UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

[Sandman42]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

The only times Condit ran away were when he got backed into the corner. Otherwise he stood and traded with Diaz, but he kept distance by using his reach and landing with kicks.

If you're going to complain that he ran away when he got stuck in the corner, then I don't know what to say to you. Would you rather he stand there and take punishment alongside the cage? Diaz should have tried to cut him off once they got up against the cage.

[goh]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

Nice show Mr. Condit.

I couldn't get intrested in the other fights but ups to Roy. Can't believe he wasn't finished.

[p_rushing]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

The press conference is going to be a mess lol

Will he even show up? I'm sure someone is trying to get him to actually go. If he does show up and Condit doesn't take the diplomatic way, I could see Diaz trying to go after him.

[Sandman42]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

I thought tonight's was pretty good. Certainly not the best, but far from boring, IMO.

Yeah I thought it was a good card. The prelims were exciting with some good finishes.

The last 4 all went to decision, but they were competitive and I didn't find them boring. I see everyone hating on the Pierce/Koscheck fight, but I thought that was a good, close fight.

[p_rushing]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

If you're going to complain that he ran away when he got stuck in the corner, then I don't know what to say to you. Would you rather he stand there and take punishment alongside the cage? Diaz should have tried to cut him off once they got up against the cage.

Yep Diaz finally faced someone with equal reach to him and he couldn't fight his normal way. He does the exact same thing to other people that Condit did to him. Uses his reach to stay out of harms way and punch and kick them.

[st67]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

Is the post fight conference even going to start? It's taking forever.

[allBthere]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

The only times Condit ran away were when he got backed into the corner. Otherwise he stood and traded with Diaz, but he kept distance by using his reach and landing with kicks.

If you're going to complain that he ran away when he got stuck in the corner, then I don't know what to say to you. Would you rather he stand there and take punishment alongside the cage? Diaz should have tried to cut him off once they got up against the cage.

it was point fighting. The rules of MMA are not designed to allow fighters to outpoint one another to to facilitate fair fighting. The danger in fights like this and Edgar vs Penn is that it takes the sport away from fighting and pulls it towards winning on points. Yes it's a sport, but the name of the game is FIGHTING aka beating your opponent. Condit was not in there tonight to beat the crap out of Diaz, but instead to earn a point victory. That type of fight takes away from the magic of MMA imo. After the fight Diaz was none the worse for wear, meanwhile even though as I said Georges gets a lot of flack for not finishing, it's not because he's not trying to, it's because he doesn't have the big punching power and so on, he's always so apologetic about not finishing and is disappointed in his wins, while Condit was solely happy with winning on points.

There is a big difference there. Just because it's a sport doesn't mean it isn't a fight.

[Fiasco West]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

For me each time they did trade blows Condit won. Just looking at Nick's face compared to Condit's tells the story. Diaz was pressing the action but you can't blame condit for not just wanting to stand in one place and get hit.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

He's just gonna end up crucifying himself even further.

I'm torn on the guy, on one hand he's a douchebag/crybaby/quitter/disrespectful looney, on the other I love the way the guy fights.

[blackceasar]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

What I like and respect about Diaz though is his fights are not boring, and if he happens to be in a fight that turns out to be on the boring side, it's usually not his fault.

This is what we have to look forward to in November. Another boring GSP fight where Condit will either A: run or B: be a little more agressive because GSP doesnt have a super agressive style in the stand up. This is my prediction. Condit wastes rounds trying to figure GSP out. GSP takes him down about 12 times during the fight. Goes to the cards. GSP wins another boring 5 rounder title fight.

The reason why everyone wanted to see Diaz vs GSP because Diaz probably would have been the first person in a long time to step into the ring with GSP and not be in "awe" or intimidated by him and his stature in the UFC. Diaz would have pushed the issue. He probably would have tagged GSP actually quite often that is when GSP wasnt taking him down (which would probably be a lot). My prediction would be GSP beats Diaz as well, BUT not without getting some lumps and the fight would actually be somewhat exciting.

