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  • WeLLWeLL
    MVP
    • Nov 2008
    • 2507

    #286
    Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

    Originally posted by aholbert32
    The "overreaction" is reasonable. The guy has headlined 3 PPVs since he beat Henderson and all 3 fights looked the same. Silva showboated, ran, waited for counter punches and it resulted and three of the worst PPV main events in MMA history. Dana has a right to be pissed because the guys is ****ing with his business. The fans have a right to be pissed because they paid 60 bucks.

    What makes MMA better than boxing right now is the understanding that most fighters try to finish fights. Thats why GSP apologized a few weeks ago for not finishing Hardy...because the understanding is that you ****ing finish fights. You dont coast to victories for 3 rounds when you have someone dominated, you finish them.
    Well said. Like I said earlier, I enjoyed the first two rounds. But after all that showboating and mocking of his opponent, Silva did nothing to finish him. If you're going to taunt a guy repeatedly, at least show me that you have the ability to end this fight rather than ducking out for the next 3 rounds. At least Maia went on the attack. So what if he wasn't successful, at least he tried to put on a show and make a name for himself. I hardly have any favorites in the UFC really, I just like to watch fights rather than dancing.

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    • BlueNGold
      Hall Of Fame
      • Aug 2009
      • 21817

      #287
      Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

      Originally posted by WeLLWeLL
      Well said. Like I said earlier, I enjoyed the first two rounds. But after all that showboating and mocking of his opponent, Silva did nothing to finish him. If you're going to taunt a guy repeatedly, at least show me that you have the ability to end this fight rather than ducking out for the next 3 rounds. At least Maia went on the attack. So what if he wasn't successful, at least he tried to put on a show and make a name for himself. I hardly have any favorites in the UFC really, I just like to watch fights rather than dancing.
      See this is what I don't get. Everyone is loving Maia right now because "he tried to put on a show" but where was that effort in the first 2-3 rounds? Early in the fight he just stood there, threw almost no strikes and laid on his back hoping Silva would jump into his guard when he was on his back.

      I do agree that Silva should have been trying to finish the fight. If that isn't your goal stepping into the octagon then you shouldn't be in there, but so many people are really overreacting to all of this, IMO.
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      • mgoblue
        Go Wings!
        • Jul 2002
        • 25477

        #288
        Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

        Originally posted by BlueNGold

        I do agree that Silva should have been trying to finish the fight. If that isn't your goal stepping into the octagon then you shouldn't be in there, but so many people are really overreacting to all of this, IMO.
        If this was a one time thing, I'd agree. But this is the 3rd straight fight Silva's clowned in.

        It's funny how Silva's going on about GSP and fighting Heavyweight, yet he's not putting the effort into finishing his current fights.
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        • WeLLWeLL
          MVP
          • Nov 2008
          • 2507

          #289
          Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

          Originally posted by BlueNGold
          See this is what I don't get. Everyone is loving Maia right now because "he tried to put on a show" but where was that effort in the first 2-3 rounds? Early in the fight he just stood there, threw almost no strikes and laid on his back hoping Silva would jump into his guard when he was on his back.

          I do agree that Silva should have been trying to finish the fight. If that isn't your goal stepping into the octagon then you shouldn't be in there, but so many people are really overreacting to all of this, IMO.
          Never said I was loving him or anything. Just saying that late in the fight there was one person trying to do something. Everyone has been saying that Maia stood no chance against Silva, so can you blame him for trying to feel the fight out early on? When you have a packed audience cheering Maia on, Dana White making his comments after the fight, and numerous other "overreactions", there is something wrong with that.

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          • TheShizNo1
            Asst 2 the Comm Manager
            • Mar 2007
            • 26341

            #290
            Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

            What I dont get is, who are you/we to say how a fighter should fight? he got to the top being a counter puncher, he should change now b/c you want to see ko's? I think he's smart, he has a fight won, why rush in and risk being caught by a lucky punch or possibly injury? i look at it like running the score up, if you dont like it, stop it. Im sorry, but if im in a fight and a guy is taunting like that and doing what he wants when he wants to me, im gonna say **** it and start swinging for the fences. maia chose to dance with him and get knocked down by flinches and the wind of silvas punches.
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            • The Chef
              Moderator
              • Sep 2003
              • 13684

              #291
              Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

              Thought this article nailed it spot on...

