GPD's official response to Finish the Fight discussion

[TheGentlemanGhost]

Re: GPD's official response to Finish the Fight discussion

How about you were actually able to block from side control..you know, because in UFC 1 you didn't have to spam transition fakes to not get hit unlike UFC 2 and 3

OMG, the lack of blocking in some of these positions is so frustrating. I'm REALLY hoping they can add some blocking into these ground positions via patch this time around and we don't have to hope and wait for it in the next installment. I also have the lack of blocking when your caught in rubber guard, esp since it was so easily spammed in UFC 2.

[Dave_S]

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OMG, the lack of blocking in some of these positions is so frustrating. I'm REALLY hoping they can add some blocking into these ground positions via patch this time around and we don't have to hope and wait for it in the next installment. I also have the lack of blocking when your caught in rubber guard, esp since it was so easily spammed in UFC 2.

I hate that only certain disciplines can go to stacked guard from when opponent has them in rubber guard. So few fighters have that in UFC 2 it's crazy.

[Haz____]

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Joe Rogan's favorite video games are Doom and Quake.

So let me get this straight....

Hyper violent blood & gore, death and killing, soaked in demonic & satanic imagery is OK, but simulating a sport the way it actually happens in real life is not?

Can someone explain to me how that makes sense?


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Look... Starched out, Ice cold, 1 shot, walk away KOs objectively just don't happen that often....

Just 1 example out of thousands, but here.... Conor Mcgregor. Devastating KO artist. I'm sure he's going to have insane power stats, move levels, and KO perks, yet wait, look at this.......

Literally every single KO he has in the UFC is a knockdown with follow up punches. Every single one.

Spoiler

OK, how about Rumble then.. Most devastating striker in the UFC right?

Spoiler

Follow up strikes to finish the fight every time.


Finishing the fight is a part of the sport. You very very rarely see a walk away KO. Removing this feature is a big step backwards in terms of realism and simulating the sport for what it is.

[Dave_S]

Re: GPD's official response to Finish the Fight discussion

Holly Holm.

[TheUFCVeteran]

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Tell me how far we really are from a TLC Bellator match.

Honestly, the best thing for competition IMO is to get the Yukes development team, specifically the UD3 guys and create a Bellator MMA game with Undisputed's blood running through its veins. Just imagine, if they're able to do that, we'd effectively have Undisputed 4 just with a different facade. Now of course, this is assuming they still have their engine for Undisputed, because if EA got that when they got the UFC license, then it'd take quite a lot of work to get it back to what they had I'd assume. At the very least though, they've done it before.

If Bellator themselves funded it, even better. I doubt it but that'd be cool.

[Rolltide1980]

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I think it would be cool to see another MMA game from another developer, preferably Yukes. I know it would probably never happen but I have a feeling Rockstar could make one hell of a game,even if it were just fictional organizations and fighters.

[Dave_S]

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Honestly, the best thing for competition IMO is to get the Yukes development team, specifically the UD3 guys and create a Bellator MMA game with Undisputed's blood running through its veins. Just imagine, if they're able to do that, we'd effectively have Undisputed 4 just with a different facade. Now of course, this is assuming they still have their engine for Undisputed, because if EA got that when they got the UFC license, then it'd take quite a lot of work to get it back to what they had I'd assume. At the very least though, they've done it before.

If Bellator themselves funded it, even better. I doubt it but that'd be cool.

That would be amazing! Especially if it got it's on section of the forums here, then I wouldn't have read about yukes or UD3 anymore.

I think it would be cool to see another MMA game from another developer, preferably Yukes. I know it would probably never happen but I have a feeling Rockstar could make one hell of a game,even if it were just fictional organizations and fighters.

Rockstar would abandon single player career and focus only on making money online. At least EA still cares about career mode.

[Nugget7211]

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Joe Rogan's favorite video games are Doom and Quake.

So let me get this straight....

Hyper violent blood & gore, death and killing, soaked in demonic & satanic imagery is OK, but simulating a sport the way it actually happens in real life is not?

Can someone explain to me how that makes sense?

Go watch the JRE clip if you haven't, it's a really bad, unrealistic stoppage. It's him fighting Nick Diaz, and he rocks Diaz with a lead high kick, drops him with a wheelkick that lands with the thigh as Diaz shoots a single and then lands 3-4 follow up shots on the ground while Diaz doesn't move, before getting bored and walking off of his own accord with 0 referee intervention. None of that is at all what happens in real life, so you've framed this in a really unfair way to Rogan, who was literally just reacting to the video he was being shown.

