Boxing Off-Topic

[gmac0322]

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Chavez really has always been a joke. Three long layoffs because of undiscine actions outside of the ring. I am still shocked that he made weight. It was a joke that people were selling him as being some kind of world class champion. Just sad.

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[Money99]

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Chavez really has always been a joke. Three long layoffs because of undiscine actions outside of the ring. I am still shocked that he made weight. It was a joke that people were selling him as being some kind of world class champion. Just sad.

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I thought it was hilarious how Jones, Kellerman and Lampley were all bashing Chavez for not taking his career seriously by staying inactive, lax training and never making weight.

Saying that, I do feel that Chavez took this fight seriously but the weight drain was too much.
He looked so weak and slow.

One thing that needs mentioning is that while Yellow looked good, and very strong he couldn't put JR away and didn't hurt him as often as you'd think considering his opponent stood right in front of him without throwing punches.
Yes, JR has a great beard, but he was also very weak for this fight.
While I think Yellow has very good boxing skills I've never thought he has upper class power.
He gets stoppages from overwhelming his opponent with an accumulation of punches.
With GGG's great chin, I wonder if he just walks thru his best shots and overwhelms Yellow and stops him in mid fight.

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[gmac0322]

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I thought it was hilarious how Jones, Kellerman and Lampley were all bashing Chavez for not taking his career seriously by staying inactive, lax training and never making weight.

Saying that, I do feel that Chavez took this fight seriously but the weight drain was too much.
He looked so weak and slow.

One thing that needs mentioning is that while Yellow looked good, and very strong he couldn't put JR away and didn't hurt him as often as you'd think considering his opponent stood right in front of him without throwing punches.
Yes, JR has a great beard, but he was also very weak for this fight.
While I think Yellow has very good boxing skills I've never thought he has upper class power.
He gets stoppages from overwhelming his opponent with an accumulation of punches.
With GGG's great chin, I wonder if he just walks thru his best shots and overwhelms Yellow and stops him in mid fight.

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Yup should be interesting. One thing's for sure. He hasn't gone against a big puncher like ggg. Also it will be interesting if Ggg will give Jacobs a rematch next year. I would like to see that one again.

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[gmac0322]

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Also, people are pissed about this fight. Imagine how the joke of a spectacle of Mayweather vs McGregor would be. It would be 1000 times worst.

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[sheredia]

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Probably because the outcome was never in doubt before, during, and after the fight.

Look, Junior was never that good, and despite Yellow's unpopularity among OSers, he is good. So you have an outmatched opponent probably weakened by a weight drain-what's there to fix?

saw the fight at a local sports bar for free....i wouldn't even call it a fight. it was a glorified sparring session, plain and simple. no fire or urgency from junior at all. yes, he looked spent from making weight (surprisingly) but never made an effort to throw any power punches. knowing the canelo-GGG fight was already signed (which is actually a good thing), fans should feel very slighted from this even being on ppv. it was clearly evident junior just wanted the payday. the fight before the main event was more compelling with reyes coming back from almost being knocked out. the only good part of this fiasco is that canelo-GGG took the september spot from conor-floyd. (deservedly so, since canelo should have that spot anyways). if anything, this fight makes conor-floyd a harder sell, in my opinion.

[Money99]

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saw the fight at a local sports bar for free....i wouldn't even call it a fight. it was a glorified sparring session, plain and simple. no fire or urgency from junior at all. yes, he looked spent from making weight (surprisingly) but never made an effort to throw any power punches. knowing the canelo-GGG fight was already signed (which is actually a good thing), fans should feel very slighted from this even being on ppv. it was clearly evident junior just wanted the payday. the fight before the main event was more compelling with reyes coming back from almost being knocked out. the only good part of this fiasco is that canelo-GGG took the september spot from conor-floyd. (deservedly so, since canelo should have that spot anyways). if anything, this fight makes conor-floyd a harder sell, in my opinion.

In all seriousness, you can't even call that fight a sparring session.
It was basically Yellow hitting a 165lb heavy bag for 12 rounds.
There were probably better fights in the stands than what took place in that ring.

Thank goodness for the Lemieux-Reyes fight. That was a treat to watch.

I was also lucky to have seen the fight for free. I would have been upset if I had paid money (which I would have done if the free option hadn't been there).

Not only that, but my Tigers, behind their dumpster-fire of a reliever lost to the A's last night too!
Serenity now!!!

[pk500]

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Fans got robbed. What a disgrace to boxing. Chavez literally didn't even try.

What did you expect? The last time Jr. gave an honest effort was against Andy Lee, in 2012. He's been a fraud most of his career, living off his famous last name.

[pk500]

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Probably because the outcome was never in doubt before, during, and after the fight.