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              • aholbert32
                (aka Alberto)
                • Jul 2002
                • 33106

                #292
                Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

                Originally posted by TheShizNo1
                What I dont get is, who are you/we to say how a fighter should fight? he got to the top being a counter puncher, he should change now b/c you want to see ko's? I think he's smart, he has a fight won, why rush in and risk being caught by a lucky punch or possibly injury? i look at it like running the score up, if you dont like it, stop it. Im sorry, but if im in a fight and a guy is taunting like that and doing what he wants when he wants to me, im gonna say **** it and start swinging for the fences. maia chose to dance with him and get knocked down by flinches and the wind of silvas punches.
                You need to watch his earlier fights. He attacked in the Leben fight. He attacked in the first two Franklin fights. He attacked in the Lutter fight. He didnt get to the top as a counter puncher. He changed his style once his priority became keeping the belt and not taking risks.

                If you enjoy paying 60 bucks to watch someone never take risks, more power to you. I enjoy fighters who finish fights.

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                • aholbert32
                  (aka Alberto)
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 33106

                  #293
                  Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

                  Originally posted by BlueNGold
                  See this is what I don't get. Everyone is loving Maia right now because "he tried to put on a show" but where was that effort in the first 2-3 rounds? Early in the fight he just stood there, threw almost no strikes and laid on his back hoping Silva would jump into his guard when he was on his back.

                  I do agree that Silva should have been trying to finish the fight. If that isn't your goal stepping into the octagon then you shouldn't be in there, but so many people are really overreacting to all of this, IMO.
                  I dont know if I've read or heard anyone say Maia tried to put on a show. Maia didnt attack at all until Round 5. The difference is Maia had a reason for it. He isnt a striker and would have been destroyed if he tried to trade with Silva. Silva had no reason to lay back. He is a much better striker and Maia has no KO power.

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                  • mgoblue
                    Go Wings!
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 25477

                    #294
                    Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

                    Originally posted by aholbert32
                    You need to watch his earlier fights. He attacked in the Leben fight. He attacked in the first two Franklin fights. He attacked in the Lutter fight. He didnt get to the top as a counter puncher. He changed his style once his priority became keeping the belt and not taking risks.

                    If you enjoy paying 60 bucks to watch someone never take risks, more power to you. I enjoy fighters who finish fights.
                    Exactly. If fighters always took the easy way out then there wouldn't be anywhere near as much PPV money to pay them with...

                    If every fight was someone taking it easy like Silva no one would watch.
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                    • TheShizNo1
                      Asst 2 the Comm Manager
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 26341

                      #295
                      Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

                      Originally posted by aholbert32
                      You need to watch his earlier fights. He attacked in the Leben fight. He attacked in the first two Franklin fights. He attacked in the Lutter fight. He didnt get to the top as a counter puncher. He changed his style once his priority became keeping the belt and not taking risks.

                      If you enjoy paying 60 bucks to watch someone never take risks, more power to you. I enjoy fighters who finish fights.
                      I enjoy going to a sports bar and grill watching it for free. Or the price of my burger.

                      My mistake, you're right about his earlier matches. He had to win those matches. As champion, he just has to not lose. Idc, b/c what he does in his fights dont impact my life or my wallet. If someone lost a bet b/c they predicted a KO, I can understand then, but everyone else with this "outrage" is ridiculous. Bet you guys tune in to Silva's next fight. I'll also say his antics brought the PPV after math more pub than it had, had he woulda knocked him out.
                      Originally posted by Mo
                      Just once I'd like to be the one they call a jerk off.
                      Originally posted by Mo
                      You underestimate my laziness
                      Originally posted by Mo
                      **** ya


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                      • BlueNGold
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 21817

                        #296
                        Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

                        Originally posted by aholbert32
                        I dont know if I've read or heard anyone say Maia tried to put on a show. Maia didnt attack at all until Round 5. The difference is Maia had a reason for it. He isnt a striker and would have been destroyed if he tried to trade with Silva. Silva had no reason to lay back. He is a much better striker and Maia has no KO power.
                        I was quoting WeLLWeLL when he said "at least Maia tried to put on a show".

                        I understand Maia didn't have much of a chance standing with Anderson but when he's standing there taunting him, Maia's best attack was raising his hands in the air and doing the same thing. Also, by round 3 Maia should have realized that his weak takedown attempts weren't gonna fly and that he had to adapt to the fight and start throwing.

                        IMO this fight is just as much Maia's fault as it is Silva's. And if it wasn't for Anderson putting on a show in the first 2 rounds, this probably would have been the worst fight in UFC history.
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                        • mgoblue
                          Go Wings!
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 25477

                          #297
                          Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

                          Originally posted by TheShizNo1
                          I enjoy going to a sports bar and grill watching it for free. Or the price of my burger.

