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  • JayBee74
    Hall Of Fame
    • Jul 2002
    • 22989

    #2581
    Re: Boxing Off-Topic

    Originally posted by Money99
    I guess we can agree to disagree.
    Totally agree Money, but I like the ten point must system the way it is, although sometime judges seem to shy away from giving a non-knockdown 10-8 round when they should award it. When Leonard hurt Hearns badly in their first fight (6th or 7th round) it was only scored 10-9-an ancient example but you know what I mean.

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    • pk500
      All Star
      • Jul 2002
      • 8062

      #2582
      Re: Boxing Off-Topic

      Originally posted by JayBee74
      LOL, you might as well say you think legend Bob Foster could beat Andre Ward. Until Pacquiao gets out of his easy money mode against the likes of Jessie Vargas and an opponent to be named later that's pure speculation.
      Pacquiao is fighting Amir Khan next, who is probably better and definitely faster than anyone Keith Thurman has ever faced.

      Originally posted by JayBee74
      Why the hyperbole? Just looking at it based on actual outcomes and not speculation you could reasonably say that Thurman-Brook-Porter are pretty equal. Then you have to deal with another group including Pac, Bradley, and Spence. Has Thurman proven that he's the best 147 guy in the world...? Not necessarily..Has he proven that he belongs with any of these guys?....YES.
      Beating Shawn Porter and Danny Garcia doesn't mean Keith Thurman belongs in that group. I would like to see him fight someone outside of Al Haymon's little walled garden of overprotection, and then I'll be a true believer. Beat Brook, beat Pacquiao, and I'll believe.

      Spence is the only legitimate challenge left for Thurman in PBC fantasyland.
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      • pk500
        All Star
        • Jul 2002
        • 8062

        #2583
        Re: Boxing Off-Topic

        Originally posted by JayBee74
        Thurman wasn't a "wire to wire" runner-he was popping Garcia good early and then proceeded to try to blow the fight with those antics. I say "could of should of would of" to your assessment of Garcia not cutting the ring off. Sometimes you know what to do and you can't execute because your dealing with other matters, including Thurman's power and footwork.

        Sometimes you just get beat.
        Garcia made no attempt to cut off Thurman. None.

        Thurman's footwork and boxing were impressive. But he was on his bike a hell of a lot more than on the heavy bag or reflex bag in the final three rounds, and Garcia still could do nothing to stop it.

        As you can probably tell, I'm not that impressed by Thurman. Hell, I think Tim Bradley could beat him. I also think Amir Khan could give him a very good fight.

        Khan is a mirror image of Thurman: A big, fast welterweight with very good hand speed and a suspect chin.
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        • gmac0322
          MVP
          • Aug 2009
          • 1650

          #2584
          Re: Boxing Off-Topic

          Originally posted by pk500
          Pacquiao is fighting Amir Khan next, who is probably better and definitely faster than anyone Keith Thurman has ever faced.



          Beating Shawn Porter and Danny Garcia doesn't mean Keith Thurman belongs in that group. I would like to see him fight someone outside of Al Haymon's little walled garden of overprotection, and then I'll be a true believer. Beat Brook, beat Pacquiao, and I'll believe.

          Spence is the only legitimate challenge left for Thurman in PBC fantasyland.
          I don't think the Kahn fight is etched in stone. Arum doesn't want it to happen. He is talking about buisness not being right. Pacman and kahn want it though

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          • pietasterp
            All Star
            • Feb 2004
            • 6237

            #2585
            Re: Boxing Off-Topic

            Originally posted by Money99
            I guess my question is then, why have a 10-point system when they really only use a 2-point scale, and in very, very rare situations, a 3-point system when 2 KD's occur.
            I've been saying this for years. You never see a 10-6 round, for example. Or a 9-5 round. So what's the point of having the 10-point scale when, functionally, only 8-10 matter? It's sort of an academic point, but it's always bothered me and I'm sorta glad to see I'm not the only one.


            Originally posted by bigeastbumrush
            Everyone always sleeps on Garcia. I don't know why.

