Boxing Off-Topic

[Money99]

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One of the things that I think needs to change with scoring is there should be more 10-8 rounds awarded regardless if there's a knockdown.

Thurman dominated Garcia in Round 1, stunning him and nearly flooring him.
Using a 10-9 round (without knockdowns) really doesn't do justice for rounds when one fighter is much better than another.

Garcia had his moments, but I felt Thurman took the fight to him far more often, was more impressive and adjusted later in the fight knowing that Garcia was very strong and probably wouldn't be knocked down.

Also, while I want fighters to engage, you shouldn't be penalized for getting on your bike when you've worked and built a lead over the first 9 rounds.
Sports teams do this all the time in the 4th quarter, 3rd period, etc. That's how many teams win championships.
Thurman might have done a lot more back-peddling in the championship rounds, but he still outboxed Garcia the entire time.

This fight reminded me a lot of DLH-Trinidad.
DLH put on an absolute clinic and exposed Trinidad for being a one-dimensional, flat-footed fighter.
Yes he ran in the last 3 rounds, but even when he did, he was pot-shotting Trinidad from the outside and made him look like an amateur.

When the final bell rang, I promised myself that if Garcia got the win, I'd stop watching boxing for a long time (with the exception of Triple-G fights).
The fact one judge had him ahead is ridiculous. That guy should have his license revoked.
Especially when the large majority of fight fans, experts and journalists had Thurman winning 116-112.

[gmac0322]

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One of the things that I think needs to change with scoring is there should be more 10-8 rounds awarded regardless if there's a knockdown.

Thurman dominated Garcia in Round 1, stunning him and nearly flooring him.
Using a 10-9 round (without knockdowns) really doesn't do justice for rounds when one fighter is much better than another.

Garcia had his moments, but I felt Thurman took the fight to him far more often, was more impressive and adjusted later in the fight knowing that Garcia was very strong and probably wouldn't be knocked down.

Also, while I want fighters to engage, you shouldn't be penalized for getting on your bike when you've worked and built a lead over the first 9 rounds.
Sports teams do this all the time in the 4th quarter, 3rd period, etc. That's how many teams win championships.
Thurman might have done a lot more back-peddling in the championship rounds, but he still outboxed Garcia the entire time.

This fight reminded me a lot of DLH-Trinidad.
DLH put on an absolute clinic and exposed Trinidad for being a one-dimensional, flat-footed fighter.
Yes he ran in the last 3 rounds, but even when he did, he was pot-shotting Trinidad from the outside and made him look like an amateur.

When the final bell rang, I promised myself that if Garcia got the win, I'd stop watching boxing for a long time (with the exception of Triple-G fights).
The fact one judge had him ahead is ridiculous. That guy should have his license revoked.
Especially when the large majority of fight fans, experts and journalists had Thurman winning 116-112.

Couldn't have been said any better

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[JayBee74]

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One of the things that I think needs to change with scoring is there should be more 10-8 rounds awarded regardless if there's a knockdown.

Thurman dominated Garcia in Round 1, stunning him and nearly flooring him.
Using a 10-9 round (without knockdowns) really doesn't do justice for rounds when one fighter is much better than another.

Just my opinion, but I didn't think any round in this fight justified a 10-8 score.

I wholeheartedly agree with you about the non-penalty for getting on your bike.

[sheredia]

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Agreed. The 116-112 score seemed right to me.
Props to Garcia for surviving the early rounds and shaking off some tremendous shots.
But I also thought Thurman handled Garcia's best punches too.
He got tagged with a couple hard shots and didn't even blink.
Makes me wonder of Thurman has a great chin or if Garcia's power doesn't translate as well at 147.
Maybe a bit of both.

I need to see Thurman-Brooks now.


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i was going for garcia but he seemed lackluster....not enough punches. when he was active, his accuracy was very good. thurman boxed much better than i expected. i think 115-113 thurman was right. probably lost points with running in the 11th. no need to do that, garcia wasn't really hurting him. apparently, he didn't see de la hoya vs. trinidad. if thurman works on his boxing and counterpunching skills, he will be a force to be reckoned with, for sure. i could even see him giving GGG a threat, if he ever decides to go up to fight him.