I pretty much agree with the rest of your comment though, except I don't think UFC 2 was a particularly accurate representation, it was too brutal with 90% of stoppages and always felt a shot or two too late in my opinion. I do think they over corrected and went not brutal enough in 3 though and do think it needs to be changed.

My personal feelings are that after the controller vibration in 2, which tells you you've finished the fight, you should at maximum be able to land 2 strikes before it's stopped, you should never get the 8 hammerfists on an unconscious dude that are possible in 2.

[TheGentlemanGhost]

Re: GPD's official response to Finish the Fight discussion

Joe Rogan's favorite video games are Doom and Quake.

So let me get this straight....

Hyper violent blood & gore, death and killing, soaked in demonic & satanic imagery is OK, but simulating a sport the way it actually happens in real life is not?

Can someone explain to me how that makes sense?


---------------------------------------------------


Look... Starched out, Ice cold, 1 shot, walk away KOs objectively just don't happen that often....

Just 1 example out of thousands, but here.... Conor Mcgregor. Devastating KO artist. I'm sure he's going to have insane power stats, move levels, and KO perks, yet wait, look at this.......

Literally every single KO he has in the UFC is a knockdown with follow up punches. Every single one.

Spoiler

OK, how about Rumble then.. Most devastating striker in the UFC right?

Spoiler

Follow up strikes to finish the fight every time.


Finishing the fight is a part of the sport. You very very rarely see a walk away KO. Removing this feature is a big step backwards in terms of realism and simulating the sport for what it is.

But Haz, we can still do this, most of those weren't even called until the follow up punches, and we can still do follow up punches on knock downs because the fight isn't over yet.

None of those guys are also bombing the KOed opponent more than 2 or maybe 3 strikes after the fight is called and when it does happen irl, every one throws a fit b/c the ref should've been stopped the fight. The lack of referee interaction prior to this also made the FTF GNP unrealistic, we could throw about half a dozen punches after the KO or a single punch WELL after the KO still without a ref that would actually stop that irl.

If we had a ref that would dash in and stop fights (sometimes on time and sometimes not so much) it would have been realistic when we had FTF because those refs also stop a lot of followups from ever connecting too. So it was never realistic with or without the follow ups after the KO really if we want to talk realism.

[emmdeekay]

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People's reverence for the Undsiputed series always makes me wonder what games I was playing all those years ago.

I remember them being unbalanced, buggy, clinchtastic, nonsense fests.

Flash Submissions

Instant Takedowns

THE SHINE?!

A chance to instantly lose the fight to a broken leg because you got checked

Rampage Jackson and Brock Lesnar having the best submissions on the game because they were based off the strength stat.


And Anyone that's even looked at a WWE game in the past 5 years knows how absolutely terrible Yukes is as a developer.

[TheUFCVeteran]

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People's reverence for the Undsiputed series always makes me wonder what games I was playing all those years ago.

I remember them being unbalanced, buggy, clinchtastic, nonsense fests.

Flash Submissions

Instant Takedowns

THE SHINE?!

A chance to instantly lose the fight to a broken leg because you got checked

Rampage Jackson and Brock Lesnar having the best submissions on the game because they were based off the strength stat.


And Anyone that's even looked at a WWE game in the past 5 years knows how absolutely terrible Yukes is as a developer.

I've been playing UD3 for the past week or so on Ultimate/Simulation and I still love it as much as I thought I did. To me, it's timeless.

[tempman1000]

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I don’t think we would get something of the quality EA 3 is, but I wouldn’t be shocked if 2K modified the holy hell out of the WWE engine to make a Bellator game.

It’s entirely possibly I’m the crazy one here.

It would be similar to ud3 because wwe uses yukes. I would love to see it, but i also like what ea sports ufc is doing. They just need a couple key features and they will be king. Imo

[emmdeekay]

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I've been playing UD3 for the past week or so on Ultimate/Simulation and I still love it as much as I thought I did. To me, it's timeless.

Hey man to each their own. I never really played a lot vs the AI so maybe that's what I'm missing.

From my point of view though I'd take the EA UFC/MMA games over the THQ ones any day even if you can't punch people after a KO.

[TheUFCVeteran]

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Hey man to each their own. I never really played a lot vs the AI so maybe that's what I'm missing.

From my point of view though I'd take the EA UFC/MMA games over the THQ ones any day even if you can't punch people after a KO.

Yeah the issues that really brought down the online experience was locking it to default energy and thus spam was possible, as well as twitch reversals.

[Trillz]

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Hey man to each their own. I never really played a lot vs the AI so maybe that's what I'm missing.

From my point of view though I'd take the EA UFC/MMA games over the THQ ones any day even if you can't punch people after a KO.

the online experience is way better on the EA series but offline UD3 still wins by a longshot.