            To me he's the most technical fighter in any division.
            I think Roman Gonzalez and Guillermo Rigondeaux might have something to say about that....

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            • Money99
              Hall Of Fame
              • Sep 2002
              • 12694

              #2586
              Re: Boxing Off-Topic

              Garcia's limited skill set was evident in this fight.

              That's not to say he isn't a talented fighter, but he's somewhat one dimensional with his power and chin making up for his inability to stalk and trap slick boxers.
              Khan exposed him. If he had a better chin, I wouldn't have been shocked to see him KO Garcia.

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              • JayBee74
                Hall Of Fame
                • Jul 2002
                • 22989

                #2587
                Re: Boxing Off-Topic

                Originally posted by pk500
                Khan is a mirror image of Thurman: A big, fast welterweight with very good hand speed and a suspect chin.
                Thurman has a suspect chin? You're going to compare him to Khan in that regard?
                Prescott obliterates Khan

                Khan doesn't have Thurman's power. Khan started out as a lightweight.

                Originally posted by pk500
                Garcia made no attempt to cut off Thurman. None.
                Why not??? He forgot to do it?

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                • JayBee74
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 22989

                  #2588
                  Re: Boxing Off-Topic

                  Originally posted by Money99
                  Khan exposed him. If he had a better chin, I wouldn't have been shocked to see him KO Garcia.
                  Yeah, I was startled by the one punch turnaround. Khan was hitting Garcia with meaningful shots at will.

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                  • gmac0322
                    MVP
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 1650

                    #2589
                    Re: Boxing Off-Topic

                    Thurman definitely has a chin. Garcia rocked him a couple of times and he took them well. He also took some good shots from Porter and got through that fight well too. I just think hate is real towards him lol

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                    • JayBee74
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 22989

                      #2590
                      Re: Boxing Off-Topic

                      Originally posted by gmac0322
                      Thurman definitely has a chin. Garcia rocked him a couple of times and he took them well. He also took some good shots from Porter and got through that fight well too. I just think hate is real towards him lol
                      Collazo hurt Keith to the body once-After the fight Thurman said he thought about taking a knee to fully recover. Seems to have a pretty good chin though.

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                      • gmac0322
                        MVP
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 1650

                        #2591
                        Re: Boxing Off-Topic

                        Originally posted by JayBee74
                        Collazo hurt Keith to the body once-After the fight Thurman said he thought about taking a knee to fully recover. Seems to have a pretty good chin though.
                        I forgot about that shot. He definitely got caught. A good body shot can be no joke. Thurman definitely has a good chin. Kahn has a straight glass jaw.

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                        • JayBee74
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 22989

                          #2592
                          Re: Boxing Off-Topic

                          Fonfara wants a Joe Smith rematch. I wouldn't mind seeing that.

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                          • sheredia
                            MVP
                            • Apr 2006
                            • 2350

                            #2593
                            Re: Boxing Off-Topic

                            Originally posted by JayBee74
                            Thurman has a suspect chin? You're going to compare him to Khan in that regard?
                            Prescott obliterates Khan

                            Khan doesn't have Thurman's power. Khan started out as a lightweight.



                            Why not??? He forgot to do it?
                            thurman has a better chin....no doubt about it. he was fighting danny pretty well up to the stoppage. the chin was his downfall and will continue to be.

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                            • pk500
                              All Star
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 8062

                              #2594
                              Re: Boxing Off-Topic

                              Originally posted by gmac0322
                              Thurman definitely has a chin. Garcia rocked him a couple of times and he took them well. He also took some good shots from Porter and got through that fight well too. I just think hate is real towards him lol

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                              Garcia is a blown-up junior welterweight. He doesn't have much power at 147.
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                              • pk500
                                All Star
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 8062

                                #2595
                                Re: Boxing Off-Topic

                                Originally posted by pietasterp
                                I think Roman Gonzalez and Guillermo Rigondeaux might have something to say about that....
                                If I was producing a boxing technique video, Vasyl Lomachenko would be the star. The guy is technically perfect.
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