UFC 108: Evans v. T Silva

[MC Fatigue]

Re: UFC 108: Evans v. T Silva

But all he did was take him down or hold him against the fence. That's literally it.

He did absolutely no damage. Every time he got the take down, Thiago worked his way back up. The only damage done at all was Thiago clobbering Evans with that combo - that was it.

It's kind of disappointing to see a guy win buy just taking a guy down and doing nothing, then the other guy working his way up.

The way I see it - if you take a guy down, great. DO SOMETHING. If the guy works his way back up with the other fighter doing nothing, then cancel the points out. Getting up and taking 0 damage from a guy should earn you equal points to the take down itself; because the actions themselves cancel each other out.

If Rashad actually hit him, did some damage, held him down - or anything like that - then it would have been fine; but he really did nothing. It was worse than a Guida dry-hump fest... At least Guida does some damage when he's clinching and laying on top of other fighters, humping their legs.

Thiago is good enough and strong enough to get out of trouble, but in this fight that is all he did besides make an *** out of himself.

I guess he was pulling an Evans. Maybe he should have done a little dance, too - then people would have liked it more.

[Parasight]

Re: UFC 108: Evans v. T Silva

Yeah, you got to give Shad all the credit in the world for not getting baited into a slug fest in the 3rd. Very smart move on his part.

Yeah, but he also didn't shoot in or fire a straight. He just stood there, and eventually got caught. I'm very impressed with his takedown ability, but I'm not a fan of fighters who try to "outscore" the opponent. IMO, damage should always be the strongest judging point - but in this current 10-point must system, this will never happen.

Still, these are my 2 favorite LHW's and I thought it was a good fight, albeit a little frustrating because of the lack-of-action.

[OSUFan_88]

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We must not have been watching the same fight. I saw a few amazing things, especially considering he wasn't fighting a cupcake in there.

Several times, Rashad ducked into a takedown ON REACTION. That is sick, man. Especially against top competition. He did it dry, and he did it out of a combination. As soon as Thiago threw a punch, Rashad ducked into a takedown. At other moments, Rashad threw clean combinations and then ducked into a takedown the VERY second Thiago countered.

That is elite level skill, man. Most guys do those things in predetermined motions like robots. When you can keep punching until a guy counter punches, and then react fast enough with the take down, you are SHARP, my man.

Thiago is good enough and strong enough to get out of trouble, but in this fight that is all he did besides make an *** out of himself.

Some of those things are great...if you can follow up on it. Shad didn't follow up on any of his numerous opportunities and almost pissed it away in the end. He's pretty lucky he was fighting someone with rocks for brains.

[Bornindamecca]

Re: UFC 108: Evans v. T Silva

But all he did was take him down or hold him against the fence. That's literally it.

He did absolutely no damage. Every time he got the take down, Thiago worked his way back up. The only damage done at all was Thiago clobbering Evans with that combo - that was it.

It's kind of disappointing to see a guy win buy just taking a guy down and doing nothing, then the other guy working his way up.

The way I see it - if you take a guy down, great. DO SOMETHING. If the guy works his way back up with the other fighter doing nothing, then cancel the points out. Getting up and taking 0 damage from a guy should earn you equal points to the take down itself; because the actions themselves cancel each other out.

If Rashad actually hit him, did some damage, held him down - or anything like that - then it would have been fine; but he really did nothing. It was worse than a Guida dry-hump fest... At least Guida does some damage when he's clinching and laying on top of other fighters, humping their legs.



I guess he was pulling an Evans'. Maybe he should have done a little dance, too - then people would have liked it more.

I'll keep this short. Thiago didn't get rocked, but he got hit. Over the course of the first two rounds, he realized that he couldn't strike with Rashad, nor could he sweep Rashad out of the clinch. So he figured his only course was to counter punch, which is why he taunted, which almost worked because Rashad was nearly too smart for his own good, knowing that he'd already dominated.

When you are outclassed like that, you have to take chances, and Thiago was too chicken**** to do that. Rashad pushed the action until he had the fight won. You can't blame him for waiting out in the third. The onus is on Thiago to win big. Suga earned the right to watch Thiago beg for a counterpunch opportunity.

