Boxing Off-Topic

[edaddy]

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Broner landed 50 punches in a 12-round fight and thought he won. Sadly, Pac landed less than 200. Both guys are diminished versions of their peak selves.

Broner will be dead, in jail or broke by age 40. That's a LOCK.

Yea lost in the result is that despite winning impressively Pac is a shell of himself. He did try to push the fight and Broner's defense first strategy was the reason why he landed only 200. But Pac's balance is way off, his speed has diminished and his reflexes are much slower. Broner when he did throw back landed which is why it's odd that he refused to engage. Against a skilled fighter who can time him Pac,he is stopped by TKO..While I don't wish jail or death on anyone Broner is definitely taking the road to both.. Although I think alot of his street act is too sell tickets he takes it too far..This act of Im' fighting for the hood was idiotic especially when he runs the whole night..He is at the point now where people are testing his street that's why he gets in trouble..If I am a promoter I stay away from him he is all talk ..I think he stays in a defensive shell to avoid getting knocked out ..A KO erases him from the scene completely, a decision allows him to become delusional and talk himself into thinking he won the fight..thereby promoting his next fight..Best thing fans can do is ignore him..

[JayBee74]

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Broner when he did throw back landed which is why it's odd that he refused to engage.

Didn't want to get stung with more punches or rattled? Didn't he get hurt a couple of times in this fight?

[pk500]

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A KO erases him from the scene completely, a decision allows him to become delusional and talk himself into thinking he won the fight..thereby promoting his next fight..Best thing fans can do is ignore him..

Probably won't happen, because a strong chin is Broner's ONLY true skill in the ring.

I'm tired of people complimenting Broner on his toughness. A guy who throws only 200 punches in a 12-round fight is not tough. He's a runner and a fraud.

[edaddy]

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Didn't want to get stung with more punches or rattled? Didn't he get hurt a couple of times in this fight?

To be honest he was out on his feet with a straight left that stiffened him up but got woke up with a right hook in the 7th..To me the hardest shot he took the whole night besides that left was a straight left to the body in the 6th that literally bent him over..any thoughts he had about trying to come on in the later rounds were eliminated after that shot he went into straight defensive mode...to me he would have been better throwing shots to at least keep Pac off him..

[pk500]

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to me he would have been better throwing shots to at least keep Pac off him..

That's not Broner's style. He's a supposed counterpuncher who doesn't counterpunch. The guy NEVER has thrown more than one return shot when hit by a superior opponent in his entire career.

Broner is a complete fraud.

[pietasterp]

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That's not Broner's style. He's a supposed counterpuncher who doesn't counterpunch. The guy NEVER has thrown more than one return shot when hit by a superior opponent in his entire career.

Broner is a complete fraud.

I totally agree with this. Broner has never beaten any good fighter at a weight above 135. He isn't a 147-lb contender. He's barely a 147-lb "opponent". I mean, he was in a very close fight with Paulie Malignaggi for chrissake (not to disrespect Paulie but if you're an elite 147-lb fighter you should probably beat him convincingly, especially at that point in Paulie's career). Why/how he keeps getting top-flight matchups at 147 is a complete mystery to me. His resume does not warrant the attention he gets at all.

His lazy, pick-your-moments type fighting style works when his power can shake guys at 135 and he can't really be knocked down by guys in that weight class, but at any weight above lightweight, he isn't a threat. He's not even exciting or a good action fighter. If he never fights again I'd be fine with that.

[allBthere]

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1-time tomorrow night.

[pietasterp]

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1-time tomorrow night.

Against a pretty reasonable opponent. Not great but credible, I think.

[pk500]

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1-time tomorrow night.

Another overrated PBC fighter. I get the guy was hurt, but he says he wants to take all of 2019 as a "comeback year" after nearly two years out of the ring.

Thurman's nickname isn't a reference to his supposed power -- it's a dig on how many times he fights each year.

[pietasterp]

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Another overrated PBC fighter. I get the guy was hurt, but he says he wants to take all of 2019 as a "comeback year" after nearly two years out of the ring.

Thurman's nickname isn't a reference to his supposed power -- it's a dig on how many times he fights each year.

Yeah, it's sort of hard to know what to make of fighters now that they're all so entrenched in their own promotional camps and it's rare to see guys fight the best in their division these days. Having said that, Thurman has wins over Danny Garcia (close decision) and Shawn Porter, which I think are quality wins. But being suspicious of PBC guys is a reasonable standpoint at this point, IMO.

Thurman was slick early, but definitely was in serious trouble due to Lopez's persistent pressure and go-for-broke style. I think that was a good win but also showed how vulnerable Thurman is. I get that he was off for 2 years, and I expected a competitive fight since Lopez is a good solid fighter, but he was pretty close to getting stopped for a short time there. He's going to have to fight more to be convincing going forward.

