UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

[blackceasar]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

Oh cool. Didn't know you knew Condit on a personal level.

Whatever. Condit looked like he wanted a date with GSP. If youre a Condit fan, then whatever. I'm just saying that some fighters walk into the ring and look at the champ as just some other dude. Hence the Sonnen/Silva fight. I dont even like Chael but Chael that whole fight just in some ways had no respect for Silva. He was just one of two men in the ring.

I think Diaz has that same persona as Chael. Its a healthy disrespect for someone thats a "superstar" in the sport.

[Dog]

I hope Dana White tells Diaz that since he said he was retiring, the only way he'll be aloud to fight in the UFC again is if he does a hell in a cell match with the Undertaker in his prime

Sent from Dog World

[Pappy Knuckles]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

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Lol @ the part about Goldberg around 4:22. I want to know why this man was running around backstage with his shirt off.

[Mossfan8480]

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Lol @ the part about Goldberg around 4:22. I want to know why this man was running around backstage with his shirt off.

LOL, I watched this interview on Fuel last night and don't recall that happening with Mike Goldberg. I wonder if they edited it out of the Fuel broadcast, or if I just some how missed it.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Lol @ the part about Goldberg around 4:22. I want to know why this man was running around backstage with his shirt off.

Wait what? Dana thought Diaz won one and two but lost the last three? Diaz lost round 5?

How many of you others think Diaz lost the 5th?

[TheShizNo1]

Wait what? Dana thought Diaz won one and two but lost the last three? Diaz lost round 5?

How many of you others think Diaz lost the 5th?

I don't even know why we try and understand judging anymore. I don't expect it to be perfect, but jeez. And I know I Dana isn't a judge and it's subjective.

[aholbert32]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

I don't even know why we try and understand judging anymore. I don't expect it to be perfect, but jeez. And I know I Dana isn't a judge and it's subjective.

If you don't give Diaz a ton of credit for the last minute of the fifth, I could see how someone could argue Condit won the 5th. Diaz took his back and went for subs for the last minute but he landed nothing in the first 4 minutes of that round.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Yeah I agree with you both.

In my eyes I had Diaz with the first two, possibly the third and I do give Diaz credit for his work in the 5th. So I had Nick winning slightly.

At the same time obviously Carlos did much more damage so nobody can be mad with the result.

I would try to watch the fight again to see if I still agree with my assessment but it wasn't very entertaining.

[VanCitySportsGuy]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

I had Condit winning Rounds 3,4, and 5. When Diaz got that takedown late in the 5th round, I was worried they would give it to Diaz since most judges over value takedowns.

I don't like the fact Condit said he's probably going to wait for GSP for his next fight. That would mean a healthy Condit would go roughly 7 and 9 months between his last fights. I don't want go on another inactive fighter rant... but arghhh. At the press conference last night Poirier said he would be open to fighting quickly again although he would prefer more time off to improve his game. When fighting is your full-time job, why in the world would you want to go 5+ months between fights? The lack of hunger from a lot of fighters is playing a part in watered down cards and even a cancellation of a PPV in March.

It's rare that UFC puts out 2 cards in a row that don't deliver but that's what happened.

[aholbert32]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

Yeah I agree with you both.

In my eyes I had Diaz with the first two, possibly the third and I do give Diaz credit for his work in the 5th. So I had Nick winning slightly.

At the same time obviously Carlos did much more damage so nobody can be mad with the result.

I would try to watch the fight again to see if I still agree with my assessment but it wasn't very entertaining.

I actually found the fight entertaining. Was it Silva/Lidell or Rua/Henderson? No but I loved watching Condit's game plan and it isn't like Carlos wasn't constantly throwing strikes.

Also for everyone who believes that Diaz thought that he was winning this fight....watch rounds 4 and 5. Diaz realized that his game plan wasn't working after round 3 and mid way through 4 decided to try for takedowns. I haven't seen Diaz shoot for takedowns since he left the UFC years ago. If he felt he was winning he would've just kept striking.

[aholbert32]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

I had Condit winning Rounds 3,4, and 5. When Diaz got that takedown late in the 5th round, I was worried they would give it to Diaz since most judges over value takedowns.

