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[ex carrabba fan]

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They have all the relevance in the world hahaha. I responded directly to two of aholberts posts. And I was hardly "bashing" him. More like stating that I don't care for him and his antics because he was the topic of discussion. It's my opinion, just as you are entitled to your opinions.

You added on a bunch of opinions (which are completely fine) that had nothing to do with Nate Diaz wanting more money. If you don't like the Diaz brothers, that's completely understandable. They are unstable and often talk out of their asses.

[aholbert32]

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True, he's not technically a draw. I meant he's a draw because of his style. Fan friendly, in your face, not running style. In the technical sense you're right, he hasn't headlined PPV's but he's headlined a number of cards.

The Miller v Diaz card had a gate of $1,100,000. Is that not good?

Where did you get those contract numbers by the way?

If only Bendo, Pettis, Sanchez and Melendez are getting paid more then he doesn't have a real case. Where did you find their contracts?

I totally missed this post. My bad Ex.

1.1 mil is low for NY/NJ. By comparison, Jones/Sonnen drew 2.7 million. Thats not completely fair because Jones is a bigger draw than either Diaz or Miller but 1.1 is poor for a fight right outside of NY.

[ex carrabba fan]

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I totally missed this post. My bad Ex.

1.1 mil is low for NY/NJ. By comparison, Jones/Sonnen drew 2.7 million. Thats not completely fair because Jones is a bigger draw than either Diaz or Miller but 1.1 is poor for a fight right outside of NY.

All good! OK I see. I know you know a lot of numbers.

Well what I'd like to see is his remaining contract as well as the deal and how it was originally structured.

[aholbert32]

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All good! OK I see. I know you know a lot of numbers.

Well what I'd like to see is his remaining contract as well as the deal and how it was originally structured.

We can only go off of what Nate tells us because the UFC doesnt release that info. We know its an 8 fight deal and its 60/60 now because of what Nate said. We know he made 30/30 for the Hendo and Maynard fights because thats the info the commissions released.

I guess I dont get why Nate should be making more. He's a top 10 LW. He has been a .500 fighter since 2011. He isnt a PPV draw. The UFC only pays champions and PPV draws. Henderson got a raise when he won the belt and beat Edgar again. Same with Pettis. Win and it gives you leverage to demand more money. Thats why Gil was able to get the deal he got.

I just dont see how losing to Bendo, getting KO'd by Thomson and beating Maynard makes you deserve more money.

[aholbert32]

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More Diaz news: Nick was offered Hector Lombard. Dana hasnt heard back from him about that fight.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Nick Diaz pisses me off much more than Nate does. Nick has been offered so many chances, when he hasn't deserved them, yet he always thinks he's entitled to even more.

[redsrule]

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Crazy how big of a disparity of $$$ there is in MMA when it comes to boxing. Nate is making 60/60, but a fringe top 15 guy like in boxing would likely be making 200k or so a fight guaranteed.

[aholbert32]

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Crazy how big of a disparity of $$$ there is in MMA when it comes to boxing. Nate is making 60/60, but a fringe top 15 guy like in boxing would likely be making 200k or so a fight guaranteed.

I dont know about a fringe top 15 guy but a guy ranked where Nate is in boxing's premier divisions like WW, MW or HW would definitely see that or more in boxing. A couple of things on MMA's side is the the health insurance UFC fighters get and the fact that MMA fighters tend to have less money taken from their guarantee. In Boxing, the promoter takes his cut from the guarantee. A guy like Arum or Haymon is taking 10-20% of that. That doesnt happen in the UFC.

With that said we are at the tipping point with the UFC's pay. They need to set a higher minimum pay (around 10-15k) and definitely need to bump up the pay of the mid range fighters. What sucks is guys like the Diazs are the only ones complaining openly about pay and they are getting paid decent money so it has less effect.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Al or someone, I'm just not understanding Nate's current deal. I just read that he made $30K in his knockout win over Maynard.

Maynard made $45K for losing.

That's just sad, regardless of how the contracts were structured.

The wily Stockton slugger took home a measly $30,000 for his first-round technical knockout win over Gray Maynard in the main event of The Ultimate Fighter (TUF) 18 Finale (watch the replay here), which took place last Saturday night (Nov. 30, 2013) at Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas, Nevada.