Also, since this is technically the boxing catch-all "off topic" thread, I always wonder: how do pro boxers support themselves (financially) when they are not fighting for extended periods of time? Like, how can you go 2 years without paycheck and still maintain any quality of life? Presumably the promotions give the fighters a relatively steady stream of income, but I always wondered how guys can take that long off of their job and still be financially solvent.

[pk500]

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Also, since this is technically the boxing catch-all "off topic" thread, I always wonder: how do pro boxers support themselves (financially) when they are not fighting for extended periods of time? Like, how can you go 2 years without paycheck and still maintain any quality of life? Presumably the promotions give the fighters a relatively steady stream of income, but I always wondered how guys can take that long off of their job and still be financially solvent.

Thurman made $1.4 million for the Porter fight and $2 million for the Garcia fight. A dude has a serious problem if he can't live off $3.4 million for two years, even after paying his trainer, cut man and manager.

Lower-level fighters don't have that luxury. That's why they fight often or don't live lavish lifestyles.

I'm almost positive fighters receive signing bonuses when they align themselves with a major promoter like Top Rank, Golden Boy or PBC. It's a lot like when a top baseball prospect signs out of high school. He won't make jack in Class A ball, but he usually receives a hefty signing bonus.

For example, I'm guessing Shakur Stevenson received a nice signing bonus from Top Rank even though his initial purses when he first turned pro after the Olympics were about $20,000 per fight.

[pietasterp]

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Thurman made $1.4 million for the Porter fight and $2 million for the Garcia fight. A dude has a serious problem if he can't live off $3.4 million for two years, even after paying his trainer, cut man and manager.

Lower-level fighters don't have that luxury. That's why they fight often or don't live lavish lifestyles.

I'm almost positive fighters receive signing bonuses when they align themselves with a major promoter like Top Rank, Golden Boy or PBC. It's a lot like when a top baseball prospect signs out of high school. He won't make jack in Class A ball, but he usually receives a hefty signing bonus.

For example, I'm guessing Shakur Stevenson received a nice signing bonus from Top Rank even though his initial purses when he first turned pro after the Olympics were about $20,000 per fight.

Makes sense, I'm just never sure how much gets raked by promotion, manager, trainer, etc. Let's say he grossed $3.4 Million prior to his 2 year layoff, and 40% of that went to Al Haymon, his fight team, and the myriad other expenses which come with being a top level fighter. (I think 40% is actually conservative, but then I will freely admit I've never seen a top-level fighter's financial statements.)

So he's putting $2-million in his account, but since that counts as ordinary income, 40% of that is going to the federal gub'mint, so that leaves him with ~1.2-Mil. So yeah, that's more than enough to live a very upscale lifestyle anywhere in the country for 2 years, but at ~$600k/year, not NBA-baller level either. Nevertheless, I suppose that answers my question.

The one that also sticks in my mind is the Mikey Garcia 2.5+ year layoff, because to my knowledge he wasn't in that many super-high-profile fights prior to his layoff, and presumably his deal with Top Rank was really raking him over the coals otherwise he wouldn't have sacrificed prime years of his career to get out of it. Although one assumes that given the family's high-profile involvement in boxing, he was never going to be out on the street no matter what.

[JayBee74]

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Two fighters I overrated were Matthysse and Thurman.

It's been over five years and seven fights since "One-Time" has knocked anybody out.

[pietasterp]

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Two fighters I overrated were Matthysse and Thurman.

It's been over five years and seven fights since "One-Time" has knocked anybody out.

Wow, I didn't realize it had been that long. He should probably change his nickname at this point.

Matthysse I think is a different story, because 2 of his 3 losses before his clear decline (after he got into his early 30's) were very close, highly debatable/controversial decisions to Zab Judah and Devon Alexander. He otherwise fought (and beat) a good mix of quality fighters, so I'm not sure he was overrated. I do think by the time he got to be a big name, it was a little late in the game for him unfortunately, so his "peak" was a bit short.

[JayBee74]

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Wow, I didn't realize it had been that long. He should probably change his nickname at this point.

Matthysse I think is a different story, because 2 of his 3 losses before his clear decline (after he got into his early 30's) were very close, highly debatable/controversial decisions to Zab Judah and Devon Alexander. He otherwise fought (and beat) a good mix of quality fighters, so I'm not sure he was overrated. I do think by the time he got to be a big name, it was a little late in the game for him unfortunately, so his "peak" was a bit short.

Still he "seemingly" had the power to close the deal in those debatable fights and couldn't. His best fight was against Lamont Peterson. I was surprised he couldn't beat Danny Garcia. You make good points though.