% control over who he fought. Business conflicts and person conflicts could pay a role.