There is A LOT of time between this fight and a Nov GSP fight. Dana might very well have a Diaz Condit II.

I dunno, yes Condit won, and yes I think it was closer than that one judge had it but this is why you never leave it up to the judges. All in all though, Condit just doesnt really excite me anymore.

At least the Heavyweights are going to get interesting again as I predicted months ago, the strikeforce heavyweights will walk into the UFC and take over that Division. Overeem, Werdum, Fedor, Bigfoot, etc these dudes as a whole are in my opinion just better heavyweights than Dos Santos, Lesnar, Carwin, etc. This is why, those Strikeforce heavyweights each are super skilled in a real martial art. Werdum is a heavyweight that fights like an actual BJJ blackbelt and a Mua Tia black belt. Overeem is a beast and is actually a great Mua Tai fighter. Fedor if u can get past that he's an undersized heavyweight is still in another class than the UFC heavyweights of the past 3-4 years.

Im glad strikeforce figthers in general are showing up more in the UFC now. To me Strikeforce has been a more exciting company. Sure they got bought out. Sure they were not as big and popular to the general public as the UFC but those fights over there just seemed to be more entertaining. I think some of the UFC fighters outside of people who just happen to be REALLY special (Anderson Silva, etc) have gotten a little comfy and spoiled.

I still believe if Dana had them re-match before the GSP fight, I think Diaz beats Condit. I think Diaz goes for broke, something he didnt do this fight and I dont think Condit can actually handle a Diaz gone wild.

[nyj721]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

Condit had a good gameplan for sure, but I sure as hell didn't enjoy watching it.
Pierce got robbed. I didn't think that fight was that bad though.
Big Country needs to go ahead and retire.
I missed the prelims so I can't comment on those, but for whatever reason I just wasn't entertained by this card at all.

[jeremym480]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

I'd say the surprise of the night for me was Werdum's stand up. Where the hell did that come from?

Just a few quick notes:

Stephen Thompson - Holy ****. Can't wait to see more from him.

I'm not a fan of Bruce Lee Roy. However, I don't agree with 2 points being taken away. 1? Sure. But, 2 was a bit over the top, in my opinion. In all the MMA that I've watched I can't recall ever seeing that before.

Ed Herman is 3-0 since returning from injury (all in fairly impressive fashion). Again, I'm not a fan of his either, but I think it's time for him to get a step up in competition.

Koscheck vs. Pierce was close. Josh had one more takedown, but didn't do anything with it. Then again neither did Pierce. I need to watch it again, but I wouldn't have been surprised to see it go the other way.

I already said my piece about Werdum, as for Roy, he still needs to work on his cardio. His punches are too slow and he telegraphs them too much when he gets tired. He does have a hell of a chin though, in case you guys didn't hear.

I was worried that the judges would favor Diaz simply because he had "octagon control". I'm glad that they scored it the way the did because how could you have control when you get out struck and out worked?

Now we wait for the press conference.

[Sandman42]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

I still feel like Condit has a better chance at beating GSP than Diaz does. Both guys are better on the feet than GSP, but Condit has more KO power.

Both Diaz and Condit will get put on their back against GSP, so having that power that can put GSP in trouble is going to be the most important factor. Diaz would have to land one of his crazy volleys to damage GSP, and GSP might put him on his back before he can get off his strikes.

I still want to see both of them vs. GSP, but I feel like Condit has the better shot of winning.

[k_mac]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

I still believe if Dana had them re-match before the GSP fight, I think Diaz beats Condit. I think Diaz goes for broke, something he didnt do this fight and I dont think Condit can actually handle a Diaz gone wild.

I don't see Diaz/Condit II happening between now and November or whenever GSP is ready. A fight with Ellenberger would make more sense.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

Werdum seemed like he outstruck Reem.

Also, Diaz on his back seems much more potential for Diaz than Condit to be successful...

From what I saw tonight I don't think it would tell the story much of a Diaz/GSP fight nor a GSP/Condit fight