                          My mistake, you're right about his earlier matches. He had to win those matches. As champion, he just has to not lose. Idc, b/c what he does in his fights dont impact my life or my wallet. If someone lost a bet b/c they predicted a KO, I can understand then, but everyone else with this "outrage" is ridiculous. Bet you guys tune in to Silva's next fight. I'll also say his antics brought the PPV after math more pub than it had, had he woulda knocked him out.
                          Um, no...Dana White's threatening to put him on the undercard because fans are weary of seeing another "fighting not to lose" effort again....

                          I guess I just disagree and think that fighters should fight to win (not just to avoid losing). I think 99% of the UFC roster would agree with me as well.

                          It's not just my money (I usually watch at bars as well), but it's my time/enjoyment. I don't want to waste 45ish minutes of my life watching someone dance and "fight not to lose"...it's not enjoyable, I have better things to do with my time.

                          I don't know about the bar you watched in, but mine was pretty vocal and unhappy with how Silva was fighting. Didn't hear a single guy go "Wow, I love how he's dancing and not engaging, I can't wait to buy the next PPV"
                          Last edited by mgoblue; 04-11-2010, 01:43 PM.
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                          • TheShizNo1
                            Asst 2 the Comm Manager
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 26341

                            #298
                            Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

                            Originally posted by mgoblue
                            Um, no...Dana White's threatening to put him on the undercard because fans are weary of seeing another "fighting not to lose" effort again....

                            I guess I just disagree and think that fighters should fight to win (not just to avoid losing). I think 99% of the UFC roster would agree with me as well.

                            It's not just my money (I usually watch at bars as well), but it's my time/enjoyment. I don't want to waste 45ish minutes of my life watching someone dance and "fight not to lose"...it's not enjoyable, I have better things to do with my time.

                            I don't know about the bar you watched in, but mine was pretty vocal and unhappy with how Silva was fighting. Didn't hear a single guy go "Wow, I love how he's dancing and not engaging, I can't wait to buy the next PPV"
                            Just like Dana threatened a ban for any fighter being in a different MMA game?

                            That's one of my points, who are those fighters to tell the champion how to fight?

                            As far as the place I watched at, mostly everyone was laughing. Towards the end people were yelling knock it out. Not one person was saying he shouldnt be a main event or stripped of his title.
                            Originally posted by Mo
                            Just once I'd like to be the one they call a jerk off.
                            Originally posted by Mo
                            You underestimate my laziness
                            Originally posted by Mo
                            **** ya


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                            • aholbert32
                              (aka Alberto)
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 33106

                              #299
                              Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

                              Originally posted by TheShizNo1
                              I enjoy going to a sports bar and grill watching it for free. Or the price of my burger.

                              My mistake, you're right about his earlier matches. He had to win those matches. As champion, he just has to not lose. Idc, b/c what he does in his fights dont impact my life or my wallet. If someone lost a bet b/c they predicted a KO, I can understand then, but everyone else with this "outrage" is ridiculous. Bet you guys tune in to Silva's next fight. I'll also say his antics brought the PPV after math more pub than it had, had he woulda knocked him out.
                              Well most MMA fans do pay for PPVs one way or the other so they have every right to complain about someone who doesnt finish fights. Silva isnt fighting for free. When he does, he can run for 5 rounds for all I care.

                              This aftermath is an embarrassment to the UFC. Dana doesnt want this attention. He doesnt want people saying that the guy he has been promoting as the pound for pound best fighter in the world refuses to fight and is an embarrassment. Its silly to say that this bad pub is in some way good for the UFC.

                              I'm a MMA fan. I watch everything related to the sport so of course I will watch Silva's next fight. Will I pay for it? No. But I will watch. That doesnt even matter though. What matters is that non hardcore MMA fans will be hesitant to purchase a PPV headlined by Silva because of his last 3 main events.

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                              • mgoblue
                                Go Wings!
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 25477

                                #300
                                Re: UFC 112 1PM SPOILERS THREAD

                                Originally posted by TheShizNo1
                                Just like Dana threatened a ban for any fighter being in a different MMA game?

                                That's one of my points, who are those fighters to tell the champion how to fight?

                                As far as the place I watched at, mostly everyone was laughing. Towards the end people were yelling knock it out. Not one person was saying he shouldnt be a main event or stripped of his title.
                                I don't think he should be stripped of his title or anything like that, but I think he deserves every single bit of criticism.

                                If this was the first instance, I'd cut him some slack (as I did back the first time). But this is the third time.

                                It's hilarious how people here always whine about lay and pray boring wrestlers, but this is ok? Silva can decide not to compete for 3 rounds and get away with it?

                                Hell, a lay and pray guy at least tries and takes someone down...Silva did nothing for half the fight...
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