UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

[TheShizNo1]

You can't force them to fight. Also you will start to have fighters faking injuries to avoid fighting when they don't want to.

I'm ignorant to this. I mean, if they're under contract w/ the UFC: couldn't they have contracts now that say you must fight "X" amount of times in a year. If not, you have to show evidence (MRI/X-ray) of why you can't fight. I'm just wondering the reasons this can't happen.

[aholbert32]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

I'm ignorant to this. I mean, if they're under contract w/ the UFC: couldn't they have contracts now that say you must fight "X" amount of times in a year. If not, you have to show evidence (MRI/X-ray) of why you can't fight. I'm just wondering the reasons this can't happen.

It doesnt make practical sense. One, most fighters arent just sitting on their *** and content with fighting 2 times a year. The only time that occurs is if an injury takes place (Silva, GSP) or circumstances make it so that it doesnt benefit them to fight immediately (Henderson right now, Condit before he accepted the rematch, Evans when he was waiting for Rua to fight). Most fighters fight when healthy because they need the money. Even guys like Dustin Porier (who didnt want to fight 2 months after UFC 143) will fight 3 times this year if he remains healthy. I honestly cant think of many healthy fighters besides GSP who only fight 2 times a year. ****, the only reason Jones fought 4 last year was because he took the Rua fight on 6 weeks notice.

Two, lets say you have Anderson Silva or Brock Lesnar and they say I only want to fight 2 times in 2012 but their contract states that they have to fight 3. What can you do about it? First option is you could release them from their contract but what promoter would actually do that. You would lose your biggest draw or the pound for pound best fighter in the world because they wanted to fight one less fight than the contract stated they would?

Finally, its not like these guys are on guaranteed contracts like other athletes. If an NBA player refuses to play in a game without an injury reason, the team can attempt to void the contact because the player is receiving guaranteed money. The UFC isnt structured like that. Fighters get paid to show and to win. If they dont fight, they dont get paid. So there is no need force fighters to fight a certain number of times a year.

I was one of the main ones saying Ellenberger should face Condit if he beats Diego and GSP cant come back in the fall. I understand though that this makes no sense financially for the UFC and why Dana was fine with Condit or Diaz waiting for GSP. If Diaz wouldve won and faced GSP, that is a million buy PPV. Why would u risk that just so that Ellenberger (a guy only the hardcores know) can get a title shot and have a reasonable shot at beating Diaz. Ellenberger/Diaz and Ellenberger/GSP are not million buy PPVs. Same goes for Condit.

[TheShizNo1]

All good points and make sense. Just get annoyed w/ fighters who barely seem to fight.

[p_rushing]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

Ariel Helwani @arielhelwani
@kennyflorian said that after 143, GSP told him he wants to fight Diaz so badly that he would be willing to give up his title. #ufctonight

GSP wants him a piece of Diaz.

I wondered if he would be willing to do that after the fight.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

Seems like some sort of fix is in to get Diaz/GSP, but there's no doubt in my mind that it was a close fight and that it could have gone to Condit or Diaz.

I agree with Matt in the point where if Diaz had won the razor close decision would they have given Condit a rematch? I somehow doubt it.

On the other hand, Condit needs to defend the belt and Diaz would have had to defend it as well. So out of Diego/Ellenberger or Diaz? It isn't that outrageous to have Diaz/Condit II.

But no doubt, it all seems a bit off. Just have to accept these things..

Sometimes these things happen in MMA *Gus Johnson voice

Edit: Apparently it's not gonna happen... reading tweets

[bigbob]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

About 10 minutes ago, MMA Junkie posted that now the Diaz Camp has confirmed there is no rematch in place.

Almost as soon as it seemed a reality, a rematch between Nick Diaz and Carlos Condit is not happening.

When contacted today by MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com), Diaz manager Cesar Gracie said "no" when asked if a rematch recently announced is a reality. He declined further comment.

[Phobia]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

I agree with Matt. Condit is my favorite fighter, so I hold some bias with my opinion. But I feel as if Condit won fair and square so he should have the shot at GSP. Diaz while I love his "antics" and "talking ****" during a fight, because it brings a unique flavor quality to watching him fight. Similar to how Ali used to run his mouth and get in people heads. Diaz is similar in that regard.

What I disagree with him getting a rematch. I don't know if it is the UFC worried he might "take his ball and go home" if he has to step down to fighting lower tier guys again. He is very vocal about feeling as if he has been looked over again and again for a title shot. But I think if the UFC folds just to appease him with a possible title chance again dangled in front his face with a rematch with Condit, I feel that is chicken ****. If Diaz wants a title shot he should of won, shouldn't of let it go to the score cards.

Another thing that I can't stand is the belt holders sitting back not fighting for year or so. This needs to be fixed, people are vocal about it looking bad. I don't want to watch GSP or any "greatest in the world" fighters, only fight once a year. So we see a title defense once a year? Hell GSP has not fought since April, 2011. We are closing in on a year with ZERO WW championship bouts. Now there is talk he won't be back till NOVEMBER!!! That is close to 20 months without a title defense! Just completely stupid in my opinion.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

I agree with Matt. Condit is my favorite fighter, so I hold some bias with my opinion. But I feel as if Condit won fair and square so he should have the shot at GSP. Diaz while I love his "antics" and "talking ****" during a fight, because it brings a unique flavor quality to watching him fight. Similar to how Ali used to run his mouth and get in people heads. Diaz is similar in that regard.

What I disagree with him getting a rematch. I don't know if it is the UFC worried he might "take his ball and go home" if he has to step down to fighting lower tier guys again. He is very vocal about feeling as if he has been looked over again and again for a title shot. But I think if the UFC folds just to appease him with a possible title chance again dangled in front his face with a rematch with Condit, I feel that is chicken ****. If Diaz wants a title shot he should of won, shouldn't of let it go to the score cards.