[sheredia]

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Just my opinion, but I didn't think any round in this fight justified a 10-8 score.

I wholeheartedly agree with you about the non-penalty for getting on your bike.

i agree with you too about the bike thing....it should be an even round, if anything. thurman controlled the fight, look comfortable too. it would have been easier had one of them been wobbled or something, but they both have very good chins. thurman-porter was a more exciting fight, imo.

[JayBee74]

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i could even see him* giving GGG a threat, if he ever decides to go up to fight him.

*Thurman

Not sure Thurman would past the size challenge to even consider facing GGG. Kell Brook looked pretty good physically when getting even beyond 170 but it didn't mean much in the ring. Given Keith's frame I think he would be harder pressed then Brook to translate any added weight into power. I see Keith's ceiling at 154. (IMO)

Speaking of challenges to GGG, this 154 Lubin guy is only 21 and has time to mature to middleweight-he can hit.

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EDIT: LOL, Lubin might move Yellow Canelo to the 164.5 lbs catchweight division.

[Money99]

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*Thurman

Not sure Thurman would past the size challenge to even consider facing GGG. Kell Brook looked pretty good physically when getting even beyond 170 but it didn't mean much in the ring. Given Keith's frame I think he would be harder pressed then Brook to translate any added weight into power. I see Keith's ceiling at 154. (IMO)

Speaking of challenges to GGG, this 154 Lubin guy is only 21 and has time to mature to middleweight-he can hit.

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EDIT: LOL, Lubin might move Yellow Canelo to the 164.5 lbs catchweight division.

LOL!

He certainly looked good last night. Only 21 and fighting a very legit challenger.
That left-hook was dynamite with it's speed and accuracy.

Looking forward to seeing him fight again.

BTW, not sure if the powers-that-be even know this site exists or cares what a schleb like me says, but I love how a welterweight unification fight, between two undefeated champs was on free TV.
Thank-you, thank-you, thank-you!

[JayBee74]

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Everyone always sleeps on Garcia. I don't know why.

To me he's the most technical fighter in any division.

To me he's one of the most balanced fighters in any division.

His father is a world champion in classlessness, and he defended his title successfully after the fight with another rant.

[sheredia]

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*Thurman

Not sure Thurman would past the size challenge to even consider facing GGG. Kell Brook looked pretty good physically when getting even beyond 170 but it didn't mean much in the ring. Given Keith's frame I think he would be harder pressed then Brook to translate any added weight into power. I see Keith's ceiling at 154. (IMO)

Speaking of challenges to GGG, this 154 Lubin guy is only 21 and has time to mature to middleweight-he can hit.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/vDZKfy6ZHeI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

EDIT: LOL, Lubin might move Yellow Canelo to the 164.5 lbs catchweight division.

this guy has heavy hands and some speed....could pose problems for anyone. looks more of a challenge than thurman. canelo will avoid this guy too. lol.

[SHAKYR]

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this guy has heavy hands and some speed....could pose problems for anyone. looks more of a challenge than thurman. canelo will avoid this guy too. lol.

He has power but needs to be more refined. He doesn't need to be rushed.

[pk500]

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One of the things that I think needs to change with scoring is there should be more 10-8 rounds awarded regardless if there's a knockdown.

Thurman dominated Garcia in Round 1, stunning him and nearly flooring him.
Using a 10-9 round (without knockdowns) really doesn't do justice for rounds when one fighter is much better than another.

Disagree. Thurman dominated Garcia in the first round, but he never truly battered him or hurt him badly. Garcia only needed to tie up once. A fighter with a good chin and heart should be rewarded as much as a fighter who batters his foe.

10-8 rounds without a knockdown should be as rare as Halley's Comet. Round 1 was not a 10-8 round. Not even close.

