UFC 140 - Jones v. Machida- Dec. 10

[aholbert32]

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I disagree.

You have the title contender injured, and you've got arguably the 2nd best LHW in the world ready to fight. Who else do you propose gets the shot, someone who doesn't post a threat at all?

I dont know who would argue Machida is the #2 LHW in the world? The guy is 1-2 since 2009. He's arguably lost 3 of his last 4 fights. Evans is only out for 3 weeks. The ONLY reason Machida is getting a shot is because Dana needed a main event for 140 and wasnt happy with Mir/Nog 2.

Machida/Davis was going to headline 140 but Davis is still out. Dana could have made Nog/Mir 2 the main event (sucks for Toronto but its not like they didnt have a huge card in April) pushed Evans/Jones back to the Super Bowl weekend show and maybe co headlined that with Machida/Davis.

**** forget Hendo, I'd argue Rua deserves a shot over Machida. Rua fought Jones on short notice, destroyed Forrest and has arguably 2 wins over Machida.

[aholbert32]

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Bro you're repeating yourself. Clearly there is nobody in the division worthy outside of Henderson and Machida. I was simply saying that Hendo has a case as well.

Machida lost against Rua twice let's not forget that. Henderson could have been pulled from that fight against Rua, but would have been a headache.

Machida is clearly the choice and the best of all possible options.

Rashad Evans himself said he would have done what Dana did. So I'm all for this fight.

What about Rua?

[Sandman42]

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Fans want to see new matchups also. People have already seen Jones dominate Shogun. Sure Shogun may have not been in the best shape and was hurt, but the dude is always hurt. There's a greater than 50% chance he's going to be fighting with some sort of injury or something.

A lot of people on this forum and other sites felt like Machida gave the best matchup to Jones, just because its so tough to see how the fight plays out. And I wouldn't go so far as to say he doesn't deserve the shot, sure he controversially has gone 2-2 in his last 4, but he's still a top 5 LHW.

I'd say he deserves it more than Henderson. Henderson wasn't exactly a world beater while in the UFC. He goes to SF and then gets beat up by a welterweight and then beats up 2 over the hill fighters and Feijao. Not exactly the most quality wins. I'd like to see him win at least 1 in the UFC before he gets a title shot. If he can beat Shogun, then sure give him the next title shot after Evans.

[aholbert32]

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I'm not saying it wont be a good fight. I think it will. I just believe its a potentially slippery slope we go down if the sole reason title shots are given is because people think that someone has a better shot at beating the champion. Every current #1 contender has earned his shot by winning fights. Maynard, Condit, Okami, Rampage and Dos Santos have all worked their way up and won multiple fights to earn a shot.

Machida's won one in two years. This isnt boxing. In MMA, fighters work their way back to the top by winning fights. Anyway, doesnt matter what I think but calling Machida the #2 contender is absoluetly ridiculous imo.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Rua I would say no, simply because Bones already decimated him. Now Rua and Machida have arguably the same track record, so it comes down to the fact that Machida hasn't fought Bones yet.

I'm with Sandman's post as well, people want to see this match up.

[st67]

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I think but calling Machida the #2 contender is absoluetly ridiculous imo.

So Rua who was run over by Jones (everyone fights injured - EVERYONE) is the #2 contender? We should just keep running in circles doing rematches?

Rua lost and then won his last fight. Machida beat Rampage (but lost due to a stupid scoring system) and then won is his last fight. So they're both 1-1 in their last two fights. Why should Rua get the nod over Machida? We've seen Jones fight Rua and it wasn't pretty for Rua.

So who else is the #2 contender in the LHW division? Evans was #1 - tell me - who's number 2 if it's not Machida? Given then Rua was beaten badly and Jackson just lost. Who else in the LHW division is over Machida for that belt?

To say that's ridiculous is what's ridiculous. Yeah - Machida lost; everyone loses. He's still one of the absolute top LHW's in the world bar-none and he absolutely deserves this shot.

[aholbert32]

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So Rua who was run over by Jones (everyone fights injured - EVERYONE) is the #2 contender? We should just keep running in circles doing rematches?

Rua lost and then won his last fight. Machida beat Rampage (but lost due to a stupid scoring system) and then won is his last fight. So they're both 1-1 in their last two fights. Why should Rua get the nod over Machida? We've seen Jones fight Rua and it wasn't pretty for Rua.

So who else is the #2 contender in the LHW division? Evans was #1 - tell me - who's number 2 if it's not Machida? Given then Rua was beaten badly and Jackson just lost. Who else in the LHW division is over Machida for that belt?

To say that's ridiculous is what's ridiculous. Yeah - Machida lost; everyone loses. He's still one of the absolute top LHW's in the world bar-none and he absolutely deserves this shot.

Machida didn't beat Rampage. You think he won but the judges, Dana White and plenty others thought he lost.

Again, what are you basing your rankings on because its not wins and losses? Rua lost a title fight against Jones on short notice. He then destroyed Griffin (a former champion in his prime coming off two straight wins over Ortiz and Franklin). Since 2009, Machida got KO'd by Rua, lost to Rampage and beat Couture in his retirement fight. That makes you the #2 guy? I'm not talking about going around with rematches. The Rua fight may not be a popular one but his record shows he deserves another shot. Especially when he KO'd Machida.

Look at most reputable sites and the highest Machida is ranked is #5. Rua and Henderson are regularly ranked above him.

[goh]

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If you're going to use Shogun arguably beat Machida the first fight for Shogun's case then Machida arguably beating Rampage is good for his case. Mousasi would've been nice.

[aholbert32]

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If you're going to use Shogun arguably beat Machida the first fight for Shogun's case then Machida arguably beating Rampage is good for his case. Mousasi would've been nice.

I don't even need the first Shogun fight. I have the second one. He knocked him out. No one can deny that its extremely rare to see someone go 1-2 and almost 2 years and get a title shot.

[goh]

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Yes but the point was he's arguably 2-1. Though of course the best point is there really no one else to give it to with Hendo otherwise occupied and Jones not wanting to sit around to wait for Evans.

[TheWorldIsYours]

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In my opinion he lost the first fight with Shogun as well. But we have seen worse like Ken Shamrock and others. It's also an intriguing fight so I don't really have a problem with it.

[st67]

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It's also an intriguing fight so I don't really have a problem with it.

There's two people at LHW who I see having a chance to beat Jones - Machida and Evans.

Machida is far, far more interesting to watch and is far more tactical and has an amazing skill set.

Styles make fights - Rua's style just seems to trump Machida for whatever reason - but Machida's has trumped everyone else's.

This is really the fight I've wanted to see; more than Evans, even. Honestly, I'm not too interested in seeing Evans fight him. I kind of wonder if he ever will.

[redsrule]

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Yes but the point was he's arguably 2-1. Though of course the best point is there really no one else to give it to with Hendo otherwise occupied and Jones not wanting to sit around to wait for Evans.

arguably doesn't mean jack though.
I understand him getting the title shot with the circumstances, however.

[VanCitySportsGuy]

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I got the chance to meet Machida, Hominick, and MacDonald today. I was disappointed I didn't get to meet Jon Jones after he took off early to catch a flight to LA. There was about 15 people ahead of me before he took off. At the UFC Fan Expo, there was about 10 people ahead of me when he left.

Once again I have nothing bad to say about any of the UFC fighters. All of them were friendly. I asked MacDonald if he would be willing to fight GSP if the belt was on the line and he said no.

[LingeringRegime]

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