[Gibbz]

Re: UFC 108: Evans v. T Silva

When Thiago stood there with his hands on his hips letting Shad recover, I stood up off the couch and stated, "YO YOU DUMB ****!"

I laughed because a friend responded, "What man?"

[jeremym480]

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Shad, IMO, looked awful. He's damn lucky he didn't fight like that against Rampage or he would have gotten destroyed.

Looked awful?? He looked pretty good in the first two rounds. I mean, he drove him down multiple times and slammed him at least twice. It was disappointing that he couldn't keep him down and you have to give Silva some credit for that but Hell, also he didn't even lay a hand on Shad until mid-way through the 2nd.

Whether people like it our not out pointing your oppenent is a legitiment stragey in MMA. This isn't Rock em Sock em Robots. With that being said IMO the fight was exciting. It was obvious that Shad worked his strategy to perfection in the 1st and 2nd round and frustrated a top fighter like Silva, enough to make him act like a fool.

[BSanders]

Re: UFC 108: Evans v. T Silva

When you are outclassed like that

If that was true the fight would of been over in the 1st round.

[MC Fatigue]

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Whether people like it our not out pointing your oppenent is a legitiment stragey in MMA.

But what I don't get is why taking someone down counts for points, while getting back up whilst that fighter is still trying to hold you down counts for nothing.

Why does pulling a guy to the mat, laying on him for 10 seconds, and then being pushed back up count for points? The getting back up part should nullify the take down.

At least do SOMETHING once on the ground.

I understand how it's scored - but I think it's kind of stupid.

[BlueNGold]

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If that was true the fight would of been over in the 1st round.

Well BJ Penn outclassed Diego Sanchez last month and that fight wasn't over in the 1st.

When Thiago stood there with his hands on his hips letting Shad recover, I stood up off the couch and stated, "YO YOU DUMB ****!"

I laughed because a friend responded, "What man?"

[BlueNGold]

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But what I don't get is why taking someone down counts for points, while getting back up whilst that fighter is still trying to hold you down counts for nothing.

Why does pulling a guy to the mat, laying on him for 10 seconds, and then being pushed back up count for points? The getting back up part should nullify the take down.

At least do SOMETHING once on the ground.

I understand how it's scored - but I think it's kind of stupid.

Definitely agree that if you get back up from a takedown taking little to no damage that the points should cancel each other out.

[goh]

Re: UFC 108: Evans v. T Silva

In all the years I've watched MMA I have never seen a:

Inverted triangle kimura
Rolling kimura
Rolling sabot kick
Standing rear naked choke from the front (if Rogan doesn't know what it is I don't either)
Spininng backfist/superman punch combo
Jumping spinning back kick

...all in one show.
Will probably never see it again.

Too bad only 2 of them were successful but nice anyway.

[fpac]

Re: UFC 108: Evans v. T Silva

Damn good card. Terrible main event, IMO. Never dreamed I'd say that about Evans-Silva before tonight...

[jeremym480]

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But what I don't get is why taking someone down counts for points, while getting back up whilst that fighter is still trying to hold you down counts for nothing.

Why does pulling a guy to the mat, laying on him for 10 seconds, and then being pushed back up count for points? The getting back up part should nullify the take down.

At least do SOMETHING once on the ground.

I understand how it's scored - but I think it's kind of stupid.

I agree with you on take downs. If one fighter takes another down and then that fighter gets back up then the points should cancel out. However, Evans easily controlled the 1st two rounds by landing some punches along with the take downs. Meanwhile Silva literally did NOTHING for the 1st round and a half.

So I guess what I'm saying is it's better to land a couple of "set-up punches", take a fighter down, lay on them for 10 seconds and allow them to get back up; than to not land any punches, get taken down and then get up.

[Piderman]

Re: UFC 108: Evans v. T Silva

I saw the third round of the Evans fight, judging by that, I would say that the fight was pretty crap?

[Phillmattic]

Re: UFC 108: Evans v. T Silva

I don't understand the logic behind "getting up from a takedown should cancel the points." You cancel the points by STUFFING the take down.