Look, Junior was never that good, and despite Yellow's unpopularity among OSers, he is good. So you have an outmatched opponent probably weakened by a weight drain-what's there to fix?

Thank you. This was no fix. Chavez is not a good fighter. Never has been. Very limited in his ring smarts, movement, combination punching, etc.

Canelo beats Chavez 10 times out of 10, at any weight.

[sheredia]

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What did you expect? The last time Jr. gave an honest effort was against Andy Lee, in 2012. He's been a fraud most of his career, living off his famous last name.

just when we thought boxing was back (after joshua-klitschko) which WAS ppv worthy, this happens.....at least we get the canelo-GGG fight after all of this.

[pk500]

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just when we thought boxing was back (after joshua-klitschko) which WAS ppv worthy, this happens.....at least we get the canelo-GGG fight after all of this.

There are some solid fights in the next month on premium cable:

May 20 (HBO): Terrance Crawford vs. Felix Diaz
May 20 (Showtime): Gary Russell Jr. vs. Oscar Escandon, Gervonta Davis vs. Liam Walsh
May 27 (Showtime): Kell Brook vs. Errol Spence Jr. (EXCELLENT fight)
June 3 (Showtime): Adonis Stevenson vs. Andrej Fonfara

And the June 17 PPV rematch between Andre Ward and Sergei Kovalev should be worth the money. The first fight was strong.

[pietasterp]

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Probably because the outcome was never in doubt before, during, and after the fight.

Look, Junior was never that good, and despite Yellow's unpopularity among OSers, he is good. So you have an outmatched opponent probably weakened by a weight drain-what's there to fix?

I never thought Jr. was world-class, or even all that good. I have always respected Canelo's skill as a boxer. But Jr. has always been an action fighter, prone to coming forward and pressuring other fighters, regardless of the beating he took. Nothing Canelo hit him with was half as hard as anything Fonfara blasted with him with over the course of that entire fight.

This isn't the first time I've watched either guy fight. I think I can actually credibly say I've seen the vast majority of both of their bouts over their careers. I didn't think JCC would win. I just can't comprehend him throwing 1/3rd the normal number of punches he generally throws and fighting in a completely different manner than every other bout of his entire career. Perhaps the weight loss affected him, perhaps Nacho Beristan's plan was wrong, but to my eye, the whole affair just didn't look right from start to finish. Of course it probably wasn't an out-and-out fix (although we'd never know if it was), but nothing about what happened last night seemed even remotely credible to me. The last time I felt like that was game 7 of the 2002 Western Conference Finals between the Sacramento Kings and LA Lakers.

[JayBee74]

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Of course it probably wasn't an out-and-out fix (although we'd never know if it was), but nothing about what happened last night seemed even remotely credible to me. The last time I felt like that was game 7 of the 2002 Western Conference Finals between the Sacramento Kings and LA Lakers.

Hmmm....2 for 20 beyond the arc didn't help either. I remember that game too well.

[pk500]

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There was no need for a fix. Chavez was not a credible opponent. Match him with Canelo at 164.5 or 168, and Canelo wins 10 times out of 10. They're simply at different levels as fighters.

[sheredia]

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There was no need for a fix. Chavez was not a credible opponent. Match him with Canelo at 164.5 or 168, and Canelo wins 10 times out of 10. They're simply at different levels as fighters.

true...but the pre-fight hype indicated otherwise, especially given the fact they are mexican fighters who would had a genuine hate for one another. similar to the de la hoya-vargas "bad blood" showdown from 2002, where that fight actually delivered on the hype. if only de la hoya had fought with that same passion against mayweather. the only thing canelo-chavez proved was that junior was drained, could take a punch and canelo beat down an unmotivated challenger but could not knock him out.

[pk500]

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true...but the pre-fight hype indicated otherwise, especially given the fact they are mexican fighters who would had a genuine hate for one another. similar to the de la hoya-vargas "bad blood" showdown from 2002, where that fight actually delivered on the hype. if only de la hoya had fought with that same passion against mayweather. the only thing canelo-chavez proved was that junior was drained, could take a punch and canelo beat down an unmotivated challenger but could not knock him out.

Pre-fight hype is designed to increase PPV buys, not tell the truth.

De La Hoya's effort against Mayweather had NOTHING to do with heart. Oscar dangerously drained himself to reach 147. He was so drained that he needed help to rise from the chair to enter the weigh-in -- fact.

You're fooling yourself if think the weight drain was the main reason Chavez didn't perform Saturday night. When is the last time the guy has looked good in the ring? When he knocked out fringe contender Andy Lee -- in 2012.

Chavez had a very small window, from about 2010-12, when he looked like a contender at 160. Otherwise his career will be best remembered for eating Fruit Loops for breakfast at 4 p.m. and smoking weed.

The idea that Chavez was ever a credible opponent for Canelo is pure folly.