Another thing that I can't stand is the belt holders sitting back not fighting for year or so. This needs to be fixed, people are vocal about it looking bad. I don't want to watch GSP or any "greatest in the world" fighters, only fight once a year. So we see a title defense once a year? Hell GSP has not fought since April, 2011. We are closing in on a year with ZERO WW championship bouts. Now there is talk he won't be back till NOVEMBER!!! That is close to 20 months without a title defense! Just completely stupid in my opinion.

It's funny that you say Condit should wait for GSP and then close with the last paragraph

No hate, but Condit needs to defend the belt at least once if GSP is gonna be out that long (9 or 10 months). It should be either Ellenberger if he wins, or Diaz.

[Gotmadskillzson]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

It is all about the money. Truth be told, Diaz vs GSP would be a huge money maker for the UFC, just like Jake Shields vs GSP was. Everybody wants to see a UFC Champion fight against an ex champion from another organization.

But hey injuries happen. Nothing against Condit, but his name just don't hold the same weight as Diaz name does. At the end of the day, the UFC is a business after all and more popular fighters will always get first choice over people who isn't as well known.

UFC will always go with the more popular fighter until his buying power disappears. They did it with that mexican dude years ago, forgot his name but he lost in a few in a row and he isn't even in the UFC anymore, they did it with David Terrell, David Losieau, Heath Herring and so on.

[Phobia]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

It's funny that you say Condit should wait for GSP and then close with the last paragraph

No hate, but Condit needs to defend the belt at least once if GSP is gonna be out that long (9 or 10 months). It should be either Ellenberger if he wins, or Diaz.

True, but that shows why it is messed up. Why should GSP be able to sit back and fight once in 20 months. Where Condit or whoever else has to continue to fight JUST to have a shot at GSP. It is not fair for the guys who don't hold the belt and are #2 or #3 behind the belt holder. Now they are forced to risk losing the chance at the belt or getting injured themselves because the real belt holder can't (or won't) fight.

Not fair at all. But if that is the game the UFC wants to allow them hell yea sit out and wait. Watch how pissed fans get and maybe the UFC will do something to change this.

[aholbert32]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

True, but that shows why it is messed up. Why should GSP be able to sit back and fight once in 20 months. Where Condit or whoever else has to continue to fight JUST to have a shot at GSP. It is not fair for the guys who don't hold the belt and are #2 or #3 behind the belt holder. Now they are forced to risk losing the chance at the belt or getting injured themselves because the real belt holder can't (or won't) fight.

Not fair at all. But if that is the game the UFC wants to allow them hell yea sit out and wait. Watch how pissed fans get and maybe the UFC will do something to change this.

Huh? When has GSP just been "sitting back"? He's had two knee injuries since the Shields fight. Even in 2010, the only reason he only fought twice was because Dana wanted him for the Ultimate Fighter before the Koscheck fight.

I wrote a post about this earlier but I'll ask it again: What fighters are just sitting on their *** and not fighting?

The only reason why people are sitting out is because of injuries or circumstance (in rare cases like Evans or Henderson). Also the point of having an interim champion is that he will defend the belt while the true champion is injured. If it was just to name a number #1 contender they could do without awarding him a belt.

[mgoblue]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

Huh? When has GSP just been "sitting back"? He's had two knee injuries since the Shields fight. Even in 2010, the only reason he only fought twice was because Dana wanted him for the Ultimate Fighter before the Koscheck fight.

I wrote a post about this earlier but I'll ask it again: What fighters are just sitting on their *** and not fighting?

The only reason why people are sitting out is because of injuries or circumstance (in rare cases like Evans or Henderson). Also the point of having an interim champion is that he will defend the belt while the true champion is injured. If it was just to name a number #1 contender they could do without awarding him a belt.

I agree. People have to realize that GSP himself HATES having these long layoffs due to injury or TUF coaching. Fighters want to fight, none of these guys are ducking ala Pacman/Floyd (I don't have a clue what's going on there lol)

[k_mac]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

Everybody wants to see a UFC Champion fight against an ex champion from another organization.

Condit was the WEC champ for quite some time before stepping up to the UFC.

But anyways, Diaz has had many opportunities to fight for a title, he just hasn't taken advantage of them. All he needed to do was win and before that all he needed to do was show up to a press conference. I don't know why the Condit-GSP fight isn't as popular. I like Condit, and I think him vs St. Pierre is going to be a hell of a fight.

[Gotmadskillzson]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

Condit was the WEC champ for quite some time before stepping up to the UFC.

But anyways, Diaz has had many opportunities to fight for a title, he just hasn't taken advantage of them. All he needed to do was win and before that all he needed to do was show up to a press conference. I don't know why the Condit-GSP fight isn't as popular. I like Condit, and I think him vs St. Pierre is going to be a hell of a fight.

True he was.......however his first few fights in the UFC was lack luster. So that kind of put him back of the pack. He is just now fighting at the level he was when was in the WEC.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

Condit was the WEC champ for quite some time before stepping up to the UFC.

But anyways, Diaz has had many opportunities to fight for a title, he just hasn't taken advantage of them. All he needed to do was win and before that all he needed to do was show up to a press conference. I don't know why the Condit-GSP fight isn't as popular. I like Condit, and I think him vs St. Pierre is going to be a hell of a fight.

It all comes back to the fact that Condit will probably be pressured into defending his title once before GSP can get healthy.

Therefore Diaz comes back into the picture, like it or not it makes a bit of sense.