I don't like the fact Condit said he's probably going to wait for GSP for his next fight. That would mean a healthy Condit would go roughly 7 and 9 months between his last fights. I don't want go on another inactive fighter rant... but arghhh. At the press conference last night Poirier said he would be open to fighting quickly again although he would prefer more time off to improve his game. When fighting is your full-time job, why in the world would you want to go 5+ months between fights? The lack of hunger from a lot of fighters is playing a part in watered down cards and even a cancellation of a PPV in March.

It's rare that UFC puts out 2 cards in a row that don't deliver but that's what happened.

In Porier's defense, he was responding to fighting at the Atlanta card. That would only give him a little over two months between fights. Also that card is pretty much packed. They need a co-main event and then the card has 12 fights.

[VanCitySportsGuy]

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In Porier's defense, he was responding to fighting at the Atlanta card. That would only give him a little over two months between fights. Also that card is pretty much packed. They need a co-main event and then the card has 12 fights.

I found it strange how Porier basically said he wants to train without having a fight lined up because when he does, he goes in kill mode. When you're a fighter, you have a short window to make as much money as possible.

The 145 Main Event is so big I wouldn't be surprised if they don't add a true co-main event like UFC 124.

[thorne666]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

it was point fighting. The rules of MMA are not designed to allow fighters to outpoint one another to to facilitate fair fighting. The danger in fights like this and Edgar vs Penn is that it takes the sport away from fighting and pulls it towards winning on points. Yes it's a sport, but the name of the game is FIGHTING aka beating your opponent. Condit was not in there tonight to beat the crap out of Diaz, but instead to earn a point victory. That type of fight takes away from the magic of MMA imo. After the fight Diaz was none the worse for wear, meanwhile even though as I said Georges gets a lot of flack for not finishing, it's not because he's not trying to, it's because he doesn't have the big punching power and so on, he's always so apologetic about not finishing and is disappointed in his wins, while Condit was solely happy with winning on points.

There is a big difference there. Just because it's a sport doesn't mean it isn't a fight.

^ this all day.

I say you automatically give points to your opponent when you show that you can not contend with certain aspects of their game by 1) running and evading the entire fight as Condit did or 2) smothering the action with wrestling. It is pretty interesting that nearly all of g. Jackson's guys employ this tactic.
If you want to call it defensive fighting, that is your right. But there will always be this contention when fights are won in this way.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

I actually found the fight entertaining. Was it Silva/Lidell or Rua/Henderson? No but I loved watching Condit's game plan and it isn't like Carlos wasn't constantly throwing strikes.

Also for everyone who believes that Diaz thought that he was winning this fight....watch rounds 4 and 5. Diaz realized that his game plan wasn't working after round 3 and mid way through 4 decided to try for takedowns. I haven't seen Diaz shoot for takedowns since he left the UFC years ago. If he felt he was winning he would've just kept striking.

Nick definitely started to change his plan of attack in the fourth and fifth. He got tagged on a kick and I think his body language took a dip.

As far as entertainment, I could not have been more shocked at the lack of exchanges.

[aholbert32]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

^ this all day.

I say you automatically give points to your opponent when you show that you can not contend with certain aspects of their game by 1) running and evading the entire fight as Condit did or 2) smothering the action with wrestling. It is pretty interesting that nearly all of g. Jackson's guys employ this tactic.
If you want to call it defensive fighting, that is your right. But there will always be this contention when fights are won in this way.

Completely disagree. One Jackson's fighters actually don't do this. Jones finishes fights. Condit finished fights before last night's fight. Cerrone. Garcia. Even with GSP, that **** is overrated. I wish the ref or doctor would've stopped the Koscheck fight (which they should've of) so people would stop this GSP doesn't ever finish fights nonsense.

If anything Jackson watched his boy Cerrone get destroyed by the Diaz boxing style and knew the same style would kill Condit. Its a game plan and it worked well.

I want MMA fans to mature to the point where every fight doesn't have to be two guys standing in the cage and just punching each other. You can be an action fighter and still stick and move. Everybody talks about Diaz's boxing skills but Condit's movement and striking was more reminiscent of true boxing imo.