"The Bully" banked $45,000 in defeat, according to Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC).

http://www.mmamania.com/2013/12/2/5166816/ufc-tuf-18-finale-payouts-salaries-maynard-diaz-nsac-mma

[aholbert32]

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Al or someone, I'm just not understanding Nate's current deal. I just read that he made $30K in his knockout win over Maynard.

Maynard made $45K for losing.

That's just sad, regardless of how the contracts were structured.



http://www.mmamania.com/2013/12/2/51...-diaz-nsac-mma

Thats confusing. Nate was paid 50 (he wouldve made 50 more with a win) when he lost to Henderson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_on_...eported_Payout). He signed a new deal before that fight.

Nate says his current contract is 60/60. I dont see how it would drop from 50 to 15 for the Maynard fight unless Nate has the worst manager in the world. That makes no sense.

[redsrule]

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I dont know about a fringe top 15 guy but a guy ranked where Nate is in boxing's premier divisions like WW, MW or HW would definitely see that or more in boxing. A couple of things on MMA's side is the the health insurance UFC fighters get and the fact that MMA fighters tend to have less money taken from their guarantee. In Boxing, the promoter takes his cut from the guarantee. A guy like Arum or Haymon is taking 10-20% of that. That doesnt happen in the UFC.

With that said we are at the tipping point with the UFC's pay. They need to set a higher minimum pay (around 10-15k) and definitely need to bump up the pay of the mid range fighters. What sucks is guys like the Diazs are the only ones complaining openly about pay and they are getting paid decent money so it has less effect.

True. But the difference, even after managers getting a 10-20% cut is still staggering.
As much as the UFC should be paying people more, it's even worse in Bellator. Guys have to sell tickets & iirc I read on the UG at least one guy had his fight cancelled because he didn't sell enough tickets/you have to eat the difference in what you don't sell. I could be wrong there, I just remember reading something recently on the UG about that.

Al or someone, I'm just not understanding Nate's current deal. I just read that he made $30K in his knockout win over Maynard.

Maynard made $45K for losing.

That's just sad, regardless of how the contracts were structured.



http://www.mmamania.com/2013/12/2/51...-diaz-nsac-mma

That's correct. He took home another 50k for KoTN.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Thats confusing. Nate was paid 50 (he wouldve made 50 more with a win) when he lost to Henderson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_on_...eported_Payout). He signed a new deal before that fight.

Nate says his current contract is 60/60. I dont see how it would drop from 50 to 15 for the Maynard fight unless Nate has the worst manager in the world. That makes no sense.

Nate also made $15K in his fight with Thomson. So he made $15K against Thomson and then another 15K against Maynard (and another 15K for the win).

That's just not a fair amount.

Josh Thomson: $95,000 (includes $10,000 win bonus) def. Nate Diaz: $15,000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_on_Fox:_Henderson_vs._Melendez#UFC_on_Fox:_Henderson_vs._Melendez

[ex carrabba fan]

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True. But the difference, even after managers getting a 10-20% cut is still staggering.
As much as the UFC should be paying people more, it's even worse in Bellator. Guys have to sell tickets & iirc I read on the UG at least one guy had his fight cancelled because he didn't sell enough tickets/you have to eat the difference in what you don't sell. I could be wrong there, I just remember reading something recently on the UG about that.



That's correct. He took home another 50k for KoTN.

So making 15K a fight seems fair to you guys? That's just not a lot of money. Nate needs better negotiating managers.

[redsrule]

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So making 15K a fight seems fair to you guys? That's just not a lot of money. Nate needs better negotiating managers.

Nope. He should be getting 50k or so a fight I think. Maybe more if the UFC paid everyone better as a whole. Like I said the difference in pay from MMA to boxing is staggering.

Agreed, 15k for a guy that has been in the UFC for like 7 years is pretty ****ty.

[aholbert32]

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So making 15K a fight seems fair to you guys? That's just not a lot of money. Nate needs better negotiating managers.

Here is my guess: He has the worst manager in the history of the UFC.

Here are his pre Henderson payouts:

v. Gomi: 37/37k
v. Cerrone: 37/37k
V. Miller: 50k/50k

He signed a new deal before the Henderson fight but I'm assuming that deal didnt kick in until after because he got 50/50 for Henderson which is the same as the Miller deal.

So either the UFC is underreporting his payouts to the commissions or there is other bonus money in his contract that the UFC isnt obligated to report......or......his manager negotiated a 8 fight deal that guaranteed him significantly less than what he received before while coming off of a 3 fight win streak.

What I dont get is why Nate says his deal is 60/60. That doenst make sense to me.