Garcia could have won this fight if his father spent as much time teaching him how to cut off the ring as he did running his mouth before the fight. Appalling how poorly a so-called world-class fighter with a belt let Thurman run.

Golovkin is the exact opposite. He traps guys like wounded prey in a cave and finishes them.

[pk500]

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Thurman boxed well. But the writer of The Ring's review of the fight said Thurman could claim he's the best 147-pounder in the world.

That is RIDICULOUS.

No doubt in my mind Pacquiao could beat Thurman, even in his diminished, aging state. Manny would cut off the ring and attack Thurman with speed and from angles -- all things Garcia couldn't or didn't do.

I also think Kell Brook would beat Thurman. Hell, I think Shawn Porter would beat Thurman in a rematch.

And it's very possible Errol Spence Jr. could beat all of the above.

Thurman is a world-class welterweight who moved up a step Saturday night with that win. But best in the world? Fight a couple of top contenders outside the protected PBC universe, and maybe I'll agree.

[JayBee74]

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No doubt in my mind Pacquiao could beat Thurman, even in his diminished, aging state. Manny would cut off the ring and attack Thurman with speed and from angles -- all things Garcia couldn't or didn't do.

LOL, you might as well say you think legend Bob Foster could beat Andre Ward. Until Pacquiao gets out of his easy money mode against the likes of Jessie Vargas and an opponent to be named later that's pure speculation.

I also think Kell Brook would beat Thurman. Hell, I think Shawn Porter would beat Thurman in a rematch.

Yeah, lets just pretend the first fight didn't happen.

Thurman boxed well. But the writer of The Ring's review of the fight said Thurman could claim he's the best 147-pounder in the world.

That is RIDICULOUS.

Why the hyperbole? Just looking at it based on actual outcomes and not speculation you could reasonably say that Thurman-Brook-Porter are pretty equal. Then you have to deal with another group including Pac, Bradley, and Spence. Has Thurman proven that he's the best 147 guy in the world...? Not necessarily..Has he proven that he belongs with any of these guys?....YES.

Not against you PK, I'm just saying forget the guesswork-just get these guys in the ring together!!

[Money99]

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Disagree. Thurman dominated Garcia in the first round, but he never truly battered him or hurt him badly. Garcia only needed to tie up once. A fighter with a good chin and heart should be rewarded as much as a fighter who batters his foe.

10-8 rounds without a knockdown should be as rare as Halley's Comet. Round 1 was not a 10-8 round. Not even close.

Garcia could have won this fight if his father spent as much time teaching him how to cut off the ring as he did running his mouth before the fight. Appalling how poorly a so-called world-class fighter with a belt let Thurman run.

Golovkin is the exact opposite. He traps guys like wounded prey in a cave and finishes them.

I guess we can agree to disagree.
I think the fact that every round has to be 10-9 is the reason we see so many dumb scores from judges.
Round 1:
Fighter A batters Fighter B about the ring with jabs, power shots and combo's.
Fighter A: 10-9

Round 2:
Fighter A and Fighter B box evenly throughout with Fighter B getting a slight nod due to scoring more clean jabs.
Fighter B: 10-9.

After two rounds both figthers are considered even on the scoresheets, even though over the course of 6 rounds, Fighter A has clearly done more damage and been more impressive over Fighter B.

Boxing needs to look at why every round HAS to be a 10-9 round when absent of knockdowns.
I guess my question is then, why have a 10-point system when they really only use a 2-point scale, and in very, very rare situations, a 3-point system when 2 KD's occur.

[JayBee74]

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Garcia could have won this fight if his father spent as much time teaching him how to cut off the ring as he did running his mouth before the fight. Appalling how poorly a so-called world-class fighter with a belt let Thurman run.

Thurman wasn't a "wire to wire" runner-he was popping Garcia good early and then proceeded to try to blow the fight with those antics. I say "could of should of would of" to your assessment of Garcia not cutting the ring off. Sometimes you know what to do and you can't execute because your dealing with other matters, including Thurman's power and footwork.

Sometimes you just get beat.